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RobertEarl

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48. Interesting

Sun Dec 14, 2014, 03:33 AM

Dec 2014

Here you make an unsubstantiated claim: "We don't support the people who support us" as it relates to Grayson.

Then, on another thread you claim: ""I am responsible for my country, exactly to the extent I can change it and no further. If you demand any more than that, you are just trying to deflect responsibility from your own countries."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025958043#post1

You are all over the place with your grand pronouncements and actually saying two different things about the idea of what one can do and is responsible for.

On this thread you blame all of us for Grayson not being whatever it is in your mind you think he ought to be, and on the other you say no one is responsible except for what they can do in their own place. Here you blame DU for a Florida congressman not meeting your desires, and on the other claim that one can't be blamed for something that they are not directly responsible for.

And on another thread you made this interesting comment to me:

"Republicans have made a science of this mind-fuckery."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025956912#post6

I think you have been studying up on that mind-fuckery? Welcome to DU. I think I got your number = 0

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Remember Alan Grayson's first term, when he spent every day being a liberal firebrand? [View all] True Blue Door Dec 2014 OP

Or, maybe he realized that making fiery speeches doesn't accomplish much... brooklynite Dec 2014 #1

Exactly. And that shouldn't be the case. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #2

Question...why do you WANT fiery speeches that accomplish nothing? brooklynite Dec 2014 #3

It doesn't accomplish nothing if it's rewarded. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #4

Being quiet and obeying the party leadership doesn't change anything. Ken Burch Dec 2014 #35

The alternative is to give up. Ken Burch Dec 2014 #36

Eight years - not six, and she left to be SECSTATE. MADem Dec 2014 #51

She voted for the Iraq resolution Sanity Claws Dec 2014 #79

Yeah--all by herself, too!!! MADem Dec 2014 #81

She was great for the banksters...for people who vote Democratic..not so much... Ken Burch Dec 2014 #86

Yeah, that's why Warren signed that letter. 'Cause "she was great for the BANKSTERS!!" MADem Dec 2014 #87

If there were more like-minded congressmen who would not only cheer Grayson on, but also take Cal33 Dec 2014 #69

The ONLY reason why the best Democrats, like Grayson and Kucinich and sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #40

By contrast, keeping it on the down low has made these Democrats extremely effective. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Dec 2014 #83

Oh my... I remember your recent OP with about 350 posts. Quantess Dec 2014 #5

Here's some more comedy gold. Full ignore! Buh-bye, troll! True Blue Door Dec 2014 #6

No way will I put you on ignore. Quantess Dec 2014 #65

Never saw a jury say a reply of "stick this where the sun don't shine," "fuck you" and "fuck you" merrily Dec 2014 #55

Now THIS is a post from you I can respect Nevernose Dec 2014 #7

How soon they forget MFrohike Dec 2014 #8

The Syrian intervention that Republicans opposed because Obama's in the White House? True Blue Door Dec 2014 #9

Heh MFrohike Dec 2014 #10

You noticed no difference between his first and second terms? True Blue Door Dec 2014 #11

No MFrohike Dec 2014 #12

He's been relatively quiet in his second term. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #13

Yeesh MFrohike Dec 2014 #14

TBD is a master at making stuff up RobertEarl Dec 2014 #46

They "targeted" him because redistricting made him vulnerable. And he's talked about his shift Recursion Dec 2014 #20

That's how they targeted him. I'm not sure that's why. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #23

They don't care. Seriously. Same reason we didn't bother trying to beat Bachmann Recursion Dec 2014 #26

But that consideration is entirely because of shit the GOP did. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #28

You're vastly, *VASTLY* overestimating his "public stature" Recursion Dec 2014 #30

It's not a question of 'else' so much as priorities. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #33

Missed that interview could you please provide a link. aspirant Dec 2014 #50

Sorry, it was a quote in a profile piece, not an interview, but here it is Recursion Dec 2014 #52

Thanks aspirant Dec 2014 #53

He voted against the bill to provide aid to the Syrian 'Rebels', or terrorists sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #41

He is a principled voter. But he doesn't make noise like before. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #42

Yes, I agree, it is our fault and we have to change that. sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #43

Remember, he was willing to be aspirant Dec 2014 #49

LOL! Opposed because he didn't go to Congress, as required by a certain quaint piece of parchment. merrily Dec 2014 #56

Maybe the loss of his seat for a term in the interim had something to do with it? Recursion Dec 2014 #15

I kind of said that in the OP. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #17

No, I'm saying we did have his back, just like we had Dean's in 2004, and we aren't much help Recursion Dec 2014 #18

Hmm. I had thought the ratio was pretty low. Am I remembering wrong? True Blue Door Dec 2014 #19

For most House candidates it's $0 Recursion Dec 2014 #21

True, but his bird-dogging the GOP also brought in a lot of money against him. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #22

Money doesn't buy anybody a 20 point victory Recursion Dec 2014 #24

"Less confrontational tone"...this is basically my point. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #25

None (or very few) of us live in his district Recursion Dec 2014 #27

Normally I'd agree. Normally I'd say it's a candidate's responsibility to appeal to voters. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #32

And then Grayson defeated his Republican opponent. Grayson 2 Republicans 1 in a purple state. merrily Dec 2014 #57

It should have been Grayson 3. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #88

Let's not create false "facts" brooklynite Dec 2014 #31

So, Republicans did Grayson a favor in a purple state? That sounds like as false a fact as any. merrily Dec 2014 #58

No, they did themselves a favor by moving as many Republicans as possible into adjacent districts. brooklynite Dec 2014 #64

Sorry, something is still not ringing true. merrily Dec 2014 #70

Take a look at the Cook, Rothenberg, Sabato or DKos rating for his district...SOLID DEM brooklynite Dec 2014 #71

I believe his district is blue. That is not what I am questioning. merrily Dec 2014 #73

Not just blue...absolutely safe. brooklynite Dec 2014 #74

Careful, you're blowing the OP's reasoning merrily Dec 2014 #75

brooklynite rebuffed the OP in post #1. joshcryer Dec 2014 #89

He hasn't been quiet. He's been speaking out as he always has on issues sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #44

+1 I have to fess up here. merrily Dec 2014 #59

Yes, he is a very smart man. Extremely intelligent. He does enjoy calling out sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #82

I see him as a man who speaks out and shows that he cares about what he is talking about. jwirr Dec 2014 #16

He's not more quiet, fewer are choosing to listen n/t arcane1 Dec 2014 #29

I listen. What I hear is quieter. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #34

That is a very good point. arcane1 Dec 2014 #45

Alan Grayson is now SamKnause Dec 2014 #37

Yes, this is entirely my point. We were deprived of him through our own lack of attention. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #38

+1 merrily Dec 2014 #60

lets not forget DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #39

+1 merrily Dec 2014 #61

maybe he is fine-tuning his righteous anger Skittles Dec 2014 #47

Interesting RobertEarl Dec 2014 #48

really. who is this 'we' he's referring to? KG Dec 2014 #67

He's said plenty in the last couple of years. He also gets good amendments into bills. merrily Dec 2014 #54

He won a different seat quaker bill Dec 2014 #62

^^This^^. nt Zorra Dec 2014 #72

They could have eliminated the district. That's what they did to Kucinich. merrily Dec 2014 #78

Florida is growing quaker bill Dec 2014 #84

I know the gerrymandering was extreme. I hope like anything they don't have the house in 2020. merrily Dec 2014 #85

Yes!! Love it!! nt RiverLover Dec 2014 #63

Alan is a Rep in a district about as far from my own as it gets. I have and do support him Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #66

I still send money now and then...I'm not in his district. PassingFair Dec 2014 #68

In term 1, Al Franken said somewhere (I can't find a link) that he planned to... Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2014 #76

Alan ran in a different district in 2012, a liberal Democratic district, and won, Zorra Dec 2014 #77

Sigh, sometime some of you should just sit back and do nothing but read, post after post, NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #80