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33. The Bush Family Dynasty brought Dictatorship and poverty, while stealing their

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:29 PM

Dec 2014

resources, to Cuba. What else is new? We do that a lot.

There was a Revolution against the Oligarghs, the Revolution won.

It is their country, the world doesn't need America to 'fix' it. In fact after seeing what we did in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya (have you seen what happened to THAT country since we 'came, saw and he died' btw?) the world doesn't want the US fixing anything, other than our dictator friends in Uzbekistan eg, where the people have no say in anything.

The rest of the world is free to travel to Cuba, to shop there, to make financial deals with the government, without invading them or arranging coup d'etats to topple their leaders.

We are the only ones who continue this childish nonsense regarding a country that we could be dealing with in a more mature manner.

But the far right won't have it, so it continues.

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Castro won. [View all] WilliamPitt Dec 2014 OP

But did Cuba win? Throd Dec 2014 #1

Did America? WilliamPitt Dec 2014 #2

absolutely. Schema Thing Dec 2014 #3

If I were to turn the US into a repressive dicatorship while making it more prosperous, Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2014 #77

We have blanket surveillance, militarized police, institutionalized torture, Maedhros Dec 2014 #79

Agree! n/t Nevada Blue Dec 2014 #95

I left out apartheid. [n/t] Maedhros Dec 2014 #101

Well I don't worry about going to prison for criticizing the President. NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #124

Don't care. Not worried about Cuba. Maedhros Dec 2014 #155

But Cuba under Batista thucythucy Dec 2014 #88

This message was self-deleted by its author Sweeney Dec 2014 #151

Cuban cigars for all! JaneyVee Dec 2014 #4

Smoke em if you got 'em! Initech Dec 2014 #58

Smoke 'em if you can afford 'em. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #82

Classic car enthusiasts and collectors are probably salivating right about now VScott Dec 2014 #5

I know I am! I can't wait to shop on Cuban Ebay! n/t benz380 Dec 2014 #6

Not to mention… dhill926 Dec 2014 #22

To all the scuba divers mainstreetonce Dec 2014 #71

they already are. Here are some of the Cuba travel programs available on Road Scholar CTyankee Dec 2014 #119

If outlasting opposition, regardless of virtue (or lack thereof), is the defintion of "winning" Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #7

Great. The embargo is stupid. It should be lifted as well. Tatiana Dec 2014 #8

What did he win?...nt SidDithers Dec 2014 #9

He won capitalism by spending decades fighting against it. JaneyVee Dec 2014 #16

I suspect that capitalism has just won. Orsino Dec 2014 #91

Old Age Liberal_Dog Dec 2014 #21

It's also something that many leaders we liked didn't get to experience, either. NBachers Dec 2014 #143

Well, he did win a thread title on DU BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #32

I just keep seeing Charlie Sheen.... msanthrope Dec 2014 #46

The Cuban system will lose. former9thward Dec 2014 #10

The Bush Family Dynasty brought Dictatorship and poverty, while stealing their sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #33

So we've been told for 55 years. LanternWaste Dec 2014 #54

No, we haven't had American investment or travel there for 55 years. former9thward Dec 2014 #62

Like haiti has. To their great benefit. NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #67

No American investment there or travel. former9thward Dec 2014 #85

There's both. NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #97

Nope. former9thward Dec 2014 #100

Yeah, nobody. I even know Americans who've done it, though our law makes it difficult NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #102

Maybe you should read my posts if you want to comment on them. former9thward Dec 2014 #104

Tourism in Haiti is an industry that has generated just under a million arrivals in 2012, NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #105

There is little U.S. investment there. former9thward Dec 2014 #106

Depends on where you go. Some sections of the country are reportedly very nice & far NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #111

I said there was no American tourism. former9thward Dec 2014 #114

No americans go to haiti? Funny my cousin was there twice last year. NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #122

So your cousin represents American tourism. former9thward Dec 2014 #125

You said there are no american tourists in haiti. But there are. and now I'm done with NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #126

Thank goodness. former9thward Dec 2014 #129

What Cuba transitions into will remain much more Schema Thing Dec 2014 #83

I hope Cuba is not your poster boy for socialism. former9thward Dec 2014 #86

lol, ok. Schema Thing Dec 2014 #87

They are not successful. former9thward Dec 2014 #92

Didn't we just cut food stamps again which forces the poor to ration food? Oilwellian Dec 2014 #109

LOL former9thward Dec 2014 #113

Privatization.... NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #130

Oh privatization is causing all the problems. former9thward Dec 2014 #134

As privatization began in 2001, apparently they were doing better before, yes. NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #136

The poster is a winger. NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #131

This isn't a game, and it's not about which team won frazzled Dec 2014 #11

Finally (and I'm a JFK fan). mmonk Dec 2014 #12

I have high hopes for this new relationship. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #13

You don't beat International Capitalism by being a nice guy. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #14

Ten years from now Cuba will be a capitalist society hack89 Dec 2014 #37

Who cares? Man from Pickens Dec 2014 #15

Some of the most beautiful beaches in the world a kennedy Dec 2014 #17

I want my 90th birthday party mainstreetonce Dec 2014 #73

Better hurry up, they won't last. NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #74

Silly me. I thought it was about the Cuban people, not one person. Dreamer Tatum Dec 2014 #18

L'etat c'est moi. Throd Dec 2014 #20

The one does not deny the other... LanternWaste Dec 2014 #56

Don't let some wanker turn you now. GeorgeGist Dec 2014 #61

Given the role Cuba has played in the Ebola crisis, this seems long overdue. bemildred Dec 2014 #19

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh malaise Dec 2014 #23

Yeah, I like to rub it in. nt bemildred Dec 2014 #24

Imagine what Cuba could have been if they let those people own anything Dreamer Tatum Dec 2014 #27

oh boo, everyone knows cuba is a workers paradise where freedom reigns for all people nt msongs Dec 2014 #48

Like the US. NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #78

Recommended. H2O Man Dec 2014 #25

And those political prisoners sure as hell didnt win !! Rhinodawg Dec 2014 #26

Political prisoners never win... MattSh Dec 2014 #44

The political prisoners in Guantanamo Bay? LanternWaste Dec 2014 #57

Half-century long feuds with next door neighbors reflect badly on all parties carolinayellowdog Dec 2014 #28

Maybe we will be able to fly direct now Go Vols Dec 2014 #29

In my opinion as having seen all the coast of the USA riverbendviewgal Dec 2014 #51

Yes, and all it took for the win was 40 years of sanctions and lies and invasions. Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #30

Well, I think he is even a nice guy. He fought the corrupt Batista regime and the organized crime kelliekat44 Dec 2014 #31

I couldn't have said it better myself. giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #49

Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, and Reporters Without Borders see it differently onenote Dec 2014 #60

So does that mean you don't think Obama a "nice guy"? NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #80

if by being absorbed you mean winning - then yes. xchrom Dec 2014 #34

Finally an end to something completely unproductive Vox Moi Dec 2014 #35

When Cuba embraces capitalism will you say the same thing? hack89 Dec 2014 #36

Will you watch MTV's "Fiesta In Your Face at Fajita Beach: Havana Edition" in 2017? Throd Dec 2014 #41

I agree. There are decades of pent up and conflicting emotions and desires to be reconciled hack89 Dec 2014 #42

How about, "The Real Housewives of Trinidad" snooper2 Dec 2014 #47

Plus, he never lost an election. What a guy (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2014 #38

No humanity and common sense won. nt craigmatic Dec 2014 #39

Castro won? Suits me. (nt) Paladin Dec 2014 #40

No Che won . . . ucrdem Dec 2014 #43

When Utopia is found, let me know! mfcorey1 Dec 2014 #45

Odd post. Won? Won what? He was fighting for regional and global communism. stevenleser Dec 2014 #50

Can we adopt their health care system, now? Hoyt Dec 2014 #52

American Cubans with family in Cuba won. Americans won. Fuck Castro. ohheckyeah Dec 2014 #53

Can't wait for Walmart to take over the island! bigwillq Dec 2014 #55

Oh gawd. SammyWinstonJack Dec 2014 #75

Panama has a McDonalds on every corner. roody Dec 2014 #148

Winning is an arbitrary and subjective concept chrisa Dec 2014 #59

I must respectfully but emphatically disagree with you about Vietnam. The Vietnamese won and KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #120

That's what most republicans seem to be saying too. If we have to have a WINNER and a LOSER in pampango Dec 2014 #63

Exactly. nt Andy823 Dec 2014 #64

Isn't that funny? This OP, and most republicans are saying that, too? nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #65

Funny yes Andy823 Dec 2014 #68

Well, once you've called the President a LPOSUCS, you have to keep up the street cred. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #70

LOL Andy823 Dec 2014 #110

Again? Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #135

No shit--and when you google the post, although you've erased the shit from DU, what happens? msanthrope Dec 2014 #145

Ironically, Democrats have been against the embargo... joshcryer Dec 2014 #139

And I think that the recognition of that is what is missing from the OP....which means it really msanthrope Dec 2014 #146

Will cuba survive as socialist? Yeah, like china has. What did castro win? NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #66

Probably end up more like France than China, imo. Schema Thing Dec 2014 #84

France was once the world's biggest power & still is among the biggest world powers. NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #99

Indeed, look at other small island nations Schema Thing Dec 2014 #121

Finally get the red out Dec 2014 #69

He won 30 years ago when the last architect of the stupid poisoned-cigar Arkana Dec 2014 #72

I prefer to think of it as: U.S. hypocrisy (See: China, Communist) finally LOST. WinkyDink Dec 2014 #76

What about the people? ananda Dec 2014 #81

yes he did. time to move on. spanone Dec 2014 #89

Two words: Fulgencio Batista panader0 Dec 2014 #90

and now MFM008 Dec 2014 #93

You are so right! Tiene razon! Gracias para los factos de la historia. La lucha continua. ancianita Dec 2014 #94

If anything, they won the ability to experience American capitalism. Raine1967 Dec 2014 #96

The embargo will take an act of congress to end Major Nikon Dec 2014 #116

Strangely, POTU just dumped all this Cuba stuff on the next congress. Raine1967 Dec 2014 #118

Yep. Despite everything we've done, we couldn't dislodge him LittleBlue Dec 2014 #98

yes, Fidel did win. Now Raul....well....I do riversedge Dec 2014 #103

What will they win? NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #132

Do you know who just can't wait for cuba to open up? mitch96 Dec 2014 #107

LOL B Calm Dec 2014 #108

On its death throes, Captialism still seeks RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #112

Again. Zorra Dec 2014 #115

Jury results LoL denbot Dec 2014 #117

Castro won? anamnua Dec 2014 #123

And the Cuban people? elleng Dec 2014 #127

what's your point? The cold war is over, and guess what Fidel is retired. An opportunity not only still_one Dec 2014 #128

What did he win? Renew Deal Dec 2014 #133

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #137

Pyrrhus won too. sir pball Dec 2014 #138

No need.... msanthrope Dec 2014 #150

Well, if it's any consolation, Cuba will be mostly under water in a few decades. progressoid Dec 2014 #140

He won mostly because he outlived so many of the Batista Cubans Warpy Dec 2014 #141

Wrong. moondust Dec 2014 #142

Some of us still believe in Freedoms and Human Rights Rhinodawg Dec 2014 #144

A huge victory for Castro, nilesobek Dec 2014 #147

I was certain we'd wait until Fidel died malthaussen Dec 2014 #149

won what? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #152

What difference does it make? nt ladjf Dec 2014 #153

Countries have the right to determine their own destiny brush Dec 2014 #154