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SomethingFishy

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104. So your take from this thread is "you are trying to distract from the torture issue"
Fri Dec 12, 2014, 07:02 PM
Dec 2014

I'm surprised you didn't use the word "sanctimonious".

Funny thing, from my perspective, it's you and your "eye rolls" who are trying to avoid the issue, which is arrest, and prosecute for violations of the Torture Convention that we signed and ratified.

A poster in this thread keeps asking "you do want Obama to prosecute for torture right?" but it seems that only the people suffering from "Obama Derangement Syndrome"™ care about actually arresting and prosecuting the "folks" responsible.

Please read this and re-consider the misinformation brush Dec 2014 #1
Thanks for proving my point about rationalizing. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #2
Patriot-one who loves his or her country and supports its authority and interests Johonny Dec 2014 #11
Nobody was taking issue with those who didn't participate in torture . . . markpkessinger Dec 2014 #34
NAIL MEET HAMMER helpmetohelpyou Dec 2014 #40
Amen to that! n/t Aerows Dec 2014 #44
That's it right there... SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #85
Exactly. ronnie624 Dec 2014 #277
That stood out for me also. malokvale77 Dec 2014 #88
+1. nt SammyWinstonJack Dec 2014 #93
Exactly! Funny how the apologists always forget the "sanctimonious" line. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #159
"A lot" were Obama's exact words. merrily Dec 2014 #84
no. it does NOT say that at all. robinlynne Dec 2014 #153
thanks brush.. they're the ones who are in Denial.. they seem to have a lot invested in believing Cha Dec 2014 #215
I found it profoundly disrespectful to say a bunch of 'folks' roguevalley Dec 2014 #281
yup...there is arsing don alright Sheepshank Dec 2014 #3
You want Obama to prosecute those resposible for torture, right? LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #24
Now now...we can't do that! It might hurt somebodies feelings. Rex Dec 2014 #28
It's all about trying to distract by arguing about what Obama *really* said LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #31
Yeah these last 6 years are a real eye opener. I thought only the GOP did blind loyalty. Rex Dec 2014 #33
+1 merrily Dec 2014 #86
People don't want to give up the idea that Obama is the 2nd Coming of FDR. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #162
I gve up on that idea Art_from_Ark Dec 2014 #256
I think some cannot stand FDR and his succesful social policies. The want free trade. No limits. Rex Dec 2014 #257
exactly grasswire Dec 2014 #55
It is always the same people. Rex Dec 2014 #58
You need to be less... SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #87
True, I wouldn't want to make anyone mad. Rex Dec 2014 #97
... SammyWinstonJack Dec 2014 #102
Hah malokvale77 Dec 2014 #106
They are under a lot of pressure, those folks ... n/t reorg Dec 2014 #158
And we all know what they are going to say before we even read the posts. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #167
It's almost like they are professional Bullshitters paid to spew bullshit. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #166
heheh. grasswire Dec 2014 #169
Posters like him are proving my point about denial. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #161
Ah, I get it. It's like criticizing the lives and politics of Greenwald and Snowden to distract merrily Dec 2014 #230
The full statement changes nothing... joeybee12 Dec 2014 #101
Obama was asking people not to get "sanctimonious" over torture. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #160
It's worse than that Oilwellian Dec 2014 #181
There in lies the dilemma malokvale77 Dec 2014 #212
And have a direct, verbatim quote. Even saw him saying it. Still can. Video at the link I gave merrily Dec 2014 #232
Who you gonna believe... malokvale77 Dec 2014 #244
Perfect! Night. Rest well and be productive (hopefully enjoyably) tomorrow. merrily Dec 2014 #247
B plus S plus lol LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #4
Why not provide the complete statement, it appears you are in fact taking this out of context. Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #5
Of course they are, the right wing con job of exactly doing that has been copied.....by "liberals", Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #7
Oh look, somobdy proves my point again. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #13
Your "proving my point" meme isn't working. JaneyVee Dec 2014 #18
Actually... SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #89
Yeah, "proves my point" was disingenuous the first time ..now it's just looking stupid. Cha Dec 2014 #216
And you are in favor of Obama holding responsible those responsible for torture, and I right? LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #32
"Fearbola!" LordGlenconner Dec 2014 #36
DU loves the right-wing "Democrats are weak" meme. NYC Liberal Dec 2014 #39
I know. It's amazing so many on DU fall for it. nt okaawhatever Dec 2014 #10
It's the same old crowd Andy823 Dec 2014 #20
While you debate whether he did or didn't, LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #25
Here again is the complete statement, some in class are not paying attention so here goes: LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #49
I have seen this same bullshit over and over the last few days. TM99 Dec 2014 #72
No. Just No. Go back to class you get an F LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #96
Shall we discuss background and credentials then? TM99 Dec 2014 #98
What is sadder is making shit up to make the President sound like a Cheney or a Rumsfeld. LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #105
Only apologists like yourself are saying that Obama is like Cheney or Rumsfeld. TM99 Dec 2014 #110
Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #113
"Obama is actually the worst kind of evil as portrayed in his words" zappaman Dec 2014 #118
I am certain I am. TM99 Dec 2014 #119
Enjoy your stay! zappaman Dec 2014 #123
That one really sticks out doesnt it...wow, the hate for that man is amazing NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #131
"Fuck him" LOL Cha Dec 2014 #221
Not gonna happen!! bravenak Dec 2014 #225
... Cha Dec 2014 #226
GD is like a wrestling pit. bravenak Dec 2014 #228
I've been on a lot of juries lately too.. there was one good HIDE.. Cha Dec 2014 #237
Snake pit too. bravenak Dec 2014 #241
Guess who got alerted on for "Fuck him", LOL'? This was sent to me by a juror.. Cha Dec 2014 #270
Gawd!! bravenak Dec 2014 #271
REally! the thin skinned alerters have gone batshite..(watch that get alerted on).. I sent in my Cha Dec 2014 #273
Yep. Me too. bravenak Dec 2014 #274
Yeah, supertrolls don't get a pass from me. but, apparently me quoting another poster is just too Cha Dec 2014 #275
Do you support President Obama not pushing for prosecution of the torturers, yes or no? truebluegreen Dec 2014 #120
Time is not up. Ask again in a while. LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #122
When? Jan 20, 2017? truebluegreen Dec 2014 #125
When? Let me check my balls. LawDeeDah Dec 2014 #128
Yep. And he's said from the beginning that he's looking forward, not back. truebluegreen Dec 2014 #130
The thread is not about the program, but about Pres. Obama's recent comment. merrily Dec 2014 #249
Theres a statute for that treestar Dec 2014 #262
I think we SHOULD feel sanctimonious. SANCTIMONIOUS? We're talking about war crimes. He says not robinlynne Dec 2014 #156
You are just reading into it what you WANT to read into it. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #168
Fine comment, if you want to give me an alternative interpretation of his comments merrily Dec 2014 #250
Why you would think the full statement is helpful to this absurd spin is beyond me TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #234
No matter what, the context is here. A link to an article with a video is on the thread. merrily Dec 2014 #251
The full statement... malokvale77 Dec 2014 #108
People say 'American's don't torture!!" bravenak Dec 2014 #6
You have both feet on the ground. Puglover Dec 2014 #35
I get so sick of the word 'Patriot'. bravenak Dec 2014 #150
It's used Puglover Dec 2014 #187
Thank you!! bravenak Dec 2014 #188
Gray GRAY Puglover Dec 2014 #189
The Andes? bravenak Dec 2014 #191
Well there is a lovely room with separate bath in my home that has your Puglover Dec 2014 #194
You are too nice. I hope I make it there someday to take you up on that. bravenak Dec 2014 #196
And, apparently, this is the best time chervilant Dec 2014 #236
Thank you. bravenak Dec 2014 #240
I love the Milky Way chervilant Dec 2014 #245
Might take a trip to Girdwood. bravenak Dec 2014 #248
bravenak, you always speak thoughtfully. malokvale77 Dec 2014 #63
I agree. bravenak Dec 2014 #91
It concerns me... malokvale77 Dec 2014 #111
I don't think we ever will get justice. bravenak Dec 2014 #112
I do not see real justice in my lifetime. malokvale77 Dec 2014 #127
People will say anything nasty online. bravenak Dec 2014 #133
Yes... malokvale77 Dec 2014 #142
The president should have them prosecuted, he would then also be for the drones or something NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #136
We have been doing horrible things to people since the beginning. bravenak Dec 2014 #141
If we went by Nuremburg, every Post-WW2 president should have been/should be hanged. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #171
America was built on genocide, slavery, wage slavery, and imperialism. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #170
I learned on my own. bravenak Dec 2014 #172
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #174
That's pretty much it. When people say that they're a patriot, I wonder who they killed. bravenak Dec 2014 #177
I've never called Jefferson a patriot and never been privy to unqualified praise of him that I have merrily Dec 2014 #252
Nothing is wrong with telling the truth, ever. bravenak Dec 2014 #255
I don't know much about what life was like in the 1500s (or earlier) in what we now merrily Dec 2014 #258
Exactly. I see us as brainwashed. bravenak Dec 2014 #260
and yet, as cynical as I think I am, I find I am still naive enough to be merrily Dec 2014 #261
It rarely happens to me. bravenak Dec 2014 #265
I'll have to try to read even more of your posts to see if I can learn that. merrily Dec 2014 #266
I feel bad for being so negative. bravenak Dec 2014 #267
Except in unusual circumstances, I find being in reality trumps being in unreality. merrily Dec 2014 #268
Go ahead and produce the exact quote if you are so certain. geek tragedy Dec 2014 #8
His fingers were crossed when he said it Capt. Obvious Dec 2014 #15
They can't Andy823 Dec 2014 #21
But you think Obama should prosecute those responsible for torture, right? LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #26
LOL! Rex Dec 2014 #29
They never will. malokvale77 Dec 2014 #74
I don't get it either. Rex Dec 2014 #81
"Yet they act like it is world war III and the enemy is the truth and facts." malokvale77 Dec 2014 #116
From a psychological POV what is going on with them is quite obvious to me... Odin2005 Dec 2014 #176
You may be right. malokvale77 Dec 2014 #185
Bingo. laundry_queen Dec 2014 #201
Still can't answer? LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #300
I put the exact quote and a link to an article with a video near the beginning of the thread, in my merrily Dec 2014 #259
It's sad marym625 Dec 2014 #9
It's deliberate propaganda. Our equivalent of Orwell's "2+2=5," woo me with science Dec 2014 #12
Excellent Post woo.. 2banon Dec 2014 #22
Thank-you! polichick Dec 2014 #27
Amen and well said! markpkessinger Dec 2014 #37
Bummer, man, why all the negative vibes? Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #41
Funny. GeorgeGist Dec 2014 #293
yep. n/t Horse with no Name Dec 2014 #54
just because you can't understand somethin doesn't mean it makes no sense. nt arely staircase Dec 2014 #59
By all means, expand on this. ronnie624 Dec 2014 #298
I never said progressives couldn't understand anything arely staircase Dec 2014 #305
Then your post is gibberish. ronnie624 Dec 2014 #310
Or TPP, or school corporatization, or mandatory for-profit health insurance Doctor_J Dec 2014 #68
+1 leftstreet Dec 2014 #90
You got that right.. SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #94
+1 liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #95
... SammyWinstonJack Dec 2014 #107
+1 eom Odin2005 Dec 2014 #179
^^^this. nt laundry_queen Dec 2014 #202
+1-- NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #214
Too true, woo whatchamacallit Dec 2014 #218
Excellent post. n/t ronnie624 Dec 2014 #299
NOT ALL TORTURERS Capt. Obvious Dec 2014 #14
#notalltorturers Dr. Strange Dec 2014 #309
And Wall St Criminals were not committing crimes, they were immoral but sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #16
I am noticing a coordinated campaign to distract attention from the torture issue True Blue Door Dec 2014 #17
Because the only reason why Aerows Dec 2014 #47
People who are against torture talk about torture. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #48
This exactly. nt Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #56
Are you kidding? malokvale77 Dec 2014 #145
Read the post again Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #175
It was clear the first time. malokvale77 Dec 2014 #183
No Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #190
You became my boss when? malokvale77 Dec 2014 #195
I get bossed by Vanilla. bravenak Dec 2014 #197
*snort* Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #211
Did I miss something, bravenak? malokvale77 Dec 2014 #220
No. bravenak Dec 2014 #223
Gotcha. malokvale77 Dec 2014 #227
She beat on me until I had to leave the house! bravenak Dec 2014 #229
I quit being beat on decades ago. malokvale77 Dec 2014 #243
Goodnight!! bravenak Dec 2014 #246
What does that even mean?? Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #209
I Have Read This Entire Thread Long Drive Dec 2014 #278
Outstanding! Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #279
Thanks I Am Sure We Will Be BFFs Long Drive Dec 2014 #280
No doubt. Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #295
My Stay? Long Drive Dec 2014 #311
Who is doing that? n/t Aerows Dec 2014 #60
How about the guy who posted the thread asking the "Fair and Balanced" poll question True Blue Door Dec 2014 #62
It isn't exactly outrageous Aerows Dec 2014 #66
You haven't prosecuted war crimes either. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #69
Did Eric Holder Aerows Dec 2014 #78
Yah, because Aerows has that power. malokvale77 Dec 2014 #138
It's unreal, isn't it? laundry_queen Dec 2014 #204
Unreal is right. malokvale77 Dec 2014 #224
You are becoming a joke... malokvale77 Dec 2014 #147
Yeah, no kidding. zappaman Dec 2014 #64
Precisely unfuckingreal. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #67
It's the same old crowd zappaman Dec 2014 #70
Exactly, TBD.. not wallow in their self made quagmires of twisting the President's words to make Cha Dec 2014 #219
And when exactly do you suppose Obama will get around to starting to LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #301
This isn't about Obama! When are you going to get that?! True Blue Door Dec 2014 #307
Another one who can't answer LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #312
So your take from this thread is "you are trying to distract from the torture issue" SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #104
This malokvale77 Dec 2014 #149
I'm noticing Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #19
+1 LordGlenconner Dec 2014 #79
Cognitive Dissonance is alive and well here.. 2banon Dec 2014 #23
No matter how many threads like this get launched BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #30
They don't want to believe it , it's all they have left with this President helpmetohelpyou Dec 2014 #45
Quote? CakeGrrl Dec 2014 #38
Wish they'd make up their minds regarding the importance of what he says. great white snark Dec 2014 #42
Does Obama think of himself as a patriot? I would say yes helpmetohelpyou Dec 2014 #43
The circling of the wagons Aerows Dec 2014 #46
I think it pretty clearly can be read either way fishwax Dec 2014 #50
Yes ... Obama loves torture. JoePhilly Dec 2014 #51
False framing whatchamacallit Dec 2014 #53
Wait, so you are saying that ... JoePhilly Dec 2014 #61
Some are projecting the "Obama is a torture fan/Obama loves torture" slant whatchamacallit Dec 2014 #71
So he's against it, but covering for it ... why? JoePhilly Dec 2014 #73
You tell me whatchamacallit Dec 2014 #76
I've seen a lot of that on this thread... malokvale77 Dec 2014 #157
Yeah, mis-frame, discredit... whatchamacallit Dec 2014 #164
"Patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels" The Blue Flower Dec 2014 #52
why are you so worried about people who don't hate Obama? arely staircase Dec 2014 #57
Yep. I also think there's a big dose of plain old, 'can't admit I was wrong'. Marr Dec 2014 #65
You could be right. malokvale77 Dec 2014 #99
It's double thinking and cognitive dissonance. morningfog Dec 2014 #75
+1000 darkangel218 Dec 2014 #82
And the sad truth is... Oilwellian Dec 2014 #200
And the full blown attempt to extract a few words from Obama's statement Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #77
As opposed to malokvale77 Dec 2014 #198
What else did you hear him say at the same time? Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #205
DU Rec Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #80
Yeah, there's a lot of people ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #83
He did say it... joeybee12 Dec 2014 #100
Really? NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #109
In so many words whatchamacallit Dec 2014 #114
I asked for a direct quote. NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #117
So who are the patriots he's referring to in his comments? whatchamacallit Dec 2014 #121
<crickets> truebluegreen Dec 2014 #124
The very people ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #134
Lol... Who is the "we" in "We tortured some folks"? whatchamacallit Dec 2014 #140
Oh, I see you're going with the Will Pitt version of events .. NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #144
I have, repeatedly whatchamacallit Dec 2014 #146
The statement is VERY clear ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #148
Again whatchamacallit Dec 2014 #154
Hey, just stick with the Will Pitt version ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #163
I'm not borrowing from Will Pitt whatchamacallit Dec 2014 #165
No, you're right. NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #178
I don't accuse Obama of being "a torture lover" whatchamacallit Dec 2014 #186
+1 laundry_queen Dec 2014 #207
:) whatchamacallit Dec 2014 #213
Prosecution is a different topic. NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #282
Your argument is ridiculous whatchamacallit Dec 2014 #286
You're right. NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #288
Yeah well whatchamacallit Dec 2014 #289
Again you need to ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #290
Astounding opacity whatchamacallit Dec 2014 #291
"Prosecution is a different topic. Why don't you try sticking to the topic at hand?" LondonReign2 Dec 2014 #302
I'm not the one who changed the topic. NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #306
About "folks," OnyxCollie Dec 2014 #272
... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #284
I've always been good at entertaining children, OnyxCollie Dec 2014 #292
Even if your interpretation of the President's words is correct it is still damning. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #184
"law enforcement and our national security teams" malokvale77 Dec 2014 #203
Bingo! truebrit71 Dec 2014 #263
Yes, those were the people he was referring to. NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #285
The actual quote, two paragaraphs full confirms it... joeybee12 Dec 2014 #115
No, he didn't. NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #126
Who do you think was doing the torture? Nevernose Dec 2014 #139
Dunno. NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #173
That's actually the clearest take on that position I've seen yet. Nevernose Dec 2014 #192
It's quite simple. NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #283
"the man who ended the use of torture once he was POTUS, and has now released the report on torture Cha Dec 2014 #233
It's a false concern though, right? No one's criticizing DirkGently Dec 2014 #297
Yes, it's a false concern. NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #308
I was an English major. You weren't. They would have asked you to switch majors. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2014 #296
The most torture of all is inflicted MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #129
Yeah. NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #137
This Manny... malokvale77 Dec 2014 #180
Denial ain't just a river in Egypt, Nance. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #182
You're the one who's dancing on the river Nile..with your "proved my point" crap digging yourself Cha Dec 2014 #235
No offence, but ... NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #287
Imagine for one minute if... Marrah_G Dec 2014 #92
Torture should never be accepted darkangel218 Dec 2014 #103
It seemed clear to me that he was excusing the torturers. SolutionisSolidarity Dec 2014 #132
One point: the paragraph break the White House put in is a bit misleading muriel_volestrangler Dec 2014 #135
Whoa! I didn't catch this before... Oilwellian Dec 2014 #217
Yeah , I started a thread about it , Obama is involved in this also helpmetohelpyou Dec 2014 #242
Whether or not he specifically called torturers "patriots" . . . markpkessinger Dec 2014 #143
Look at what he's done and don't get hung up on a soundbyte. nt ucrdem Dec 2014 #151
kick. robinlynne Dec 2014 #152
and a lot of folks on DU are maintaining that Elizabeth Warren is running for President in 2016 still_one Dec 2014 #155
Show me one. malokvale77 Dec 2014 #193
She is doing a magnificent job as a Senator exposing those democrats not working for the still_one Dec 2014 #199
Wonderful malokvale77 Dec 2014 #206
Every interview I have seen her she has said she is not running for president in 2016, which how the still_one Dec 2014 #210
I know that. malokvale77 Dec 2014 #222
misunderstood your point. Thanks for clarifying it still_one Dec 2014 #231
No harm, no foul. (nt) malokvale77 Dec 2014 #239
Torture is not understandable nor forgivable. JEB Dec 2014 #208
"It is a war crime that can be punishable by death." malokvale77 Dec 2014 #238
You are correct. Vattel Dec 2014 #253
^^^This^^^ truebrit71 Dec 2014 #294
This should be an OP. Jamastiene Dec 2014 #304
Yep. cwydro Dec 2014 #254
kicking cwydro Dec 2014 #264
. MohRokTah Dec 2014 #269
He doesn't. elleng Dec 2014 #276
Okay, we got it, we got it. brush Dec 2014 #303
... SidDithers Dec 2014 #313
heh Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #314
You're late. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #316
Considering oneself a patriot has covered a multitude of sins... Orsino Dec 2014 #315
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