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Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
51. I'm for legalization, and against police lies and abuses.
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 05:45 PM
Dec 2014

Now, legalization of Marijuana for me would be meaningless. I'm allergic to it, and nothing could be so good as to cause me to risk days in ICU for the chance to enjoy it. Yet, I am in favor of legalization because I believe that the laws are wrong.

Now, to the Police part of the question. I take some things, and I hold them sacred. The way some people hold their wedding vows, or their children, or their parents. I hold ideals sacred in my heart and mind. One of those ideals is truth. If I say something happened, and I was there. It happened, and I was there. If I say it did not happen, well you get the point. I tell the truth when I say I am, and will.

My proposals to reform the police in the past have been as follows. First, polygraph testing every six months. Ask the cops a few simple questions. Have you abused anyone in the last six months. Have you seen anyone abused. Have you lied on your reports or in testimony, have you seen anyone lie. If you can't pass that test, you're not going to jail in my proposals. But you don't wear your badge and gun out of the test.

Second, body cameras on the cops. One of my interests is aviation, and finding out what happened and why it happened depends on information. More is better obviously. The Flight Data recorder and the voice recorder make it possible to reconstruct the events leading up to the accident as accurately as possible. It allows us to find out what happened, and what we can do to prevent it from happening again. I made a post suggesting this just a couple days ago for police.

We are told there are only a few bad apples, but that doesn't stand the test of even basic logic much less any other standard. Those bad apples do not operate in a vacuum. They have co-workers, fellow officers who write reports covering the misdeeds of those bad apples. If the police really were an organization dedicated to weeding out those bad cops, then the bad cops would be terrified of acting out for fear of exposure. Imagine a prospective bank robber who sees a half dozen cops standing around in the bank. He would be terrified of acting because he would be caught, or killed in seconds. The bad cops would be similarly fearful, but they aren't. They plant evidence, they lie, they fabricate confessions. No one says that none of that happened, they stand and nod their heads, supposedly in fear of retribution by the bad cops. So we are at least agreed that the bad cops are the majority in that scenario, because if they weren't, then they would be fearful of retribution.

We must break the cycle of the thin blue li(n)e. We must do so, because it is tearing our society apart. At one time, we might have been able to get the ball rolling by making small changes, but now, it is going to take major changes to even get the ball slowed down from the direction it is headed in.

So I am no fan of the police. Because I've seen their abuses, and it sickens me. The abuses happen so often as that it is "normal", and that is unacceptable. An example of that if you like.

Pepper spray was marketed as a less than lethal means of preventing an attack. The pain is so excruciating that the attacker would seek escape, instead of harming someone else. If a person is combative during an arrest, the police could use it to distract the person, and then take them into custody. It was never marketed as a punitive measure. We would not have allowed it to be produced and used if we were told that people would be sprayed with this chemical in punishment of some perceived slight. Yet, it is used as punishment.

This happened in 2012. It wasn't during the Bush years, so we can't blame Republicans. It didn't happen in some redneck haven in the South. It happened in Maine, one of the strongholds of Democratic Politics. So we have no one to blame but ourselves as Democrats.



The man was strapped to a chair, and sprayed with the Pepper spray. He was begging for forgiveness for his transgression, and promising to never do it again, and they didn't care. They wanted him to suffer. That is the dictionary definition of cruel and unusual punishment. If it is a State Prison, and I was the Governor, I would have pardoned the man ten minutes after viewing that abuse.

The system is completely broken. If we are to salvage any semblance of it, we must start with major changes now. If we don't, the reputation, the position of Police will become one of absolute disgust to a vast majority of our people, and chaos would reign. I don't want that, but we have to stop it now. We can no longer give the police the benefit of the doubt. We must hold them accountable for such barbarities. Because if we're going to allow pain to be given as a punishment by our judicial system, where do we stop? Public floggings? Do we bring back pillaries?

So yes, I am pro legalization, and yes I hate the actions of the police, and thus the police themselves. But I am not involved in any way with the drug culture. So what does this do to your theory or observations now?

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I support NOT destroying lives by NOT filling up our prisons lame54 Dec 2014 #1
Some adjustments may be needed. JEFF9K Dec 2014 #98
There are lots of people who aren't "into drugs" who support legalization. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #2
I don't hate cops, I'm opposed to police brutality Nevernose Dec 2014 #3
Support this ^^^. Gee did prohibition in the 30's build up mafia and violence? on point Dec 2014 #11
^----- This----^ Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #14
I, too, am opposed to police brutality ... JEFF9K Dec 2014 #22
+1 NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #44
I disagree that even on this site the majority blindly condemns cops. Anansi1171 Dec 2014 #85
Racism in cop culture SHOULD be eliminated. JEFF9K Dec 2014 #96
+1000000 treestar Dec 2014 #94
How about none of the above? Downwinder Dec 2014 #4
I expected lots of NONE OF THE ABOVE responses ... JEFF9K Dec 2014 #17
You are a walking right-wing meme machine. n/t Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #20
I agree with the right wing on almost nothing. JEFF9K Dec 2014 #24
Let's see. In this thread alone, you've got liberals hating police and spitting on Vietnam soldiers. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #27
I'm just stating facts. JEFF9K Dec 2014 #74
Except the "facts" you state BlindTiresias Dec 2014 #81
Facts are facts. JEFF9K Dec 2014 #97
If you'd do a little research, you'd find that was buillshit. Nice try though. HERVEPA Dec 2014 #32
Nothing I said was untrue. JEFF9K Dec 2014 #99
I have heard that, too. Downwinder Dec 2014 #42
bullshit G_j Dec 2014 #78
If you were "there" you were a soldier, no? JEFF9K Dec 2014 #100
I support an end to the drug war that disproportionally incarcerates MY people. bravenak Dec 2014 #5
I'm for legalization of all drugs Alittleliberal Dec 2014 #6
Ay yay yay alcibiades_mystery Dec 2014 #7
I'll go with 2. I think the war on drugs has harmed and corrupted the police. They are victims too. on point Dec 2014 #8
Legalization would reduce violent crimes. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #9
2nd choice Runningdawg Dec 2014 #10
Using illegal drugs has given many white people the opportunity to be treated like black people. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #12
Some drug users Alittleliberal Dec 2014 #15
I hate racist trolls on DU RandiFan1290 Dec 2014 #13
Alert Results giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #21
Good call jurors. HERVEPA Dec 2014 #33
Yes indeed.... giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #35
Yep. Sometimes. HERVEPA Dec 2014 #38
Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #102
Yes! tenderfoot Dec 2014 #60
How is that relevant to this thread? JEFF9K Dec 2014 #25
Every single person I knew that hated the cops ... JEFF9K Dec 2014 #101
I don't agree with any of your statements Major Nikon Dec 2014 #16
Prohibition is a failed public policy. nt TeamPooka Dec 2014 #18
Prohibition of ALCOHOL was a failed conservative policy. JEFF9K Dec 2014 #26
Are you going to argue that drug prohibition is a successful public policy? Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #30
It limits drug usage. JEFF9K Dec 2014 #65
There's research saying drug policy has little impact on drug use rates. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #70
Prohibition of drugs happened around the same time with the same failed results Major Nikon Dec 2014 #34
You think that things would be better ... JEFF9K Dec 2014 #66
Things were certainly better when alcohol was legalized Major Nikon Dec 2014 #73
Yes. Here's why: Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #76
Yep. Criminilizing drugs does more damage than the drugs themselves. hunter Dec 2014 #104
Alcohol IS a drug. The war on drugs ohheckyeah Dec 2014 #39
We all know that alcohol is a drug ... JEFF9K Dec 2014 #68
Yes we can - it's called history. n/t ohheckyeah Dec 2014 #87
I have two friends who died from using the drug alcohol. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #46
I'm not "into drugs", but support their legalization. surrealAmerican Dec 2014 #19
You probably mean "illegal drugs" Trillo Dec 2014 #23
Every police force in the nation has a financial interest in prohibition. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #47
Funny thing about straw men is that they're usually brainless. Scootaloo Dec 2014 #28
I don't hate police rbrnmw Dec 2014 #29
Don't forget Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP). Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #31
The majority are retired cops, finally free to speak out eridani Dec 2014 #57
+1 nt Live and Learn Dec 2014 #61
I don't do drugs but am definitely onecaliberal Dec 2014 #36
I'm not into drugs, I don't "hate" cops, and I support legalization 100% tularetom Dec 2014 #37
I don't see 'hatred of law enforcement' on DU TransitJohn Dec 2014 #40
What about posters who say... NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #45
It is hyperbole. They probably don't exclude the possibility that a good cop exists. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #48
Actually, one verified bluntly to me that he meant exactly that. NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #50
No, your conflation of an opionion with 'hatred' notwithstanding. eom TransitJohn Dec 2014 #62
Read all the threads. JEFF9K Dec 2014 #69
there is plenty of it treestar Dec 2014 #95
I'm the stereotype you're seeking.... mike_c Dec 2014 #41
You don't exist. You died in rehab from a pot overdose. Warren Stupidity Dec 2014 #49
This one time I injected 6 whole marijuanas Alittleliberal Dec 2014 #53
I was there. bravenak Dec 2014 #56
I support drug legalization & I support the police. NaturalHigh Dec 2014 #43
I'm for legalization, and against police lies and abuses. Savannahmann Dec 2014 #51
Excellent post. Live and Learn Dec 2014 #92
I support the police. Aerows Dec 2014 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author otohara Dec 2014 #54
I've had nice cops when I've been pulled over tabbycat31 Dec 2014 #83
i support most drug legalization Ramses Dec 2014 #55
How about a little nuance? n/t 99Forever Dec 2014 #58
So our only options are to hate police or support them? Meh. nt Live and Learn Dec 2014 #59
I'm guessing that you are in the camp ... JEFF9K Dec 2014 #71
I support legalization of most drugs and I support police. aikoaiko Dec 2014 #63
I'm not into drugs and I don't hate 'police'. I am opposed to the failed right wing 'War sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #64
I know people in the MMJ business who oppose legalization AND hate cops. nt bemildred Dec 2014 #67
Not sure what the MMJ business is ... JEFF9K Dec 2014 #72
Medical Marijuana. bemildred Dec 2014 #86
I support police who are intelligent, decent, responsible, and professional. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #75
I support legalization hifiguy Dec 2014 #77
I support well regulated drug legalization and a well regulated honest police force. Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #79
Terribly Loaded Question ProfessorGAC Dec 2014 #80
Saw this post yesterday and was honestly shocked. Anansi1171 Dec 2014 #82
I believe any citizen should be able to shoot dope smokers. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2014 #84
I define "support the police" to include that LE needs to be held to a very petronius Dec 2014 #88
I am 150% against prison privitization. Initech Dec 2014 #89
+1 nt Live and Learn Dec 2014 #91
I can see hatred of cops from people into illegal drugs JonLP24 Dec 2014 #90
I support drug legalization and the police treestar Dec 2014 #93
The brutal and often racist and steroid addled drug warrior cops can all go to hell. hunter Dec 2014 #103
cigarettes are legal but the number of smokers has been declining for years. just make it declasse NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #105
Well this went over like a fart in church LordGlenconner Dec 2014 #106
I personally wouldn't use drugs, but support legalization of most drugs. Calista241 Dec 2014 #107
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