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GGJohn

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39. Because that's what it is.

Reply to randys1 (Reply #37)

Thu Dec 25, 2014, 06:20 PM

Dec 2014

What motivates someone to so DESPERATELY hope it isn't a gun in that picture?

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All I need to see (St. Louis Shooting) [View all] _Blue_ Dec 2014 OP

It's a gun helpmetohelpyou Dec 2014 #1

Well... MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #219

Welcome to DU alcibiades_mystery Dec 2014 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author MrScorpio Dec 2014 #3

even if that cigar is blurry as fuck?... lame54 Dec 2014 #4

It's drawn and pointed , he has a record of carrying an illegal gun and a history of violence helpmetohelpyou Dec 2014 #8

Actually, he didn't have a record carrying a gun. He was never charged Live and Learn Dec 2014 #77

He wasn't? Travelman Dec 2014 #150

See the article attached to post 1 of the following: Live and Learn Dec 2014 #157

Interesting. Travelman Dec 2014 #158

Or they decided there wasn't enough evidence. Live and Learn Dec 2014 #185

You can clearly see that the object he's pointing at the officer is in the shape of a gun. GGJohn Dec 2014 #9

there's that word clearly again lame54 Dec 2014 #14

Let me rephrase that. GGJohn Dec 2014 #21

no you can't lame54 Dec 2014 #87

Yes, I can. GGJohn Dec 2014 #88

thank you for clarifying that it is not that the shape of the gun is what makes you think that but uppityperson Dec 2014 #138

Your faith in the unknown is impressive. LanternWaste Dec 2014 #228

I would seem that I was justified in my faith. GGJohn Dec 2014 #231

FWIW the cop wasn't looking at the gif nt LiberalElite Dec 2014 #22

the point is... lame54 Dec 2014 #89

That's the best video of the shooting I've seen so far, GGJohn Dec 2014 #5

There's a post where a DU member froze the screen shot and blew it up a little helpmetohelpyou Dec 2014 #12

If he pulled a gun on the cop and pointed it at him Hutzpa Dec 2014 #6

Did you really need to start your own thread about it? randome Dec 2014 #7

The ability to see things differently seveneyes Dec 2014 #18

Show me the unedited/uncropped video then we can talk "Blue" n/t 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #10

It is getting weird on DU I've seen stubbornness that the cop must always be wrong treestar Dec 2014 #11

That cop is very lucky. pintobean Dec 2014 #13

My guess is safety Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #17

My opinion is from Breaking Bad exboyfil Dec 2014 #84

Sometimes - and maybe even most of the time - the cop shooting the victim is justified. Chemisse Dec 2014 #73

Exactly treestar Dec 2014 #91

This message was self-deleted by its author Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #80

once this place seizes on a narrative it generally doesnt let go shaayecanaan Dec 2014 #132

Why wasn't a call for help placed after the onecaliberal Dec 2014 #15

Because he was dead shaayecanaan Dec 2014 #119

Not according to his girlfriend.... onecaliberal Dec 2014 #128

Who wasn't there. Travelman Dec 2014 #151

I guess "clearly" means something different to you than it does to me, that is not a clear uppityperson Dec 2014 #16

Bullshit, that grainy ass picture shows nothing of the sort... giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #19

haha _Blue_ Dec 2014 #20

Unfortunately you've got the percentages upside down. marble falls Dec 2014 #177

Oh jeez _Blue_ Dec 2014 #178

Wow joeglow3 Dec 2014 #213

I too have extensive training and experience in the use of firearms, pistol and rifle, GGJohn Dec 2014 #23

You see what you want, as you have in every cop giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #26

No, I see what is obvious to any fair thinking person., GGJohn Dec 2014 #29

He had a grocery bag still in his right hand, he brought giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #99

A fucking 9mm won't knock a guy that size off balance, GGJohn Dec 2014 #106

You have no idea how big that guy is... giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #110

Does it matter? _Blue_ Dec 2014 #113

No kidding. Travelman Dec 2014 #153

You can tell by the video he's an average sized man, GGJohn Dec 2014 #117

Ha ha ha, funny you were a fuckin officer weren't u? giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #121

No, I was an Attack Helicopter pilot with over 40 years in. GGJohn Dec 2014 #125

That is one point I will apologize for mocking u for. giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #134

No problem and I apologize for getting a little too hot under the collar with you, GGJohn Dec 2014 #135

To u as well... giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #136

FWIW, I think you have been pretty fair in your history on cop issues. You seem to call them out.... Logical Dec 2014 #120

Thank you. GGJohn Dec 2014 #122

I agree this current shooting is a good one. Cop had no choice. nt Logical Dec 2014 #123

There's the accusation treestar Dec 2014 #92

So fucking what if he only has 21 posts? GGJohn Dec 2014 #24

Apparently, my post count is directly proportional to the likelihood it was a firearm. _Blue_ Dec 2014 #44

It would seem so. GGJohn Dec 2014 #47

No, your post count & reccs are directly related to the giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #55

Stop, plz just stop. GGJohn Dec 2014 #57

So now I'm a fool for pointing out the obvious?? giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #66

Weren't you a low count poster at one time? GGJohn Dec 2014 #70

She still is. It's a matter of perspective pintobean Dec 2014 #81

Yep, I still consider myself a low post count member. GGJohn Dec 2014 #83

groan 840high Dec 2014 #86

Welcome to DU. 840high Dec 2014 #74

Not a firing stance, you say? NickB79 Dec 2014 #25

and that's not at all how he was standing... giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #27

Not at all? Bullshit NickB79 Dec 2014 #28

I'm calling bull on her knowledge of firearms and stances. GGJohn Dec 2014 #30

Well it's a good thing I don't have shit to prove to you then giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #33

You have nothing to prove because you have nothing to offer in the way of firearms experience GGJohn Dec 2014 #34

Well, some people are claiming that it's a cell phone pintobean Dec 2014 #35

Orrrr maybe he whipped it out to film his encounter... giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #46

Logic and probability have to be suspended pintobean Dec 2014 #50

Really, because the need to film police encounters as giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #59

Well, Mr. Martin wasn't whipping out and pointing a camera pintobean Dec 2014 #63

Well of course he wasn't, says almighty pintobean... giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #69

Pintobean has as much right to an opinion as you treestar Dec 2014 #95

No one said they didn't. eom giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #101

I have an opinion of pintobean Dec 2014 #114

Says his friend who was with him pintobean Dec 2014 #225

Yeah, because people always whip out their cellphones, point them at police like a gun GGJohn Dec 2014 #56

that might be an issue worth considering treestar Dec 2014 #94

A shooting stance huh? giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author GGJohn Dec 2014 #53

A 9mm doesn't have a very powerful recoil, it is not like he is shooting doc03 Dec 2014 #65

I can take the same stance as that guy in the video and shoot my .45 w/o it GGJohn Dec 2014 #75

You are right; I'm a small woman. cwydro Dec 2014 #97

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while you and your less than 2000 posts are so superior? TorchTheWitch Dec 2014 #72

Oh yeah? Fuckin 18 with soooooo many crimes but yet giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #93

It isn't odd at all. Ace Rothstein Dec 2014 #100

Not supposedly Armed Robbery as they claim the giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #107

Based on everything I've read, it is difficult to conclude he was not violent. Ace Rothstein Dec 2014 #116

He was accused of armed robbery but never charged giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #133

Carrying a bag of groceries doesn't sound violent to me, either. n/t. freshwest Dec 2014 #226

Doesn't get much more violent than pointing a gun at someone. Ace Rothstein Dec 2014 #229

You're making assumptions based on something you giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #235

Well, it turns out those of us that said that video showed he was pointing a gun at the officer GGJohn Dec 2014 #236

No, once again it turns out the cops are claiming... giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #239

None are so blind as those that won't see. GGJohn Dec 2014 #240

Here is what you are calling Klan land pintobean Dec 2014 #241

Why is it so hard for you to admit you were wrong? GGJohn Dec 2014 #243

Im not making any assumptions. Ace Rothstein Dec 2014 #238

In what neighborhood have there been people killed every time a cop rolls up? treestar Dec 2014 #103

alert shaayecanaan Dec 2014 #104

Thank you for posting this.... giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #108

No fuckin problem nt shaayecanaan Dec 2014 #115

Juror # 6? Jackpine Radical Dec 2014 #227

This was telling of several things. None of them good. n/t flvegan Dec 2014 #127

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This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Dec 2014 #184

It wasn't hate speech nor was it ever intended to be... giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #202

Thank you for this post. cwydro Dec 2014 #98

That was from the heart, people have no idea what we giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #109

Street criminals often don't go to the range working on their stance...nt Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #82

No, they go other places... giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #90

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This message was self-deleted by its author rakeeb Dec 2014 #182

"That isn't even a firing stance" rakeeb Dec 2014 #186

I can't tell what's going on in that clip at all. I don't see how anyone could base a judgement on NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #223

There's been a second angle released that shows what could have been a cell phone justiceischeap Dec 2014 #31

execpt that it was actually Niceguy1 Dec 2014 #38

Huh? If you look at the video, the 'screen' in the screen cap is a circle of light from a flashlight X_Digger Dec 2014 #51

All that video shows is the friend running away ManiacJoe Dec 2014 #64

He ran like hell into the store..... Historic NY Dec 2014 #102

What about the third video... Historic NY Dec 2014 #112

Because he's scared justiceischeap Dec 2014 #129

An alternative theory could be that he attempted to fire but failed, in the heat of the moment, GGJohn Dec 2014 #131

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this is the best angle I've seen, the young man raises phone or gun cop pulls his gun shoots tire wh juxtaposed Dec 2014 #137

Because distance is your friend. ManiacJoe Dec 2014 #168

I dont see a gun randys1 Dec 2014 #32

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you really needed your own thread for this mess. rbrnmw Dec 2014 #36

What motives someone to so DESPERATELY need to see a gun in that picture? randys1 Dec 2014 #37

Because that's what it is. GGJohn Dec 2014 #39

Did I start a thread EMOTIONALLY insisting it ISNT a gun? no, but that is what we have here randys1 Dec 2014 #42

I suspect they feel a need to defend cops rbrnmw Dec 2014 #41

Not just cops but cops in certain situations, but yes, always defending cops randys1 Dec 2014 #43

On the other hand LincolnsLeftHand Dec 2014 #48

Public servants? You mean cops, and certain groups of people can have that luxury randys1 Dec 2014 #49

yep I love that man rbrnmw Dec 2014 #67

I mean that the thousands of people who put their lives on the line to protect others LincolnsLeftHand Dec 2014 #71

One day in and a hidden post Long Drive Dec 2014 #124

Really? sheshe2 Dec 2014 #62

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And not calling an ambulance? sheshe2 Dec 2014 #175

Ding ding ding giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #54

I'm not seeing objectivity at all on the anti-cop side treestar Dec 2014 #105

This is the pot calling the kettle black treestar Dec 2014 #96

what motivates people to so desperately see it as something else? shaayecanaan Dec 2014 #130

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Thanks for posting this LincolnsLeftHand Dec 2014 #45

So now many DU members are uneducated, knee jerk finger pointers? randys1 Dec 2014 #52

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Well said I agree 100%, if that is how it went down. But there are some here that doc03 Dec 2014 #58

^^^This^^^ GGJohn Dec 2014 #61

I can't imagine holding chickenfairy Dec 2014 #68

Looks like suicide by cop to me madville Dec 2014 #76

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I'm sold...justified but.... bobGandolf Dec 2014 #78

The body cams and car cams are going to be one fucking huge waste of money. HUGE. n/t djean111 Dec 2014 #85

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Because of recent events, my initial reaction to stories like this is skepticism tularetom Dec 2014 #79

True, but it still leaves a lot of unanswered questions. Live and Learn Dec 2014 #143

I confess I'm not sure what prompted this incident... classof56 Dec 2014 #111

I agree that it is not relevant treestar Dec 2014 #118

As Denzel Washington put it so aptly in Training Day, GGJohn Dec 2014 #126

do you need to know someone's history or anything else about them TorchTheWitch Dec 2014 #171

TTW, I appreciate your reply. classof56 Dec 2014 #200

How come the police in other civilized countries do not shoot suspects to death even sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #139

In which country is deadly force not the typical response to a deadly threat? _Blue_ Dec 2014 #140

Just about every civilized country except this one. sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #144

So the officer was supposed to wait to see if the guy was going to shoot or not? GGJohn Dec 2014 #141

Yeah, in the US that IS the only possible option that occurs to the police. Shoot first, never, ever sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #145

What other option? GGJohn Dec 2014 #147

How was this an "ambush"? uppityperson Dec 2014 #148

Maybe not an ambush in the true sense, GGJohn Dec 2014 #149

If it was not an ambush, why call it one? Any time someone has "bad intentions", does uppityperson Dec 2014 #152

You're right, I'll edit it. GGJohn Dec 2014 #154

thank you and merry happy etc uppityperson Dec 2014 #155

Back atcha. GGJohn Dec 2014 #156

I'm no cop lover Boreal Dec 2014 #173

Maybe we should ask the French police how THEY handle these situations. sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #189

Why don't you show us where in the video the cop jumped out of his car guns ablazing? GGJohn Dec 2014 #191

I wasn't referring to this one incident, I was referring to the number of other incidents sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #208

Jesus Christ!!!!! GGJohn Dec 2014 #209

I hate that too. So my apologies, I do not know everyone on this forum and sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #211

No problem. GGJohn Dec 2014 #212

BTW, in the earlier post? GGJohn Dec 2014 #210

Yes, it was badly written. I was thinking of the other incident, but did conflate the two. sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #214

Thank you. GGJohn Dec 2014 #215

Other countries have much stricter gun laws. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2014 #142

You may be correct, but I seldom see someone takes such joy in someone dying. Nt Logical Dec 2014 #146

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If that's the best you've got, then you've got nothing. baldguy Dec 2014 #170

"All you need to see is the color of Antonio Martin's skin." pintobean Dec 2014 #176

All you need to see is the color of Antonio Martin's skin? GGJohn Dec 2014 #180

A "gun" with a glowing LCD screen? That seems to have disappeared from the crime scene baldguy Dec 2014 #220

That "glowing LCD screen"? That was the cops flashlight. GGJohn Dec 2014 #221

Except that it isn't a reflection. baldguy Dec 2014 #222

Nevermind about what you saw… what about the witness in the picture? MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #172

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All I need to see is the whole video. rgbecker Dec 2014 #179

What is that cop's name and was he tested for steroids or meth after the shooting? - nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #187

Why should he be? GGJohn Dec 2014 #188

In case he was operating 'under the influence' during the encounter with KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #192

What makes you think he was? GGJohn Dec 2014 #193

The fact that he shot first and never asked questions. Doesn't make me think 'he was' (your KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #195

He shot first? GGJohn Dec 2014 #198

"never asked questions" pintobean Dec 2014 #199

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You joined up for this? Capt. Obvious Dec 2014 #181

it appears so rbrnmw Dec 2014 #183

Judging from the video, it appears there was no resolution. Capt. Obvious Dec 2014 #190

Yes, anti-police brutality is different than anti-police. PeteSelman Dec 2014 #201

So then you are saying this was suicide by cop... SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #203

Maybe it was a sandwich pintobean Dec 2014 #204

We must be blind or stupid SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #205

I can tell _Blue_ Dec 2014 #216

+1000. eom GGJohn Dec 2014 #217

"The shooting was clearly justified." MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #218

You can tell looking at that video that what you are seeing is a gun in that mans hand. SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #224

One thing IS *Clear* Schema Thing Dec 2014 #206

So if it was a cellphone chickenfairy Dec 2014 #207

Side comment on cell-phone picture taking. haele Dec 2014 #232

Well, here are some answers pintobean Dec 2014 #233

Gun or not aren't most if not all police shootings found to be justified? damnedifIknow Dec 2014 #230

HOORAY! Feral Child Dec 2014 #234

That CLEARLY negates all the unarmed black kids murdered by cops, now doesn't it? GGJohn Dec 2014 #237

It didn't need to be said, it was CLEARLY implied. Feral Child Dec 2014 #258

No, it wasn't implied, not even close. GGJohn Dec 2014 #259

Yes, I remember. Feral Child Dec 2014 #260

This message was self-deleted by its author GGJohn Dec 2014 #261

Notice the missing avatar? They made it to 106, thanks EarlG! uppityperson Dec 2014 #242

buh bye... tenderfoot Dec 2014 #244

Funny how you see a gun marym625 Dec 2014 #245

It was a gun. Ace Rothstein Dec 2014 #246

You are aware of the presser today by the Chief? GGJohn Dec 2014 #247

I am aware of the press conference marym625 Dec 2014 #248

Including the man that was with Martin, GGJohn Dec 2014 #249

I am extremely skeptical marym625 Dec 2014 #250

So you don't believe the several witnesses, again, including the guy who was with him GGJohn Dec 2014 #251

Why haven't any of the witnesses come forward marym625 Dec 2014 #252

Bye bye, Blue MrScorpio Dec 2014 #253

Who whips out a gun that slowly? ecstatic Dec 2014 #254

According to the witnesses, including the man who was with Martin, GGJohn Dec 2014 #255

You know as well as I do that facts won't matter if the person doesn't want them. Action_Patrol Dec 2014 #256

Yeah, I'm seeing that. GGJohn Dec 2014 #257