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69. "Russian authorities" assassinate journalists?
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 08:05 PM
Dec 2014

And "all the orgs" mentioned in the article in the OP, namely the UN and some NGOs, have "given evidence of this"?

Wow, makes me wonder why Congress needs to pass resolutions urging the President to further increase the funding of CIA-connected propaganda outfits such as "RFE" and "Voice of America".

Here is what the UN Special Rapporteur actually said, on the actual topic at hand, concise and clear, without further distractions:

International law prohibits the granting of immunities to public officials who have engaged in acts of torture. This applies not only to the actual perpetrators but also to those senior officials within the US Government who devised, planned and authorised these crimes.

As a matter of international law, the US is legally obliged to bring those responsible to justice. The UN Convention Against Torture and the UN Convention on Enforced Disappearances require States to prosecute acts of torture and enforced disappearance where there is sufficient evidence to provide a reasonable prospect of conviction. States are not free to maintain or permit impunity for these grave crimes.

It is no defence for a public official to claim that they were acting on superior orders. CIA officers who physically committed acts of torture therefore bear individual criminal responsibility for their conduct, and cannot hide behind the authorisation they were given by their superiors.

However, the heaviest penalties should be reserved for those most seriously implicated in the planning and purported authorisation of these crimes. Former Bush Administration officials who have admitted their involvement in the programme should also face criminal prosecution for their acts.

President Obama made it clear more than five years ago that the US Government recognises the use of waterboarding as torture. There is therefore no excuse for shielding the perpetrators from justice any longer. The US Attorney General is under a legal duty to bring criminal charges against those responsible.

Torture is a crime of universal jurisdiction. The perpetrators may be prosecuted by any other country they may travel to. However, the primary responsibility for bringing them to justice rests with the US Department of Justice and the Attorney General.

Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights


If the US don't act, they can babble about bad, bad Putin all day long but nobody will listen.

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It may be worse now, but people in other countries have thought we are outlaws merrily Dec 2014 #1
It's possible that LiberalElite Dec 2014 #2
Kim's done Dubai, more than once I think. merrily Dec 2014 #4
Thanks for the link . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #7
Yep. His OPs are always very worthwhile, IMO. merrily Dec 2014 #10
I wonder if they will refuse our aid and money? yeoman6987 Dec 2014 #83
A stranger refusing to take your money would make you improve your behavior? merrily Dec 2014 #90
Well these countries are not strangers yeoman6987 Dec 2014 #91
Yes, they are. Embarrass the US? Yes, that's what guides our realpolitik. merrily Dec 2014 #92
Oh my God! You are right yeoman6987 Dec 2014 #93
Torture by the US is not about whether other countries take US aid merrily Dec 2014 #95
Great. Now even a country where journalists get assassinated gets to criticize the US. DetlefK Dec 2014 #3
If only there were some way we could have avoided that. merrily Dec 2014 #5
like counting the votes. robinlynne Dec 2014 #37
Do the UN, Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International "assassinate" journalists? another_liberal Dec 2014 #6
A said "country" and RT is the russian version of Fox News. DetlefK Dec 2014 #14
Whom are they quoting? another_liberal Dec 2014 #19
I don't deny anything. I call RT hypocrites. DetlefK Dec 2014 #21
If trashing RT is all you want to do . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #57
Much as if defending the RT is all you want to do... LanternWaste Dec 2014 #64
My OP has a very clear topic . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #71
No, but the Russian authorities do War Horse Dec 2014 #68
"Russian authorities" assassinate journalists? reorg Dec 2014 #69
56 journalists killed in Russia since 1992. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #96
Actually, it says 36 since 1992 reorg Dec 2014 #100
No, it's 56 killed. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #101
I cited the rather sympathetic report on Anna Politkovskaya reorg Dec 2014 #102
Very relevant point War Horse Dec 2014 #63
Actually you have been for a while now. GliderGuider Dec 2014 #8
The Invasion of Iraq without cause in 2003 was enough proof for me . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #12
The worst was the way they sold Iraq on TV. With Condi Rice's mushroom cloud warning Enthusiast Dec 2014 #33
I remember PatSeg Dec 2014 #42
Training the El Salvadorean Death Squads in Honduras back in the early eighties was enough for me davekriss Dec 2014 #43
I was young (and naive) enough then to buy into the lies and excuses . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #44
they were the first to know reddread Dec 2014 #9
RT. LOL... SidDithers Dec 2014 #11
Calls for prosecution from the United Nations, Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #17
Ok, how about The Guardian and Associated Press? Gonna rofl at that too? Electric Monk Dec 2014 #52
Jose Rodriquez on This Morning now. merrily Dec 2014 #13
Is that really a change in attitude for much of the world? HereSince1628 Dec 2014 #15
I don't think the world Live and Learn Dec 2014 #16
Do you really think it's possible to "negate" what this report details? another_liberal Dec 2014 #18
The first step is admitting you have a problem. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #20
Unless you only pay attention to MSM marym625 Dec 2014 #22
RT. LOL stonecutter357 Dec 2014 #23
I will believe Thespian2 Dec 2014 #24
This is getting to be ludicrous. randome Dec 2014 #25
So, we're not all in this together? n/t ReRe Dec 2014 #30
Your sins are not mine and vice-versa. I'm not your Jesus and you're not mine. randome Dec 2014 #34
Sounds a bit... ReRe Dec 2014 #35
So does 'outlaw nation'. Except it's 'we-we-we'. randome Dec 2014 #38
Do you oppose or support the use of torture? Scootaloo Dec 2014 #80
My opinion doesn't matter in the context of the OP. randome Dec 2014 #88
Good. So those who employed and authorized torture ought to face charges? Scootaloo Dec 2014 #94
In a just world, yes. But we don't live there. randome Dec 2014 #105
So, for political expediency, our nation is letting them get away with it. Scootaloo Dec 2014 #112
I see it more as being in the grip of a cultural ice age. randome Dec 2014 #115
No one requires anyone to read my posts . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #47
Really? So someone telling you we don't appreciate Russian propaganda on this site... randome Dec 2014 #109
Me? another_liberal Dec 2014 #110
Whoah. Did not see that one coming. Kitties win the debate every time. randome Dec 2014 #111
Hey, if you and others are going feel free to indulge in off-topic tangents . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #113
NOW? For many countries TBF Dec 2014 #26
No kidding, ask any South American country n/t arcane1 Dec 2014 #61
RT? leftynyc Dec 2014 #27
Is reporting the TRUTH from a sourse you hate really worse than polly7 Dec 2014 #29
More hyperbolic nonsense leftynyc Dec 2014 #31
There is no truth from this link because there are no facts. randome Dec 2014 #32
Heaven can kiss my ass . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #49
No - I'm actually saying that about RT leftynyc Dec 2014 #51
If you must bash Russia Today . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #54
I believe I'll post wherever leftynyc Dec 2014 #56
Then you are being intentionally "Off Topic." another_liberal Dec 2014 #58
LOL - it's not like leftynyc Dec 2014 #65
Ok then, you'll prefer The Guardian. Here you go. Electric Monk Dec 2014 #59
I've actually already read it from leftynyc Dec 2014 #66
There are a few nations who could talk treestar Dec 2014 #28
The US has always been above international law The2ndWheel Dec 2014 #36
Would this had happened if we had a "free press"? myomy Dec 2014 #39
This point cannot be stressed enough. hifiguy Dec 2014 #48
The Whole World is Watching (NT) The Wizard Dec 2014 #40
My wife pointed out to me yesterday that, should we need to flee this KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #41
If it comes to what you suggest . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #50
There is one but it's not really underground Kalidurga Dec 2014 #60
More power to "Occupy!" another_liberal Dec 2014 #108
Also here. Guardian UK for those fond of shooting the messenger. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #45
Thank you . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #53
Here's another. NYT Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #55
That's been the case since Vietnam. hifiguy Dec 2014 #46
I'm not normally one to grave dance.... Initech Dec 2014 #62
In the eyes of *most americans*, we're an outlaw nation... and proud of it. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2014 #67
Yeah, many still believe anything "Our boys in uniform" do has just got to be justified . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #107
da arely staircase Dec 2014 #70
Spreek Engrish . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #76
Yes we are, but guess which country's state media arm has the least credibility to say so. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #72
The article is almost nothing but direct quotes . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #74
Direct quotes from respected humanitarian organizations... NuclearDem Dec 2014 #77
Please try to stay on the topic of my OP . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #78
My response was about international reaction to the report NuclearDem Dec 2014 #81
No, Nuclear, you are just bashing my source. another_liberal Dec 2014 #84
Well, your source deserves to be bashed. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #87
Write your own OP . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #97
And if this were your site, that would mean something. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #98
K&R for exposure. JEB Dec 2014 #73
Thank you, JEB . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #75
Auto-reset from years of cold war propaganda? JEB Dec 2014 #82
Who could have imagined we'd go through that again . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #85
We will probably build the wall this time, but JEB Dec 2014 #86
As a matter of fact . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #99
Latency Turbineguy Dec 2014 #79
Yes . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #103
We need to submit to an International Criminal Court daredtowork Dec 2014 #89
If we don't agree to punish our guilty . . . another_liberal Dec 2014 #104
K&R woo me with science Dec 2014 #106
kick woo me with science Dec 2014 #114
kick woo me with science Dec 2014 #116
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