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106. Senator Sanders in the primary race will make SoS Clinton a better Democratic candidate.

Wed Dec 10, 2014, 02:54 PM

Dec 2014

But that's as far as he'll be able to go. He just doesn't have the infrastructure in place, and with Citizens United still the law, he'll have a hard time beating the Koch Party Machine.

However, he'll ensure that SoS Clinton doesn't veer off to the (always wrong) Right if she's inclined to (which I'm not sure she is). I believe SoS Clinton is more progressive than many are giving her credit for. She also knows how to run a campaign (what to watch out for), and she has a formidable campaign machine, name-recognition, and the 22 million jobs, Justices Bader-Ginsberg and Breyer, and excellent economic track record that her husband had left for us when he exited the White House. Although she might be inclined not to run on those huge successes, she should. No one believes she didn't have anything to do with it.

Finally, I don't believe there's a single Republican capable of beating her. I'm not a huge SoS Clinton fan, but she is a powerful force for our side and I will gladly cast my vote for her should she win the Democratic nomination in 2016.

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I�m Ready for Hillary.... By HOWARD DEAN... December 10, 2014 [View all] msanthrope Dec 2014 OP

Good for him! I'm ready for Bernie myself! Autumn Dec 2014 #1

Bernie is doing a great job with his non-running. As I noted yesterday, his waiting on an msanthrope Dec 2014 #4

Perhaps it's not *quite* the time to announce? Lugano Dec 2014 #8

Oh dear lord...how is he going to get the Democratic nomination when he's not a Democrat? msanthrope Dec 2014 #10

Really? Bernie has already *INDICATED* that he will switch and run Lugano Dec 2014 #18

Oh lordy...hiring Tad isn't going to make him a Democrat. Tell me...what is Bernie msanthrope Dec 2014 #22

That's for Bernie to do... Lugano Dec 2014 #25

and the REAL question they cannot answer with a straight face....WHY Bernie needs to become VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #127

not to win, to be part of the line up and bring up the important issues LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #137

Actually, you are partly right, it is to bring up the issues that most candidates try to evade, but still_one Dec 2014 #202

He needs their money....he cannot raise enough on his own... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #206

NOOOOO....if all that were true...he wouldn't have to....he wouldn't need them....but he does.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #205

Because for better or worse the country is run by two parties, and at least today, someone running still_one Dec 2014 #201

I'm sure he knows where his country clerk's office is, he can pop in at any point. TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #169

Um, no....you don't slate or debate or get money or infrastructure just because you msanthrope Dec 2014 #172

You spoke to becoming a Democrat so that was addressed the rest? Meh... TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #196

No..anything doesn't go. Bernie isn't going to motivate the Dem structure to work for him without msanthrope Dec 2014 #198

I pretty much stalk Bernie PAProgressive28 Dec 2014 #182

I'm not attacking Bernie! He's doing a great job for Democrats! nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #183

A socialist will NEVER win the nomination, let alone the presidency. Atman Dec 2014 #16

Perhaps it's not scary as it sounds? Lugano Dec 2014 #20

He's got a funny accent and comes from that hippie state with all the cheese and Subarus. Atman Dec 2014 #23

Keep on guessing... Lugano Dec 2014 #42

I live in the Southeast and he's my first choice, too. Fawke Em Dec 2014 #96

Southeast here too. Bernie will stand strong against all the bullshit that the GOP will throw at him Erose999 Dec 2014 #125

How is it that every liberal is deemed "unelectable" on DU? And never our conservatives?: Scootaloo Dec 2014 #179

I'm sure you may be busy so have your law clerk do some research, Hillary is also doing a bang up Autumn Dec 2014 #15

The Democratic election machine is already in place....take a look at Iowa. msanthrope Dec 2014 #19

Hillary announce yet? Or is she still non-running? I gotta say though Autumn Dec 2014 #30

Take a look at her travel. And yes...the Democratic machine will help Bernie..if he wins msanthrope Dec 2014 #31

So will you be fully supporting Senator Sanders Lugano Dec 2014 #47

I will do for him what I have done for every Democratic nominee. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #50

Name ANY Hillary supporter who has said they won't support Bernie if he wins the nomination... brooklynite Dec 2014 #58

Every active Hillary supporter on this site has said we would support the nominee if Hillary doesn't hrmjustin Dec 2014 #94

Amazing how that works, isn't it? Hekate Dec 2014 #162

it is. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #164

Yes it is amazing Andy823 Dec 2014 #178

That Democratic election machine is us - the 99%'ers.. Lugano Dec 2014 #45

I've said it before and I believe it, if Bernie runs Hillary might as well stay home. Autumn Dec 2014 #63

Hillary layed an egg in Iowa in 2008, and I got to see it up close all the bullwinkle428 Dec 2014 #36

It's astounding how Hillary was such a noob regarding campaigning. LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #145

I support hillary but hope bernie runs gwheezie Dec 2014 #9

I think the more the merrier. Bernie being in the race will force a discussion that Autumn Dec 2014 #17

Senator Sanders in the primary race will make SoS Clinton a better Democratic candidate. BlueCaliDem Dec 2014 #106

Hooboy. AtomicKitten Dec 2014 #121

We'll just have to agree to disagree. I'm approaching this with common sense, not idealistic BlueCaliDem Dec 2014 #140

Okay, then by the same token she is responsible AtomicKitten Dec 2014 #142

Me, too! nt Zorra Dec 2014 #195

Dean's wrong. Lugano Dec 2014 #2

You'd be surprised about how many of the 99% support Hillary. MoonRiver Dec 2014 #6

Well, then, no need to chastise those who don't care for her, right? n/t djean111 Dec 2014 #32

Not chastising. Just bringing to their awareness how vast is Hillary's support. MoonRiver Dec 2014 #41

I'm sure you've heard this famous quote Lugano Dec 2014 #51

That has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton, if that was your implication. MoonRiver Dec 2014 #56

... SidDithers Dec 2014 #59

It has been mentioned. I understand there is a poll, not to mention lists, links, djean111 Dec 2014 #54

And Hillary's support over Obama was "vast" even a year later right before 2008 too... cascadiance Dec 2014 #64

Your problem is that Obama was running then, Elizabeth Warren is not now. MoonRiver Dec 2014 #70

Only hillary can lose a 30 point lead! nt Logical Dec 2014 #119

Vast like 2008?? LOL! nt Logical Dec 2014 #117

You can LOL all you want, but Hillary has the best chance MoonRiver Dec 2014 #171

Only Hillary can lose a 30 point lead in months. Lets hope it happens again to Warren. nt Logical Dec 2014 #181

Dean is blind to what HRC is? You sound concerned. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #7

Yes. Lugano Dec 2014 #11

You seem to cast Dean as a simple-minded person, unable to think clearly..... msanthrope Dec 2014 #13

I have a lot of respect for Dean, as explained above... Lugano Dec 2014 #37

"But by saying that he's ready for Hillary that he didn't really do his complete vetting." NCTraveler Dec 2014 #14

So explain to me..... Lugano Dec 2014 #33

I am not here to amuse you. Thanks for the try though. NCTraveler Dec 2014 #44

He wasn't ALWAYS a centrist..What happened to his progressivism?..That's what brought whathehell Dec 2014 #43

With all do respect I think Howard Dean knew exactly what he was doing and he did his vetting. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #74

Dean has known and worked with Hillary going back Decades, he isn't some random individual JI7 Dec 2014 #143

DU rec... SidDithers Dec 2014 #3

Between this and Warren's repeated "not running" statements, quite a lot of msanthrope Dec 2014 #5

No doubt he is a smart man. nt. NCTraveler Dec 2014 #12

That's a shame but not surprising.... /nt think Dec 2014 #21

I will not vote for Hillary ...period! L0oniX Dec 2014 #24

Okay!!! I LOVE it when people put me on ignore and announce it. I make a point of msanthrope Dec 2014 #34

I was happy about that once.. turns out he lied. :) Cha Dec 2014 #184

Just an observation but, you only want to talk to people who agree with you? brooklynite Dec 2014 #60

Woopse ...took you off of ignore by mistake. L0oniX Dec 2014 #73

oh, you mean like the HRC forum? LOL!!! nt antigop Dec 2014 #101

The sop of the room states it is for her supporters only. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #103

lol...yep. only for those who want to talk with people who agree with them. You proved the point! antigop Dec 2014 #105

Well the person you addressed doesn't post in the room often. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #107

the mere existence of the HRC forum proves brooklynite's point. I don't see brooklynite antigop Dec 2014 #108

Ok. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #109

Maybe because I don't hang out there (didn't even know it existed) brooklynite Dec 2014 #113

you didn't know it existed... right... well now you do...do they have "boring" conversations there? antigop Dec 2014 #114

From a quick scan? looks about on par with the Elizabeth Warren group... brooklynite Dec 2014 #118

so do they having "boring" conversations in the HRC group? Must be, antigop Dec 2014 #126

Is there a point to this question... brooklynite Dec 2014 #128

just answer the question....read what you posted in Post #60 and answer my question.... antigop Dec 2014 #131

Wut? Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #129

Have you ever seen people gunning so hard for a fight over absolutely NOTHING? Number23 Dec 2014 #176

I like to think we have interesting conversations in the room. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #132

that's not an answer to brooklynite's post #60 where he says it must be "boring" only talking with antigop Dec 2014 #134

Wouldn't know; I've never been there... brooklynite Dec 2014 #110

lol. You haven't mentioned the "boring" conversations that take place there, have you? antigop Dec 2014 #111

Can't mention what I've never seen... brooklynite Dec 2014 #115

doesn't matter whether you've "seen" it or not...you know it exists and is FOR SUPPORTERS ONLY. antigop Dec 2014 #135

Okay - if anyone there publicly states they don't want to talk to someone who disagrees with them... brooklynite Dec 2014 #138

the forum specifically states FOR SUPPORTERS ONLY. So the conversations in HRC forum are boring. antigop Dec 2014 #150

Don't stress, if she wins the nomination you and your "stay at home" crowd.... moriah Dec 2014 #72

Enjoy voting for torture. L0oniX Dec 2014 #75

Ahh, yes, because Hillary's name is all over the CIA report. moriah Dec 2014 #76

Keep ignoring her being SOS too while your at it. L0oniX Dec 2014 #80

Yes, such a disqualification for higher office. moriah Dec 2014 #81

If you want to vote for people who approve of torture that's on you. L0oniX Dec 2014 #82

What, you're getting onto Obama now? moriah Dec 2014 #83

Did you consult Miss Cleo to find out that I was talking about Obama? L0oniX Dec 2014 #85

As I said, you did a massive edit. moriah Dec 2014 #86

Oh yea you caught me being sneaky ...jeeze L0oniX Dec 2014 #87

So will Dr. Dean now be regarded as merely persona non grata at DU, or ... 11 Bravo Dec 2014 #26

According to this thread, he's incapable of rational thought and "vetting." nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #27

One man's opinion doesn't make it a thread. Lugano Dec 2014 #39

Takaway from this Robbins Dec 2014 #28

Well, Howard-I'm not. My Friends/Family are not fredamae Dec 2014 #29

What has happened to Howard Dean? whathehell Dec 2014 #35

...shudder... RiverLover Dec 2014 #38

This should be lst strew for liberals Robbins Dec 2014 #49

Hillary isn't my first choice, but she would be an effective president FLPanhandle Dec 2014 #40

Amen. nuff said MoonRiver Dec 2014 #46

Dean is a Pragmatist Derek V Dec 2014 #48

Maybe Howard's looking for a place on Hillary's cabinet. VP? n/t benz380 Dec 2014 #52

Good for Howard Dean! hrmjustin Dec 2014 #53

Frankly I don't give a damn who Dean endorses. wilsonbooks Dec 2014 #55

There will be many who will endorse her. Union Scribe Dec 2014 #57

K&R, I'm Ready for Hillary too! nt stevenleser Dec 2014 #61

I feel heads exploding over this. lol. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #62

Wait 'til Warren endorses her. You'll need raingear. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #66

Lol there will be gnashing of teeth. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #67

The wailing is my favorite part. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #68

The moon will turn blood red and the stars will fall. n/t. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #69

It'll be cats and dogs..living together! nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #91

Wait till she loses! This place will explode. Wait....what? nt Logical Dec 2014 #122

What a shock! Nt Logical Dec 2014 #120

Good for him. Guess I'm just a dumbass mmonk Dec 2014 #65

To be honest, Dean's endorsement does carry some weight with me. morningfog Dec 2014 #71

I'm Ready for Hiillary! Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2014 #77

https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/1623210_10152422307390493_7477573291476879 wilsonbooks Dec 2014 #78

You might want to try that again. MineralMan Dec 2014 #147

The Wall Street Beatings Will Continue! adirondacker Dec 2014 #79

This is one of the biggest K&R" I have done on DU! William769 Dec 2014 #84

Has "Third-way Manny" weighed in on this yet? scheming daemons Dec 2014 #88

Uggh! JDPriestly Dec 2014 #89

No thanks. We need a non corporate president. Fearless Dec 2014 #90

I don't trust Hillary on Foreign Policy Martin Eden Dec 2014 #92

Did Uncle Howie just jump the shark? EEEeeeeeeeOOOOOOooooooohhhhh ! Hoppy Dec 2014 #93

You went there. RiverLover Dec 2014 #98

If Hillary throws her hat into the ring, BlueMTexpat Dec 2014 #95

Ready for Hillary is code for going along to get along Android3.14 Dec 2014 #97

Two words: zentrum Dec 2014 #99

Unfortunately Senator warren will not run and will back Hillary William769 Dec 2014 #102

Interesting how Howard Dean was all the rage after this last election and now he is not. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #100

... William769 Dec 2014 #104

Dean's 50 State Strategy is backing a Dem who can contend and win in the most states. wyldwolf Dec 2014 #153

Yo, Howard....about those million miles as SOS..... antigop Dec 2014 #112

People fail to realize that US jobs depend on whether US businesses succeed. lumpy Dec 2014 #148

people fail to acknowledge how disastrous the TPP is. She played a leading part . nt antigop Dec 2014 #149

LOL. I love The Onion! They have the best parody! nt Logical Dec 2014 #116

Great last paragraph. But article is Right leaning Politico riversedge Dec 2014 #123

So your contention is Dean's words were misquoted by the "Right leaning Politico?" wyldwolf Dec 2014 #152

You do realize that Dean actually wrote this OpEd? He isn't being quoted. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #159

You'd think that the line "By Howard Dean" towards the top would clue them in. greatauntoftriplets Dec 2014 #166

No shit...I DELIBERATELY included that to head off the posters who msanthrope Dec 2014 #167

It never fails! greatauntoftriplets Dec 2014 #168

Thanks. riversedge Dec 2014 #194

Don't give a damn who Dean or amy other... 99Forever Dec 2014 #124

It often happens when you get older ... earthside Dec 2014 #130

Really Howard? No thanks. polichick Dec 2014 #133

I'll vote for her, and if I stay on DU long enough, I'll never vote for Warren joeybee12 Dec 2014 #136

Clearly Hillary is smart and has offered Dean a position in a future Clinton administration. n/t Tatiana Dec 2014 #139

The We Heart Howard Dean purity group throws Dr. Dean under bus in 3...2...1... LadyHawkAZ Dec 2014 #141

Under the Bus! MineralMan Dec 2014 #144

Am I ok with you if I pray that hillary is not the candidate and will do my best to pick someone.... Logical Dec 2014 #154

Does it matter if it's OK with me? MineralMan Dec 2014 #157

You were whining.... "I find that odd and marginally disturbing" so I thought I would..... Logical Dec 2014 #180

MORE.OF.THE.SAME. GeorgeGist Dec 2014 #146

Keep digging wyldwolf Dec 2014 #151

And the phony liberals toss Dr Dean under the bus.... baldguy Dec 2014 #155

Hillary is a different kind of Dem than Obama but still a Dem so K' n' R. ucrdem Dec 2014 #156

It's going to be freaking glorious. joshcryer Dec 2014 #158

Are DU heads exploding in a fine red mist yet? Hekate Dec 2014 #160

I'm ready for the Third Way Manny thread on this. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #161

Yeah, he'll want an "adult conversation" on the topic Hekate Dec 2014 #163

I'm always fuckin' adult in my conversations. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #165

I know. I guess you missed.... Hekate Dec 2014 #170

Oh no...I was all over that! All over. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #173

Nice gossipy callout subthread. Union Scribe Dec 2014 #190

Ya had to be there. Has your head exploded yet? I'm concerned... Hekate Dec 2014 #191

Just cracks me up. WilliamPitt Dec 2014 #174

Given the length and bitterness of your reply, I did score a mark. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #175

Oh wow.. the fucking hypocrisy! Howard Dean writes an OP and in some people's minds.. it's Cha Dec 2014 #185

Exactly..I post an OpEd written by Dean...with two words of commentary.... msanthrope Dec 2014 #188

that's the way they roll.. "THIRD WAY"! "AUTHORITARIAN"! How dare you use Dean to get RECS.. much Cha Dec 2014 #189

At least this was written with substance. William769 Dec 2014 #187

I wish ya could too, William~ Cha Dec 2014 #192

No its not just about "people and party" its about governing or being BootinUp Dec 2014 #199

Wow, Howard Dean! I'm a little surprised.. but, it's Dean so Rec. :) He's coming out early! Cha Dec 2014 #177

yippee Doctor_J Dec 2014 #186

I'm ready Aerows Dec 2014 #193

I'm not ready for anything more of the same... MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #197

kick BootinUp Dec 2014 #200

I guess we can put to rest any sort of "is she actually running" nonsense, then. Warren DeMontague Dec 2014 #203

Kicking this again. Hurray for Hillary! hrmjustin Dec 2014 #204

'Bout time you woke up Howard fadedrose Dec 2014 #207

Congratulation Howard Dean Mushtaq Dean Dec 2014 #208