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Bobbie Jo

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59. All I have to see, right here

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Sat Dec 27, 2014, 11:27 PM

Dec 2014

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Did the emergence of Elvis Presley in the 1950s help or hinder progress of African [View all] Jetboy Dec 2014 OP

What the actual fuck? Sheldon Cooper Dec 2014 #1

An excellent question for the OP. MineralMan Dec 2014 #3

My words speak for themselves. Jetboy Dec 2014 #12

your words said Elvis got his love of Caddy's, Rolls and "bling" from blacks. uppityperson Dec 2014 #27

It is no secret that Elvis loved the style of hip black America circa late 40s Jetboy Dec 2014 #31

Are you proposing, that for black music to gain acceptance by whites... MrScorpio Dec 2014 #28

I think that Sam Phillips of Sun Records said something to that effect. Jetboy Dec 2014 #36

I figured as much. nt MrScorpio Dec 2014 #38

Do you think that history could've turned out differently Jetboy Dec 2014 #40

In that regard, perhaps these black artists should have been grateful to Elvis... MrScorpio Dec 2014 #47

Based on talent alone, plenty of black artists Jetboy Dec 2014 #49

Wow! A genuine admission that whites culturally appropriated black music MrScorpio Dec 2014 #51

That's the point of this thread! Jetboy Dec 2014 #58

Without Me -- Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #114

Rich People erpowers Dec 2014 #32

This is indeed true. Jetboy Dec 2014 #39

I've seen more depths in a driveway oil slick n/t Scootaloo Dec 2014 #126

so CatWoman Dec 2014 #52

I guess so. Sheldon Cooper Dec 2014 #56

Why don't you tell us what you MineralMan Dec 2014 #2

I think that Elvis was a fantastic artist who incorporated all of the Jetboy Dec 2014 #7

Have a look at some of the jewelry buried with European malaise Dec 2014 #4

Great find but in America, lots of extra bling is affiliated with Jetboy Dec 2014 #15

No I did not have to dig to find that n/t malaise Dec 2014 #18

That's usually where you find dead people Jetboy Dec 2014 #23

he also never heard of Liberace CatWoman Dec 2014 #53

Or Hank Williams!! Jetboy Dec 2014 #60

let me guess CatWoman Dec 2014 #68

Shhhhhhhhhhhh! malaise Dec 2014 #108

You serious, Clark...? Earth_First Dec 2014 #5

How do people come up with this stuff? upaloopa Dec 2014 #6

Feel free to point out anything that is factually inaccurate. Jetboy Dec 2014 #8

Who first recorded "My Babe" ? upaloopa Dec 2014 #9

Since Willie Dixon appropriated that song from an earlier gospel song Jetboy Dec 2014 #17

what black people did he get his penchant for "over-the-top jewelry and big, fancy, tricked-out uppityperson Dec 2014 #11

Wynonie Harris for one. Jetboy Dec 2014 #13

For glitz look to Liberace. Downwinder Dec 2014 #19

Very true! Jetboy Dec 2014 #26

flamboyant excess both on and off stage, Downwinder Dec 2014 #30

link? looking through photos I see neither of those. If he did, that is 1, which others? uppityperson Dec 2014 #21

I don't know for a fact where Elvis got his penchant for big fancy Jetboy Dec 2014 #29

Then please do not claim he got his love of "over the top jewelry and big fancy tricked out cars" uppityperson Dec 2014 #34

Please do not tell me what to do. Jetboy Dec 2014 #42

if I see racism, I am going to point it out and claiming "black people like tricked out caddys, uppityperson Dec 2014 #48

If you're going to parse then my exact words were: Jetboy Dec 2014 #50

Nope. Copy pasted from your op, THESE are your exact words... uppityperson Dec 2014 #54

I will own that thank you very much. Jetboy Dec 2014 #62

I am done with you. I am pointing out racism and you are trying to deflect with straw men uppityperson Dec 2014 #65

You got nothing but a straw man. Jetboy Dec 2014 #66

copy pasting your stereotype is a "strawman"? OK, now you are getting silly. eom. uppityperson Dec 2014 #67

Think is a word. Jetboy Dec 2014 #70

Did the emergence of Joan Baez in the 1950s help or hinder progress of African Downwinder Dec 2014 #10

Joan Baez was not well known until the early 1960s. Jetboy Dec 2014 #22

Did Joan Baez help or hinder John Prine upaloopa Dec 2014 #37

This post and others like yours are an embarassment for intelligent human beings. boston bean Dec 2014 #14

How about pointing out why? Jetboy Dec 2014 #16

It had to have helped madokie Dec 2014 #20

That's kind of what I was thinking too. Jetboy Dec 2014 #71

"over-the-top jewelry and big, fancy tricked out Caddys" Dreamer Tatum Dec 2014 #24

Nah- more like music genre specific stereotype. Jetboy Dec 2014 #43

How do you get to call other people upaloopa Dec 2014 #45

Did chef boyardee steal the soul of Italian cooking or is it an homage to the noodle. Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #25

I WONDER how many people remember CHUN KING? yuiyoshida Dec 2014 #106

That was not... AsahinaKimi Dec 2014 #107

Oh, I remember Chun King. I ate my share of it as MineralMan Dec 2014 #115

Its whats happens when yuiyoshida Dec 2014 #116

I grew up in a small town in California, and MineralMan Dec 2014 #117

wow! yuiyoshida Dec 2014 #136

I also ate a lot of Chun King when I was a teenager. RebelOne Dec 2014 #124

Obama being elected has driven white folks right straight out of their minds randys1 Dec 2014 #33

What does that mean? upaloopa Dec 2014 #35

A thread about Elvis and jewelry and cadillacs, somehow tied to the whole Black thing, dont you randys1 Dec 2014 #41

I think most of the problems are in the minds upaloopa Dec 2014 #44

Like if someone sees racism, points it out, they are the ones that are the racists? randys1 Dec 2014 #46

no the problem is folks on here always ready to defend racist nonsense rbrnmw Dec 2014 #76

Where is the racism in my OP? Jetboy Dec 2014 #90

because gaudy jewelry and big fancy tricked out cars is an inaccurate stereotype. Is that really uppityperson Dec 2014 #95

I said black HIP HOP artists favor those things. Jetboy Dec 2014 #97

No, you said Elvis got his penchant for those from "black people". READ your op. uppityperson Dec 2014 #102

Elvis borrowed from black music and style- I think we're all in agreement on that. Jetboy Dec 2014 #105

You continue to miss the difference between "his music was influenced by other musicians" vs uppityperson Dec 2014 #120

ROFL malaise Dec 2014 #125

THIS THREAD CatWoman Dec 2014 #55

Thanks for adding some much needed intelligence to it! Jetboy Dec 2014 #63

you're very welcome. CatWoman Dec 2014 #64

Way too kind malaise Dec 2014 #109

Wow. Just wow. On DU BumRushDaShow Dec 2014 #57

Between your user name and PE logo, I am guessing that Jetboy Dec 2014 #104

Elvis was considered by his own southern white community BumRushDaShow Dec 2014 #110

I appreciate your perspective and the information you provided. Jetboy Dec 2014 #131

All I have to see, right here Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #59

Jeez cyberswede Dec 2014 #72

Goodness. bravenak Dec 2014 #74

yep rbrnmw Dec 2014 #78

For real. bravenak Dec 2014 #81

Elvis "OG'd" CatWoman Dec 2014 #82

I love that movie. bravenak Dec 2014 #83

LMAO rbrnmw Dec 2014 #85

those were pretty racist times so treestar Dec 2014 #61

But is it really that simple? Jetboy Dec 2014 #69

Elvis might have been Melungeon Kalidurga Dec 2014 #73

The best answers are here BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #75

A sincere THANK YOU! Jetboy Dec 2014 #77

I was going to save that for his 80th birthday BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #79

I am one of them. Jetboy Dec 2014 #86

I thank you for opening this discussion BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #88

I wish I had posted that video in the OP. And it's Jetboy Dec 2014 #92

Elvis was about cultural augmentation, not appropriation BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #113

He stole the music plain and simple. I think Public Enemy summed up my feelings best about elvis on craigmatic Dec 2014 #80

Chuck D has flat out said he was wrong about Elvis. Jetboy Dec 2014 #84

Little Richard had it right BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #87

Pretty much destroys the "Elvis Was A Racist" crowd with the facts Elwood P Dowd Dec 2014 #99

No it doesn't just because prominent blacks say it doesn't mean others have to agree. craigmatic Dec 2014 #123

If you want to tag Elvis with being a racist, then you Jetboy Dec 2014 #134

Let's see he stole black music and dances without giving credit for it in white publications and craigmatic Dec 2014 #138

Except the one guy whose lyrics you quoted is on the record as admiring Elvis BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #135

No n/t Lil Missy Dec 2014 #89

I would like to thank Elvis for introducing me to MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #91

But Thornton's big hit, Hound Dog Retrograde Dec 2014 #93

And if you listen to the records, Elvis' is clearly a cover of the Jetboy Dec 2014 #94

I hate these kinds of theoretical-can't-ever-be-answered queries. WinkyDink Dec 2014 #96

I actually agree. History unfolded as it happened and there really is no Jetboy Dec 2014 #98

Weird AgingAmerican Dec 2014 #100

Whites appropriating black culture has been a hot topic lately. Jetboy Dec 2014 #101

Thanks for the post Jetboy. Elwood P Dowd Dec 2014 #103

It is a weird thing to get bent over AgingAmerican Dec 2014 #122

A black acquaintance said pretty much all of this to me once. FirstClassTicket Dec 2014 #111

Chuck D seems to thinks so and I tend to agree ChosenUnWisely Dec 2014 #112

Muhammad Ali and Elvis were friends MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #118

You are totally wrong and so was Chuck D. He changed his tune later when he found out Elwood P Dowd Dec 2014 #121

This thread is incredibly illustrative of today's DU. MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #119

Good post, but the bling part is garbage. HERVEPA Dec 2014 #127

I like "expanded" Retrograde Dec 2014 #129

I'm good with that. HERVEPA Dec 2014 #130

Thank you very much! Jetboy Dec 2014 #132

Elvis and Buddy Holly were able to expose some of the "black" music that racist station managers Doctor_J Dec 2014 #128

I don't think so JonLP24 Dec 2014 #133

It's the nouveau riche syndrome. Quasimodem Dec 2014 #137

Culture does not belong to any 'race' ... BUT brindis_desala Dec 2014 #139