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KingCharlemagne

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12. Bear with me for just a moment. Let's say you're a Sunni Iraqi. You've been caught up in a U.S.

Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:18 PM

Dec 2014

sweep of Anbar province along with your children. You're being held in a prison like Abu Ghraib staffed with U.S. military personnel. You're interrogated by someone speaking American, British or Israeli-accented English who demands you give up the members of the resistance. You refuse and may even undergo some torture. But still you refuse. And then your kids are brought into the room and sodomized in front of you by one or more of those same 'interrogators'.

At that point, 'mercenary' vs. U.S. Armed Forces seems like the proverbial 'distinction without a difference,' at least as far as retaliation goes.

I won't go so far as to say that America 'deserves' to be massively attacked. But if Bush and Cheney are not arrested and put on trial, then I may have to reconsider that position.

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The Most Gruesome Moments in the CIA �Torture Report� -- Trevor Trimm [View all] nashville_brook Dec 2014 OP

Well, the sadists..er...patriots..were under a lot of stress. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #1

Is it ok to use Nazi comparisons yet? L0oniX Dec 2014 #2

Versch�rfte Vernehmung NuclearDem Dec 2014 #3

this might actually transcend Nazi torture given the privatization of it. nashville_brook Dec 2014 #6

I'd say they are fair game hifiguy Dec 2014 #38

YES! n/t deafskeptic Dec 2014 #69

I have never said this before but today I am absolutely 100% ashamed to be an American. liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #4

Rest Assured.. JawJaw Dec 2014 #15

I sure hope so, JawJaw. Some of us tried very hard calimary Dec 2014 #50

liberal_at_heart Diclotican Dec 2014 #29

Most religions kill in the name of God. randome Dec 2014 #37

Remember when these moments were shrugged off as "college fraternity pranks?" KansDem Dec 2014 #5

Yeah ...it's just another form of hazing. L0oniX Dec 2014 #8

Sometimes in my darker moments I wish I was wrong and there is a hell. zeemike Dec 2014 #17

My response would be - okay then... calimary Dec 2014 #49

Lies my ass underpants Dec 2014 #7

He just said as much on the t.v. machine. He and Bush both knew everything. shraby Dec 2014 #10

It was his idea. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #20

Knew! It wouldn't surprise me if he actually got his hands dirty. A Simple Game Dec 2014 #65

Oh, yeah, let's not forget the Iraqi children sodomized in front KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #9

the report covers how private "contractors" were used to supposedly inoculate US nashville_brook Dec 2014 #11

Bear with me for just a moment. Let's say you're a Sunni Iraqi. You've been caught up in a U.S. KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #12

only threats of rape? The sexual assaults seemed pretty pervasive in earlier reports. yurbud Dec 2014 #13

I remember and were there any women held? nt Mojorabbit Dec 2014 #68

women and children were reportedly raped yurbud Dec 2014 #70

Breaking! Republicans to release own "report" pulled out of the ass of Roger Ailes....yuck.... Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #14

C'mon....we KNEW what they covered up was much worse than what the admitted. dixiegrrrrl Dec 2014 #16

Exactly. To those who still can't quite figure out calimary Dec 2014 #34

At least Obama finally let the report out vlyons Dec 2014 #18

WH wanted to wait for GOP Senate so it wouldn't come out. harun Dec 2014 #23

All this stuff in this report 2naSalit Dec 2014 #32

Ever break a leg? The pain is bad enough without being forced to stand. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #19

that actually leapt out at me. to say nothing of the likelihood of death from infection. nashville_brook Dec 2014 #27

K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Dec 2014 #21

I feel physically sick. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #22

Actually... 2naSalit Dec 2014 #33

Our propaganda machine MsLeopard Dec 2014 #39

Herr Doktor Goebbels, hifiguy Dec 2014 #48

+100000000 woo me with science Dec 2014 #73

We're there Alittleliberal Dec 2014 #55

awwww heaven05 Dec 2014 #24

........ daleanime Dec 2014 #25

***graphic pic*** trusty elf Dec 2014 #26

Yea, that sure looks like what a "shining city on a hill" does hifiguy Dec 2014 #44

The horror. Alkene Dec 2014 #28

The Most Gruesome Moments in the CIA �Torture Report� -- Trevor Trimm The CCC Dec 2014 #30

Nope. And never, hifiguy Dec 2014 #45

This is sickening. calimary Dec 2014 #31

"What little I have to be proud of... 2naSalit Dec 2014 #35

Stuff like this passes by my anti-death penalty stance Scootaloo Dec 2014 #36

death is too easy an out vlyons Dec 2014 #42

We'll have to disagree, i'm afraid Scootaloo Dec 2014 #47

Same for me. hifiguy Dec 2014 #46

i have been bitching about this to a moderate R epal. GW1 vet, 'oh, it's just HAZING'. pansypoo53219 Dec 2014 #40

God damn it. The shrinks thing wasn't just a rumor. Recursion Dec 2014 #41

What happaned to first do no harm Alittleliberal Dec 2014 #57

Some of this was classic stuff used in the Old South to punish slaves. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #43

NAZI, too. Octafish Dec 2014 #53

One of the things I would ask a hard core RW idiot during the time of defending torture was,... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #64

Ve haff vaze uff mekkink zhu tokk! Octafish Dec 2014 #66

This is what we did in IRAQ, a nation that never has harmed the United States. Octafish Dec 2014 #51

What about lies FROM the "president"? calimary Dec 2014 #52

K&R Solly Mack Dec 2014 #54

K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2014 #56

I honestly don't think there is a word for how horrified I am. Pacifist Patriot Dec 2014 #58

The Agency is stupid wingzeroday Dec 2014 #59

Sexual Assault by Interrogators Octafish Dec 2014 #60

K&R. Never again. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #61

Congratulations, Dubya! You broke every law, rule, or code there ever was! Major Hogwash Dec 2014 #62

Sick. Fucks. Blue Owl Dec 2014 #63

Evil. Pure and adulterated. n/t DirkGently Dec 2014 #67

Does it mention the guy who was cut with razors, including on his penis on a regular basis? yurbud Dec 2014 #71

And this is the whitewashed, redacted version. woo me with science Dec 2014 #72

I am completely disgusted by this. City Lights Dec 2014 #74