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Algernon Moncrieff

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13. Let me say at the outset that I rec this
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 06:16 PM
Dec 2014

Having rec'd, my problem with Pierce's argument (as opposed to your post):

1) The US did torture some prisoners during WWII, although the number is small in comparison to what Germany did, and what we did more recently.
2) We put Americans of Japanese descent (not foreign nationals; not resident aliens) into concentration camps. We took no such measures against Americans of Italian or German descent on any wide scale.
3) We were selective in our prosecutions of Nazis inasmuch as we organized the relocation and hiding of the Gehlen organization because they held a great deal of intelligence on our new enemies, the Soviets.
4) We won WWII with a segregated army and navy.

While we were light years ahead of the Nazi's and Tojo's Japan on the human rights front, we weren't saints. "Innocent" is not the word that leaps to mind.

Then came the Cold War, and our CIA helped train (in some cases) or turned the blind-eye (in many other cases) to the more imaginative practices of the secret police of many nations (Iran, Argentina, Paraguay, Chile, Nicaragua). We think this report is bad; some of the nations we supported did worse things. Of course, most of our Cold War enemies also did despicable things.

...and we Americans have known about "enhanced interrogation", and we had a hint this kind of thing was taking place after Abu Graib.

Long story short: We gave away our right to judge a long time ago.

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Makes me sick to my stomach. And keeps me in that state. calimary Dec 2014 #1
read the comments section grasswire Dec 2014 #29
I agree that the torture report is a new, grim milestone in our descent into despotism. appal_jack Dec 2014 #2
+1000++++++^^^^^^^^ 2banon Dec 2014 #6
Unfortunate Sweeney Dec 2014 #15
KnR, with tears and nausea. nt Hekate Dec 2014 #3
As the scales continue to fall from our eyes..... DeSwiss Dec 2014 #4
Thanks for mention Bertrand Russell, DeSwiss... 2banon Dec 2014 #9
Except...that it is :( Horse with no Name Dec 2014 #5
As a country we have lost the right to judge, but as individuals we have the obligation lostnfound Dec 2014 #7
Judge the whole form of our relationship. Sweeney Dec 2014 #17
As a country we have lost the right to judge, but as individuals we have the obligation lostnfound Dec 2014 #8
"We sold out Robert Jackson for John Yoo." KoKo Dec 2014 #10
"We sold out Robert Jackson for John Yoo. " zeemike Dec 2014 #11
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Let me say at the outset that I rec this Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2014 #13
Do you think we should try to regain the moral high ground? JDPriestly Dec 2014 #27
Our nation needs to stop making expedient choices and adhere to our basic principles Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2014 #30
Great answer. I agree. Please post this as a new thread and send me a personal message JDPriestly Dec 2014 #32
The passionate for the wickedness polynomial Dec 2014 #14
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Sickening, but true MissDeeds Dec 2014 #24
Parts 1 & 3 (links at bottom of source piece) are well worth KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #25
IF (big word) we were an honest nation, we would chisel off George Washington and world wide wally Dec 2014 #26
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What is lost in the debate LiberalLovinLug Dec 2014 #31
"We" didn't do shit. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #33
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