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CJCRANE

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43. The point is not whether he is "evil" or not.

Fri Dec 26, 2014, 12:44 AM

Dec 2014

This is just a neocon technique designed to justify confrontation of one sort or another, which we've already seen in the cases of Iraq, Libya and Syria.

The politics of personal demonization serve only to instill an almost blind and vindictive rage, as it's designed to. Reason flies out the window and anything becomes justified. The results of this channeling are always negative as we've seen in the aftermath of Iraq, Libya and Syria.

Far better to hold your nerve and not let the MSM and neocons manipulate your emotions to their own ends.

Even worse, we now see the same techniques used to pit Americans against each other. Yet through the fog of emotion many can't see that they're being used.

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Forget 'evil' Putin - we are the bloodthirsty warmongers [View all] Karmadillo Dec 2014 OP

"Pro-Putinn/taccusations in 3,2,1..... eridani Dec 2014 #1

You won't get any from me. Putin is an asshole who should be standing trial at the Hague. . Initech Dec 2014 #33

I wish you well in all of your efforts to make DU see how wonderful Putin is. zappaman Dec 2014 #2

You should read the column before commenting. Karmadillo Dec 2014 #17

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #51

"Stupid, ill-informed people nowadays like to compare Mr Putin with Hitler. I warn them-- eridani Dec 2014 #68

Keep trying. n/t zappaman Dec 2014 #70

Really! I think using the right-wing DAILY MAIL as a club to convince us is a particularly unique MADem Dec 2014 #130

It was bred into many at an early age RobertEarl Dec 2014 #3

Fortunately the younger generation wasn't subjected to that. World travel and the internet has sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #44

That was hatred for all things communist. Russian had little to do with it. But Russian communism NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #46

It was not treestar Dec 2014 #112

"Since 1989, Moscow, the supposed aggressor, has – without fighting or losing a war" EX500rider Dec 2014 #4

Don't let facts get in the way nt Duckhunter935 Dec 2014 #15

I see your Georgia and Chechyna, and raise you Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia, Iraq, Iraq again... Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #22

Yes, those were wrong. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #25

Article wasn't about the US...but it did claim the Russians had been in no wars...BS EX500rider Dec 2014 #32

Chechnya yes, Georgia was a different story. McCain and his far right buddies thought sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #45

"I see some people here on the same page as the far right when in the past" NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #47

"Moles" implies subtlety Scootaloo Dec 2014 #77

Such a wonderful peaceful sharp_stick Dec 2014 #5

He didn't find a hero. Igel Dec 2014 #8

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #52

So is Bush Sr also a CIA piece of shit? NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #48

Yes he is. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #61

Based on the official record, yes. Octafish Dec 2014 #80

I happen to know that the Republican Party is in love with this KGB agent NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #76

One-or-the-other "thought" *and* a Daily Fail link. Well done. (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2014 #6

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And what about specifically since Putin came to power in 1999? mythology Dec 2014 #9

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Citing a far-right winger to pimp a far-rightwing authoritarian thug. geek tragedy Dec 2014 #10

Right-wing asshats love them their Putin... SidDithers Dec 2014 #13

My right-wing nephew thinks Putin is a great guy and a wonderful leader! greatauntoftriplets Dec 2014 #55

It's not a corner, it's a sockpuppet pustule. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #60

I also love the irony LordGlenconner Dec 2014 #87

Such... zappaman Dec 2014 #97

No kidding gopiscrap Dec 2014 #11

"Stupid, ill-informed people nowadays like to compare Mr Putin with Hitler." NuclearDem Dec 2014 #12

You know how they spin it no longer surprises me malaise Dec 2014 #14

Putin cherokeeprogressive Dec 2014 #16

Genius! zappaman Dec 2014 #18

What a pack of demented Kremlin bullshit. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #19

You are ignoring the fact that an entire section of the Ukraine has gone and elected truedelphi Dec 2014 #27

This is a liberal website. Not a place to post fascist Big Lies straight from Moscow. True Blue Door Dec 2014 #59

OH Please, you haven't even been here 18 months. truedelphi Dec 2014 #74

Now you're going to argue seniority, because your lies are transparent? True Blue Door Dec 2014 #75

lol Hail Putin! chrisa Dec 2014 #20

Don't bait the jingoists! It only riles them up. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #21

I won't read Peter Hitchens on Christmas, that's something akin to a black mass I think. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #23

It's the same MIC that is now turning on Americans and dividing them against each other CJCRANE Dec 2014 #24

+100 I doubt most of those cheering are being pushed down here though. NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #49

And Joe Biden's son sits on the board of directors of truedelphi Dec 2014 #26

I had no idea Putin had been in control since 1989. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #28

Chechnya wanted to go under Putin's rule. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #31

Putin belongs in a Batman movie Ernesto Dec 2014 #29

How members of the Nobel Peace Prize committee overlooked Vladimir Putin is a total mystery..... Rowdyboy Dec 2014 #30

I'll compare Putin to Hitler all I want if he's going to murder my people just like Hitler did. DemocraticWing Dec 2014 #34

Dear Karmadillo... truth2power Dec 2014 #35

... SidDithers Dec 2014 #36

Once...just once, Sid... truth2power Dec 2014 #39

t2p… you know the answer to that is his next response... MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #89

Oh, bullshit. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #37

Much as I hate to engage in a drive-by... truth2power Dec 2014 #38

Ask for your paycheck early. The ruble's crumbling fast. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #40

Should have negotiated that contract in Euro! nt MADem Dec 2014 #131

What part of that reply was a "fail"? zappaman Dec 2014 #41

Insufficient tongue bathing for that piece of fascist crap, I guess. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #42

Hmmm..."Tongue bathing" and "sack". Makes sense, I suppose. But seriously... truth2power Dec 2014 #66

That thought didn't even cross my mind. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #67

Re: "That thought" etc... truth2power Dec 2014 #72

Ok... truth2power Dec 2014 #71

I don't think you're committed to gay rights at all. DemocraticWing Dec 2014 #103

But...but...DADT! NuclearDem Dec 2014 #105

Oh good God, the whataboutisms. This almost isn't even worth replying to. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #104

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #54

Wonderful post Boreal Dec 2014 #50

Well stated, "truth2power" KoKo Dec 2014 #62

Just ask yourself NuclearDem Dec 2014 #63

Your comment makes no sense... KoKo Dec 2014 #64

It's really very simple. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #65

Your Reply still makes No Sense if you are old enough to watch Decades KoKo Dec 2014 #99

Actually, that's my point. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #100

Your replies reflect a sense of disingenuous Irony or perhaps Hypocrisy is a better word? KoKo Dec 2014 #101

What hypocrisy is that exactly? NuclearDem Dec 2014 #102

Russia, Cuba and the truth about Putin the U.S. media doesn’t want you to know KoKo Dec 2014 #132

Nailed it... SidDithers Dec 2014 #73

RT could run a story claiming Kiev is buying yellowcake from Niger NuclearDem Dec 2014 #106

It saddens me daily that so many here look for the worst from Russia and Putin. snappyturtle Dec 2014 #129

Thanks, Snappy. It's good to know that there are a few DUers who get it. n/t truth2power Dec 2014 #136

Thank you for the link. Excellent reading. Karmadillo Jan 2015 #144

The point is not whether he is "evil" or not. CJCRANE Dec 2014 #43

+100 NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #58

+100 G_j Dec 2014 #78

Putin is a neocon quite similar to his Bush/Cheney brothers. pampango Dec 2014 #56

I am sorry but I don't trust Putin at all. Given the opportunity opportunity he would invade hrmjustin Dec 2014 #57

+1 Jamaal510 Dec 2014 #81

I miss Hannah Bell...nt SidDithers Dec 2014 #69

kick. grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #79

Putin never lied Russia into war. Putin never tortured women and children. Octafish Dec 2014 #82

Whataboutism. Utterly irrelevant. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #83

So, you're saying Putin is like Lincoln. Octafish Dec 2014 #84

What Sherman did to Atlanta and other southern cities was despicable. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #85

The extraction industries are quite profitable. Ask Condoleeza Rice. Octafish Dec 2014 #86

That they are. And to keep Rusneft and Gazprom profitable NuclearDem Dec 2014 #88

Good. So now you see why I don't like being called a ''propagandist.'' Octafish Dec 2014 #90

No, that point still stands. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #91

No, what's wrong is apologizing for NAZI behavior on the part of America's leaders. Octafish Dec 2014 #92

Thank you for making my point for me. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #93

Forget it, he's rolling...nt SidDithers Dec 2014 #94

!!! zappaman Dec 2014 #96

So, all you got is ad hominem. Octafish Dec 2014 #110

Are you my personal minder dude, Octafish of DU? zappaman Dec 2014 #118

Is there an original thought in your head, zappaman? Octafish Dec 2014 #121

Yes. zappaman Dec 2014 #122

There's nothing funny about the assassination of President Kennedy. Octafish Dec 2014 #134

No, but it's funny reading your ludicrous theories on it! zappaman Dec 2014 #135

What ''ludicrous theories?'' Octafish Dec 2014 #137

The ones where you implicate 4 presidents and countless individuals with the exception of zappaman Dec 2014 #138

Here's what I've written about George Herbert Walker Bush and the assassination of President Kennedy Octafish Dec 2014 #140

So? zappaman Dec 2014 #141

No links. Just your say so. Nice. Octafish Dec 2014 #142

So? zappaman Dec 2014 #143

Still haven't shown where I'm wrong, siddithers of DU. Octafish Dec 2014 #108

Of course it has no bearing on the post. zappaman Dec 2014 #95

Tag Team. Octafish Dec 2014 #109

Because you say so doesn't make it so. Octafish Dec 2014 #107

What bearing does the US invasion of Iraq have on Russia's crimes? NuclearDem Dec 2014 #111

Russia didn't attack anybody. The USA did and does. Octafish Dec 2014 #113

Again, what bearing does it have? NuclearDem Dec 2014 #115

Read the thread title. Octafish Dec 2014 #119

...after an invasion by Russian forces. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #125

Russia didn't attack anybody? treestar Dec 2014 #116

Whatever happened to that report on the MH17 shoot-down we were promised? Octafish Dec 2014 #120

Alien attack is the most likely explanation. zappaman Dec 2014 #123

And Russia thinks we're fucking stupid enough to think NuclearDem Dec 2014 #126

Well, not everyone is that fucking stupid. zappaman Dec 2014 #128

That BS was amazing treestar Dec 2014 #133

Russia did NOT invade Iraq after NY and Washington were attacked on 9/11 zappaman Dec 2014 #98

+1 and it's silly because when Russia was attacked by terrorists treestar Dec 2014 #117

I wouldn't be too sure of that treestar Dec 2014 #114

Yeah, but America is worse. zappaman Dec 2014 #124

Economy may be bad, but he still has money to pay his shills apparently. HERVEPA Dec 2014 #127

Poor Vladimir Vladimirovich, he's just so misunderstood! stevenleser Dec 2014 #139