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In reply to the discussion: Castro won. [View all]frazzled
(18,402 posts)11. This isn't a game, and it's not about which team won
It's crass and simplistic (should I be surprised?) to state things in this reductive way. Common sense, humanitarian and economic interests won. Diplomacy has won. Americans and Cubans win.
From the White House statement on the new policies:
Today, the United States is taking historic steps to chart a new course in our relations with Cuba and to further engage and empower the Cuban people. We are separated by 90 miles of water, but brought together through the relationships between the two million Cubans and Americans of Cuban descent that live in the United States, and the 11 million Cubans who share similar hopes for a more positive future for Cuba.
It is clear that decades of U.S. isolation of Cuba have failed to accomplish our enduring objective of promoting the emergence of a democratic, prosperous, and stable Cuba. At times, longstanding U.S. policy towards Cuba has isolated the United States from regional and international partners, constrained our ability to influence outcomes throughout the Western Hemisphere, and impaired the use of the full range of tools available to the United States to promote positive change in Cuba. Though this policy has been rooted in the best of intentions, it has had little effect today, as in 1961, Cuba is governed by the Castros and the Communist party.
We cannot keep doing the same thing and expect a different result. It does not serve Americas interests, or the Cuban people, to try to push Cuba toward collapse. We know from hard-learned experience that it is better to encourage and support reform than to impose policies that will render a country a failed state. With our actions today, we are calling on Cuba to unleash the potential of 11 million Cubans by ending unnecessary restrictions on their political, social, and economic activities. In that spirit, we should not allow U.S. sanctions to add to the burden of Cuban citizens we seek to help.
Today, we are renewing our leadership in the Americas. We are choosing to cut loose the anchor of the past, because it is entirely necessary to reach a better future for our national interests, for the American people, and for the Cuban people.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/white-house-cuba-fact-sheets
It is clear that decades of U.S. isolation of Cuba have failed to accomplish our enduring objective of promoting the emergence of a democratic, prosperous, and stable Cuba. At times, longstanding U.S. policy towards Cuba has isolated the United States from regional and international partners, constrained our ability to influence outcomes throughout the Western Hemisphere, and impaired the use of the full range of tools available to the United States to promote positive change in Cuba. Though this policy has been rooted in the best of intentions, it has had little effect today, as in 1961, Cuba is governed by the Castros and the Communist party.
We cannot keep doing the same thing and expect a different result. It does not serve Americas interests, or the Cuban people, to try to push Cuba toward collapse. We know from hard-learned experience that it is better to encourage and support reform than to impose policies that will render a country a failed state. With our actions today, we are calling on Cuba to unleash the potential of 11 million Cubans by ending unnecessary restrictions on their political, social, and economic activities. In that spirit, we should not allow U.S. sanctions to add to the burden of Cuban citizens we seek to help.
Today, we are renewing our leadership in the Americas. We are choosing to cut loose the anchor of the past, because it is entirely necessary to reach a better future for our national interests, for the American people, and for the Cuban people.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/white-house-cuba-fact-sheets
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If I were to turn the US into a repressive dicatorship while making it more prosperous,
Donald Ian Rankin
Dec 2014
#77
they already are. Here are some of the Cuba travel programs available on Road Scholar
CTyankee
Dec 2014
#119
If outlasting opposition, regardless of virtue (or lack thereof), is the defintion of "winning"
Nuclear Unicorn
Dec 2014
#7
It's also something that many leaders we liked didn't get to experience, either.
NBachers
Dec 2014
#143
The Bush Family Dynasty brought Dictatorship and poverty, while stealing their
sabrina 1
Dec 2014
#33
Yeah, nobody. I even know Americans who've done it, though our law makes it difficult
NewDeal_Dem
Dec 2014
#102
Tourism in Haiti is an industry that has generated just under a million arrivals in 2012,
NewDeal_Dem
Dec 2014
#105
Depends on where you go. Some sections of the country are reportedly very nice & far
NewDeal_Dem
Dec 2014
#111
You said there are no american tourists in haiti. But there are. and now I'm done with
NewDeal_Dem
Dec 2014
#126
As privatization began in 2001, apparently they were doing better before, yes.
NewDeal_Dem
Dec 2014
#136
oh boo, everyone knows cuba is a workers paradise where freedom reigns for all people nt
msongs
Dec 2014
#48
Half-century long feuds with next door neighbors reflect badly on all parties
carolinayellowdog
Dec 2014
#28
Yes, and all it took for the win was 40 years of sanctions and lies and invasions.
Fred Sanders
Dec 2014
#30
Well, I think he is even a nice guy. He fought the corrupt Batista regime and the organized crime
kelliekat44
Dec 2014
#31
Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, and Reporters Without Borders see it differently
onenote
Dec 2014
#60
Will you watch MTV's "Fiesta In Your Face at Fajita Beach: Havana Edition" in 2017?
Throd
Dec 2014
#41
I agree. There are decades of pent up and conflicting emotions and desires to be reconciled
hack89
Dec 2014
#42
Odd post. Won? Won what? He was fighting for regional and global communism.
stevenleser
Dec 2014
#50
I must respectfully but emphatically disagree with you about Vietnam. The Vietnamese won and
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2014
#120
That's what most republicans seem to be saying too. If we have to have a WINNER and a LOSER in
pampango
Dec 2014
#63
Well, once you've called the President a LPOSUCS, you have to keep up the street cred. nt
msanthrope
Dec 2014
#70
No shit--and when you google the post, although you've erased the shit from DU, what happens?
msanthrope
Dec 2014
#145
And I think that the recognition of that is what is missing from the OP....which means it really
msanthrope
Dec 2014
#146
France was once the world's biggest power & still is among the biggest world powers.
NewDeal_Dem
Dec 2014
#99
I prefer to think of it as: U.S. hypocrisy (See: China, Communist) finally LOST.
WinkyDink
Dec 2014
#76
You are so right! Tiene razon! Gracias para los factos de la historia. La lucha continua.
ancianita
Dec 2014
#94
what's your point? The cold war is over, and guess what Fidel is retired. An opportunity not only
still_one
Dec 2014
#128
Well, if it's any consolation, Cuba will be mostly under water in a few decades.
progressoid
Dec 2014
#140