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Octafish

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Mon Dec 29, 2014, 03:09 PM
Dec 2014

I've written dozens of posts on the assassination. Where did I implicate LBJ?



Kennedy Military Aide: LBJ Hid in Bathroom, Cried After JFK Assassination.

Steven M. Gillon
Resident historian of the History Channel
Huffington Post

This month will mark the 46th anniversary of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. A recently declassified oral history by Brigadier General Godfrey McHugh, President Kennedy's military aide on the Dallas trip, sheds new light on the critical hours after the shooting. McHugh makes startling claims about Lyndon Johnson's behavior in the wake of the assassination.

The interview with McHugh, originally conducted for the John F. Kennedy Library in 1978, remained closed for 31 years. It was finally declassified in the spring of 2009. I just happened to be working at the Kennedy Library on the day the interview was opened to the public and have used it for the first time in my new book, The Kennedy Assassination -- 24 Hours After.

After being informed at Parkland Hospital that Kennedy was dead, Johnson raced back to Air Force One, where he waited for Mrs. Kennedy and the body of the slain president, and made preparations to take the Oath of Office. Back at the hospital, the Kennedy group loaded the body into a coffin, forced their way past a local justice of the peace, and hurried back to Love Field for the long ride back to Washington.

It was standard practice for the plane to take off as soon as the commander-in-chief was onboard. Even after McHugh had ordered the pilot to take off, however, "nothing happened." According to the newly declassified transcript, Mrs. Kennedy was becoming desperate to leave. "Mrs. Kennedy was getting very warm, she had blood all over her hat, her coat...his brains were sticking on her hat. It was dreadful," McHugh said. She pleaded with him to get the plane off the ground. "Please, let's leave," she said. McHugh jumped up and used the phone near the rear compartment to call Captain James Swindal. "Let's leave," he said. Swindal responded: "I can't do it. I have orders to wait." Not wanting to make a scene in front of Mrs. Kennedy, McHugh rushed to the front of the plane. "Swindal, what on earth is going on?" The pilot told him that "the President wants to remain in this area."

CONTINUED...



What I've written on Ford:



Gerald Ford's Terrible Fiction

Moving the Back Wound and the Single Bullet Theory

As a member of the Warren Commission that investigated the 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy, Gerald R. Ford, then a Michigan congressman, suggested that the panel change its initial description of the bullet wound in Kennedy's back to place it higher up in his body. On another page he also added "hurriedly" to the description of how the assassin walked away from the scene. (click on images to inlarge)

Read Gerald Ford's correction to the Warren Commission Report Draft:

page 1 page 2

The change, critics said, may have been intended to support the controversial theory that a single bullet struck Kennedy from behind, exited his neck and then wounded Texas Gov. John Connally. The Warren Commission relied on it heavily in concluding that Lee Harvey Oswald was Kennedy's lone assassin, firing from the Texas School Book Depository, above and behind the president.

Ford's handwritten editing, revealed in newly disclosed papers kept by the commission's general counsel, was accepted with a slight change.

The final report said: "A bullet had entered the base of the back of his neck slightly to the right of his spine." A small change," said Ford on Wednesday, one intended to clarify meaning, not alter history.

"My changes had nothing to do with a conspiracy theory," he said.
"My changes were only an attempt to be more precise."

The initial draft of the report stated: "A bullet had entered his back at a point slightly above the shoulder to the right of the spine."

Ford wanted it to read:"A bullet had entered the back of his neck slightly to the right of the spine."


CONTINUED with photos and original documents...

http://www.jfklancer.com/Ford-Rankin.html



So, in order for the magic bullet to work, Jerry Ford had to move the location of President Kennedy's wounds to line up. That's dishonest, at best.

In addition to serving on the Warren Commission, Gerald Ford would later become the first unelected president of the United States, remembered as the man who pardoned Nixon and kept all the dirty laundry out of court and the public eye. Odd how often he turn up to help the secret state.

What I've written on Nixon:

His source was the White House tapes: Nixon OK'd assigning a murderous Secret Service agent to protect Sen. Ted Kennedy. The agent chosen had told Haldeman that he would "kill anyone on your or the president's command" to "watch over" Ted Kennedy.

You can hear Nixon and Haldeman discuss it, about 40 minutes into the HBO documentary "Nixon by Nixon." While I had read the part of the transcript available years ago, and wrote about it on DU, almost no one I know has heard anything about it.



Ted Kennedy survived Richard Nixon's Plots

By Don Fulsom

In September 1972, Nixon’s continued political fear, personal loathing, and jealously of Kennedy led him to plant a spy in Kennedy’s Secret Service detail.

The mole Nixon selected for the Kennedy camp was already being groomed. He was a former agent from his Nixon’s vice presidential detail, Robert Newbrand—a man so loyal he once pledged he would do anything—even kill—for Nixon.

The President was most interested in learning about the Sen. Kennedy’s sex life. He wanted, more than anything, stated Haldeman in The Ends of Power, to “catch (Kennedy) in the sack with one of his babes.”

In a recently transcribed tape of a September 8, 1972 talk among the President and aides Bob Haldeman and Alexander Butterfield, Nixon asks whether Secret Service chief James Rowley would appoint Newbrand to head Kennedy’s detail:

Haldeman: He's to assign Newbrand.

President Nixon: Does he understand that he's to do that?

Butterfield: He's effectively already done it. And we have a full force assigned, 40 men.

Haldeman: I told them to put a big detail on him (unclear).

President Nixon: A big detail is correct. One that can cover him around the clock, every place he goes. (Laughter obscures mixed voices.)

President Nixon: Right. No, that's really true. He has got to have the same coverage that we give the others, because we're concerned about security and we will not assume the responsibility unless we're with him all the time.

Haldeman: And Amanda Burden (one of Kennedy’s alleged girlfriends) can't be trusted. (Unclear.) You never know what she might do. (Unclear.)

Haldeman then assures the President that Newbrand “will do anything that I tell him to … He really will. And he has come to me twice and absolutely, sincerely said, "With what you've done for me and what the President's done for me, I just want you to know, if you want someone killed, if you want anything else done, any way, any direction …"

President Nixon: The thing that I (unclear) is this: We just might get lucky and catch this son-of-a-bitch and ruin him for '76.

Haldeman: That's right.

President Nixon: He doesn't know what he's really getting into. We're going to cover him, and we are not going to take "no" for an answer. He can't say "no." The Kennedys are arrogant as hell with these Secret Service. He says, "Fine," and (Newbrand) should pick the detail, too.


Toward the end of this conversation, Nixon exclaims that Newbrand’s spying “(is) going to be fun,” and Haldeman responds: “Newbrand will just love it.”

Nixon also had a surveillance tip for Haldeman for his spy-to-be: “I want you to tell Newbrand if you will that (unclear) because he's a Catholic, sort of play it, he was for Jack Kennedy all the time. Play up to Kennedy, that "I'm a great admirer of Jack Kennedy." He's a member of the Holy Name Society. He wears a St. Christopher (unclear).” Haldeman laughs heartily at the President’s curious advice.

Despite the enthusiasm of Nixon and Haldeman, Newbrand apparently never produced anything of great value. When this particular round of Nixon’s spying on Kennedy was uncovered in 1997, The Washington Post quoted Butterfield as saying periodic reports on Kennedy's activities were delivered to Haldeman, but that Butterfield did not think any potentially damaging information was ever dug up.

SOURCE:

http://surftofind.com/tedkennedy



Why does that matter? The Warren Commission, and the nation's mass media, never heard about the CIA-Mafia plots to kill Castro until the Church Committee in 1975. You'd think that would be a matter of concern to all Americans, especially considering how then-vice president Nixon was head of the "White House Action Team" that contacted the Mafia for murder.

This is the sort of information citizens of a democracy shouldn't have to search the Internet to learn. It should be taught in school, or at the least, discussed in the nation's mass media. It's why people come to DU to learn.

Almost forgot: Even with GOOGLE, I can't find anything worth reading that you've posted about the assassination, zappaman. You wouldn't happen to have a link showing where you actually contribute something worth reading?

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Putin never lied Russia into war. Putin never tortured women and children. Octafish Dec 2014 #82
Whataboutism. Utterly irrelevant. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #83
So, you're saying Putin is like Lincoln. Octafish Dec 2014 #84
What Sherman did to Atlanta and other southern cities was despicable. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #85
The extraction industries are quite profitable. Ask Condoleeza Rice. Octafish Dec 2014 #86
That they are. And to keep Rusneft and Gazprom profitable NuclearDem Dec 2014 #88
Good. So now you see why I don't like being called a ''propagandist.'' Octafish Dec 2014 #90
No, that point still stands. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #91
No, what's wrong is apologizing for NAZI behavior on the part of America's leaders. Octafish Dec 2014 #92
Thank you for making my point for me. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #93
Forget it, he's rolling...nt SidDithers Dec 2014 #94
!!! zappaman Dec 2014 #96
So, all you got is ad hominem. Octafish Dec 2014 #110
Are you my personal minder dude, Octafish of DU? zappaman Dec 2014 #118
Is there an original thought in your head, zappaman? Octafish Dec 2014 #121
Yes. zappaman Dec 2014 #122
There's nothing funny about the assassination of President Kennedy. Octafish Dec 2014 #134
No, but it's funny reading your ludicrous theories on it! zappaman Dec 2014 #135
What ''ludicrous theories?'' Octafish Dec 2014 #137
The ones where you implicate 4 presidents and countless individuals with the exception of zappaman Dec 2014 #138
Here's what I've written about George Herbert Walker Bush and the assassination of President Kennedy Octafish Dec 2014 #140
So? zappaman Dec 2014 #141
No links. Just your say so. Nice. Octafish Dec 2014 #142
So? zappaman Dec 2014 #143
Still haven't shown where I'm wrong, siddithers of DU. Octafish Dec 2014 #108
Of course it has no bearing on the post. zappaman Dec 2014 #95
Tag Team. Octafish Dec 2014 #109
Because you say so doesn't make it so. Octafish Dec 2014 #107
What bearing does the US invasion of Iraq have on Russia's crimes? NuclearDem Dec 2014 #111
Russia didn't attack anybody. The USA did and does. Octafish Dec 2014 #113
Again, what bearing does it have? NuclearDem Dec 2014 #115
Read the thread title. Octafish Dec 2014 #119
...after an invasion by Russian forces. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #125
Russia didn't attack anybody? treestar Dec 2014 #116
Whatever happened to that report on the MH17 shoot-down we were promised? Octafish Dec 2014 #120
Alien attack is the most likely explanation. zappaman Dec 2014 #123
And Russia thinks we're fucking stupid enough to think NuclearDem Dec 2014 #126
Well, not everyone is that fucking stupid. zappaman Dec 2014 #128
That BS was amazing treestar Dec 2014 #133
Russia did NOT invade Iraq after NY and Washington were attacked on 9/11 zappaman Dec 2014 #98
+1 and it's silly because when Russia was attacked by terrorists treestar Dec 2014 #117
I wouldn't be too sure of that treestar Dec 2014 #114
Yeah, but America is worse. zappaman Dec 2014 #124
Economy may be bad, but he still has money to pay his shills apparently. HERVEPA Dec 2014 #127
Poor Vladimir Vladimirovich, he's just so misunderstood! stevenleser Dec 2014 #139
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