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In reply to the discussion: All I need to see (St. Louis Shooting) [View all]TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)72. while you and your less than 2000 posts are so superior?
Pot, meet kettle.
I have no experience with firearms whatsoever. However, I do have common sense. And common sense says that a criminal that's stupid enough to pull a gun on a cop isn't going to be shooting while running and isn't concerned about some kind of particular shooting stance to begin with since the object of the stupid decision to pull and point the gun in the first place is to kill the cop as quickly and accurately as possible which is far more likely to happen without bothering to waste time moving into a perfect shooting stance (if said criminal has any clue what that is to begin with which isn't likely) and isn't going to be shooting on the run because even a nincompoop knows that they're likely to be more accurate the closer and more still they are when firing.
We already know the guy was a nitwit because:
A) he'd already been caught in a multitude of crimes even over a very brief criminal career (good criminals don't get caught),
B) he was stupid enough to pull a gun on a cop in the first place which is basically a death wish,
C) was so stupid to imagine that he'd likely get the drop on a cop to begin with in the circumstances, and
D) had he wanted to accurately and quickly shoot and kill a cop and get away with it he'd have taken cover FIRST, had a planned escape route, and shot at the officer when said officer had no clue he was there with a gun intent on shooting him.
He's dead because he was a violent criminal and a barking idiot.
And instead of asking how it is that an 18 year old kid becomes a violent criminal with a gun in the first place - and NO ONE likes a violent criminal - the cop hate brigade is turning themselves inside out trying to deny the obvious and make this violent criminal some kind of martyr because they just can't stand it that a cop had to face the danger of being killed by a violent criminal and thankfully got the drop on them... that just throws a wrench in the nutty agenda that there are no violent criminals other than cops, and every one of them is a psychopath that just can't wait to go to work every day so they can blow some totally innocent person's head off. The cop hate brigade here has also systematically ignored the hundred of protesters that showed some of which turned it into a riot by blowing off explosives right next to gas tanks, threw rocks and bricks at police officers that sent at least two of them to the hospital, set the QT across the street on fire and otherwise attacked officers just as they've ignored every other instance of violence during protests since such incidents first started in Ferguson. Even at that time there were EXCUSES here for that behavior with people saying so what it's just stuff as if it's such a simple thing that completely innocent people had their businesses destroyed, people lost their jobs, had their cars destroyed, etc. by violent shits getting off on making mayhem.
And to top if off if the dead violent criminal was a white kid there would be little to nothing mentioned here and absolute silence if the dead violent criminal was white and the officer black or other minority. We even had someone here complain that when it's a white dude with a gun the police just talk them down using a video of a white guy that DID NOT draw or point a gun at anyone much less at an officer. Never mind the statistics that show that there have been far more white people killed by police than black in the first place, and never mind that the Berkeley police is over 50% black including command positions.
Nobody want to talk about the very real stupidity and danger of no-knock raids and the TRULY innocent people effected by them yet fall all over themselves to try to ignore the obvious in a circumstance where a violent criminal pointed a gun at a cop and got himself killed just as they did with another violent criminal that shot at a police officer and DU was in an uproar of stupidity claiming he was only carrying a sandwich and never mind the gun that was recovered or the ballistic testing that showed he fired at the officer and once again completely ignored the instant protest that arrived where once again violent mayhem ensued. Even the cop hate brigade forgot all about that one seeing as how stupid it was to try to continue the complaints even when the local protesters bought a clue. While all along no one has given shit one about all the innocent people that lost their jobs, their property or their business because of this violence because there's violent criminals to make into martyrs. They even complain when other items of news showing up here like the very recent shootings at a convenience store in St. Louis where one person was killed and three others gravely injured that didn't involve police at all since then they'd have to once again face the fact that there are violent criminals about. And no surprise there wasn't a soul showing up protesting violent criminals.
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It's drawn and pointed , he has a record of carrying an illegal gun and a history of violence
helpmetohelpyou
Dec 2014
#8
You can clearly see that the object he's pointing at the officer is in the shape of a gun.
GGJohn
Dec 2014
#9
thank you for clarifying that it is not that the shape of the gun is what makes you think that but
uppityperson
Dec 2014
#138
There's a post where a DU member froze the screen shot and blew it up a little
helpmetohelpyou
Dec 2014
#12
It is getting weird on DU I've seen stubbornness that the cop must always be wrong
treestar
Dec 2014
#11
Sometimes - and maybe even most of the time - the cop shooting the victim is justified.
Chemisse
Dec 2014
#73
I guess "clearly" means something different to you than it does to me, that is not a clear
uppityperson
Dec 2014
#16
I too have extensive training and experience in the use of firearms, pistol and rifle,
GGJohn
Dec 2014
#23
No problem and I apologize for getting a little too hot under the collar with you,
GGJohn
Dec 2014
#135
FWIW, I think you have been pretty fair in your history on cop issues. You seem to call them out....
Logical
Dec 2014
#120
Apparently, my post count is directly proportional to the likelihood it was a firearm.
_Blue_
Dec 2014
#44
You have nothing to prove because you have nothing to offer in the way of firearms experience
GGJohn
Dec 2014
#34
Yeah, because people always whip out their cellphones, point them at police like a gun
GGJohn
Dec 2014
#56
Based on everything I've read, it is difficult to conclude he was not violent.
Ace Rothstein
Dec 2014
#116
Well, it turns out those of us that said that video showed he was pointing a gun at the officer
GGJohn
Dec 2014
#236
In what neighborhood have there been people killed every time a cop rolls up?
treestar
Dec 2014
#103
Street criminals often don't go to the range working on their stance...nt
Jesus Malverde
Dec 2014
#82
I can't tell what's going on in that clip at all. I don't see how anyone could base a judgement on
NewDeal_Dem
Dec 2014
#223
There's been a second angle released that shows what could have been a cell phone
justiceischeap
Dec 2014
#31
Huh? If you look at the video, the 'screen' in the screen cap is a circle of light from a flashlight
X_Digger
Dec 2014
#51
An alternative theory could be that he attempted to fire but failed, in the heat of the moment,
GGJohn
Dec 2014
#131
this is the best angle I've seen, the young man raises phone or gun cop pulls his gun shoots tire wh
juxtaposed
Dec 2014
#137
Did I start a thread EMOTIONALLY insisting it ISNT a gun? no, but that is what we have here
randys1
Dec 2014
#42
Public servants? You mean cops, and certain groups of people can have that luxury
randys1
Dec 2014
#49
I mean that the thousands of people who put their lives on the line to protect others
LincolnsLeftHand
Dec 2014
#71
Well said I agree 100%, if that is how it went down. But there are some here that
doc03
Dec 2014
#58
The body cams and car cams are going to be one fucking huge waste of money. HUGE. n/t
djean111
Dec 2014
#85
Because of recent events, my initial reaction to stories like this is skepticism
tularetom
Dec 2014
#79
How come the police in other civilized countries do not shoot suspects to death even
sabrina 1
Dec 2014
#139
So the officer was supposed to wait to see if the guy was going to shoot or not?
GGJohn
Dec 2014
#141
Yeah, in the US that IS the only possible option that occurs to the police. Shoot first, never, ever
sabrina 1
Dec 2014
#145
If it was not an ambush, why call it one? Any time someone has "bad intentions", does
uppityperson
Dec 2014
#152
Why don't you show us where in the video the cop jumped out of his car guns ablazing?
GGJohn
Dec 2014
#191
I wasn't referring to this one incident, I was referring to the number of other incidents
sabrina 1
Dec 2014
#208
Yes, it was badly written. I was thinking of the other incident, but did conflate the two.
sabrina 1
Dec 2014
#214
You may be correct, but I seldom see someone takes such joy in someone dying. Nt
Logical
Dec 2014
#146
A "gun" with a glowing LCD screen? That seems to have disappeared from the crime scene
baldguy
Dec 2014
#220
What is that cop's name and was he tested for steroids or meth after the shooting? - nt
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2014
#187
In case he was operating 'under the influence' during the encounter with
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2014
#192
The fact that he shot first and never asked questions. Doesn't make me think 'he was' (your
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2014
#195
You can tell looking at that video that what you are seeing is a gun in that mans hand.
SomethingFishy
Dec 2014
#224
Gun or not aren't most if not all police shootings found to be justified?
damnedifIknow
Dec 2014
#230
That CLEARLY negates all the unarmed black kids murdered by cops, now doesn't it?
GGJohn
Dec 2014
#237
So you don't believe the several witnesses, again, including the guy who was with him
GGJohn
Dec 2014
#251
You know as well as I do that facts won't matter if the person doesn't want them.
Action_Patrol
Dec 2014
#256