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TorchTheWitch

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20. whether or not Garner was a victim is immaterial
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:38 AM
Dec 2014

A grand jury decided he wasn't, and part of the problem with grand juries to begin with is that the public isn't made aware of why or how the jury came to that conclusion, but there is a reason that they did. The fact is had he not resisted arrest he'd be alive as there would have been no reason to take him down however it was done. There is no denying that fact. Personally, I'm not at all comfortable with his death and how his breathing was disabled by police, but since I don't know how or why the jury came to the conclusion they did as we aren't allowed to know that it is a fact that had he not resisted arrest it would not have occurred.

All your post is doing is further politicizing. The deaths of these two officers IS connected to Garner since that was the reason that this fuck decided to travel to NY and kill two NYPD officers and why a family member of the ex-girlfriend he wounded warned the Baltimore police who warned the NYPD though the warning came in to the NYPD at almost the exact moment of the shooting of the officers.

It does not have anything to do with whether or not Garner is a victim or how he died or why he died or why the grand jury made the decision that it was not indictable, but it's Garner's death that had everything to do with why this asshole traveled to NY to murder two NYPD officers in cold blood. They were assassinated while sitting in their squad car minding their own business and likely never even saw anyone about to kill them. Their deaths are in NO WAY comparable to Garner's, and you're bringing this up does nothing but encourage the politicization about it that you claim to not want. These three deaths are in NO WAY equal, and your post tries to make that so. Garner died accidentally - no officer had any intension to kill him - and had he not resisted arrest he wouldn't have been in any position to have his breathing restricted. These two officers were assassinated by an evil shit who traveled to NY expressly to assassinate two NYPD officers in cold blood in a twisted attempt at revenge for Garner's accidental death.

All post does is further politicize their murders, and shame on you for also attempting to make their deaths equal to that of Garner's. Those two officers were sitting in that car where they were and where they were not normally assigned to in order to provide a police presence because of the crime and violence in the area - in order to PROTECT people just by their presence - and were assassinated in cold blood by an evil nut case that traveled to the city for the exact reason to murder two and possibly even more NYPD officers. He also very well may have wounded his ex-girlfriend because she knew what he planned to do and tried to stop him. Luckily she didn't end up dying from his shooting her (at least not yet - we don't yet know how critical her condition is).

Garner's family utterly condemned their murders and weren't so crass as to even bring Eric's death up at all - who are you to do that and to try to make their cold blooded murders equal to that of Eric Garner's accidental death in resisting arrest for being caught once again doing something criminal that he had a very long history of?

Baloney you don't want the murders of these officers politicized - you just did in more ways than one.

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Of COURSE they are - they were innocent victims. My anger is with RW media blm Dec 2014 #1
I can't argue with that. KMOD Dec 2014 #3
+2 nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #21
Please remember hate media on the right ignores Dawson Leery Dec 2014 #2
They are all victims of a police force who has gone morningfog Dec 2014 #4
Right AnalystInParadise Dec 2014 #5
Who said he had a reason? morningfog Dec 2014 #8
Still pushing that BS AnalystInParadise Dec 2014 #9
Who are these "both sides"? morningfog Dec 2014 #13
Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #15
So the sides are "black people v. cops"? morningfog Dec 2014 #18
Analyst will be able to answer on Feb 25. A-Schwarzenegger Dec 2014 #24
He sure takes a lot of time off. morningfog Dec 2014 #26
Looks like he's already back as Name Removed. A-Schwarzenegger Dec 2014 #32
Since he's flagged for review, that could be his swan song. morningfog Dec 2014 #33
Either way, I'm morbidly curious about the "removed" response to me downthread. n/t nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #36
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #31
Get the fuck out with that "both sides" horseshit trolling. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Dec 2014 #19
So I guess Tamir Rice and Eric Garner got what they deserved? nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #22
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #30
The mistrust is very real KMOD Dec 2014 #6
Absolutely. The person who killed them is solely to blame. morningfog Dec 2014 #11
No, guns are to blame. The people that pulled the triggers... MadDAsHell Dec 2014 #29
Too late. These have been politicized for months LittleBlue Dec 2014 #7
I don't think there is any correlation Skittles Dec 2014 #10
Oh, I completely agree! KMOD Dec 2014 #12
They may well be true. But it calls attention morningfog Dec 2014 #14
it is a mistake to issue statements with grief and anger Skittles Dec 2014 #17
+10000. GGJohn Dec 2014 #16
I agree with that. He used current events as an excuse Rex Dec 2014 #39
whether or not Garner was a victim is immaterial TorchTheWitch Dec 2014 #20
My response, KMOD Dec 2014 #23
and my response... TorchTheWitch Dec 2014 #27
Torch, I really wanted to respond in kind, KMOD Dec 2014 #28
YEP. Rex Dec 2014 #40
So by that logic, a person has no right to refuse an illegal search either. nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #37
Yes they are victims. May they rest in peace and may their families be comforted. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #25
I have my own issues with authority, but on a basic human level I have to agree with you. nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #38
Victims no, Causalities of a war that has been going on for decades, yes ChosenUnWisely Dec 2014 #34
They are victims of a suicide/murder. Feral Child Dec 2014 #35
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