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81. I'm not going to debate the legitimacy of that claim

Sat Jan 3, 2015, 06:42 AM

Jan 2015

As I don't think there's clear evidence for a threat one way or another, but if we are to accept that he or his family is being threatened, at what point does the president (or anyone in a position of power) have a responsibility to the country he was elected to serve? Hurting millions to protect a few is unnacceptable to me. Being president comes with risks, and no matter how hard the decision may be, you need to be able to fight for the good of the populace. People have laid down their lives for civil rights, for union rights, for many things. I would argue that holding the office of the presidency means that you need to be willing to do the same, because of the power that comes with the office. Though a vote one way may protect your family, it cannot come at the expense of thousands or millions of other families.

Of course, this entire discussion is pointless if the president is not actually being threatened, so make of that what you will.

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Aw Crap... We All (Most Of Us) Stand By Barack Obama, BUT... When He's Wrong, We Will Say So... [View all] WillyT Jan 2015 OP

i agree with you samsingh Jan 2015 #1

Those That Disagree Are The Real Problem billhicks76 Jan 2015 #61

You got that right. 840high Jan 2015 #126

please put a giant picture of Obama in your OP Enrique Jan 2015 #2

. liberal_at_heart Jan 2015 #72

Do you agree with the OP or not? Should we just blindly support those elected officials sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #74

I'm not completely sure but I think they were being sarcastic. It is usually those who liberal_at_heart Jan 2015 #75

Lol, well they truly have underestimated the intelligence of the average voter! sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #76

I was surprised he had his shirt on. Jamastiene Jan 2015 #82

! Phlem Jan 2015 #91

That's the third time I've seen the joke. now I know I'm missing a reference, and am feeling left ou Scootaloo Jan 2015 #128

Here marym625 Jan 2015 #130

THAT... Is A Great Pic !!! WillyT Jan 2015 #131

Thanks! marym625 Jan 2015 #132

Criticizing him is fine, as long as the criticism doesn't contain lies and distortions. pnwmom Jan 2015 #3

+1 criticism is not always valid merely because it is criticism treestar Jan 2015 #7

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #42

What do you mean" JDPriestly Jan 2015 #57

Crickets... WillyT Jan 2015 #59

Do you really want a discussion ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #60

Ok lets have the discussion bahrbearian Jan 2015 #102

All I have is this ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #105

So like everyone here you have no details. bahrbearian Jan 2015 #106

I have the US government's negotiating position ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #112

Are you on board with fast track? Deny and Shred Jan 2015 #113

Yep ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #115

You have confidence in those Republican-chaired committees Deny and Shred Jan 2015 #117

Nope ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #121

I think you make some great and valid points. Hubert Flottz Jan 2015 #64

Do you think ANY complaints are valid??? nt Logical Jan 2015 #101

Of course. But not ones with global and personal attacks. For example, pnwmom Jan 2015 #108

Yes, because I am objective that way treestar Jan 2015 #118

you might as well link to that other thread... grasswire Jan 2015 #23

It's really just that simple. Bobbie Jo Jan 2015 #37

Nailed it Bobbie Jo! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #48

Good find, she Bobbie Jo Jan 2015 #49

Hon, you are welcome to it. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #54

me too? Stellar Jan 2015 #83

seriously. totally against TPP. and I'm not impressed by the 'tude---"I'm so anti-Obama BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2015 #98

Of course Roy Rolling Jan 2015 #104

I'm with you, my dear WillyT! CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2015 #4

I Love You... WillyT Jan 2015 #10

I understand! CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2015 #47

But you wouldn't resort to name calling, pnwmom Jan 2015 #17

But that name-calling, last time, made it to the Greatest Threads! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #44

No, I would not. I'm just not wired that way. CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2015 #46

Name calling is not "strong language." It is the breakdown of language. SunSeeker Jan 2015 #62

I don't think that name calling indicates hate. CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2015 #63

You don't think calling someone a P.O.S. indicates hate? nt SunSeeker Jan 2015 #65

You don't think calling him a POS indicates hate? pnwmom Jan 2015 #67

Jeezuz Phlem Jan 2015 #92

Agreed. Phlem Jan 2015 #94

Maybe that explains your unusual perspective. pnwmom Jan 2015 #97

Sure. Phlem Jan 2015 #99

Classy response Phlem LeftOfWest Jan 2015 #107

Thanks Left Phlem Jan 2015 #109

Same to you Phlem LeftOfWest Jan 2015 #110

Is this something that you find here often? MrMickeysMom Jan 2015 #120

It was in the post the OP was responding to, and CP's post 46 pnwmom Jan 2015 #122

Where do you see the post marym625 Jan 2015 #134

The OP here appears to be a response to this other one: pnwmom Jan 2015 #135

+1 marym625 Jan 2015 #133

Canvassed, phone banked, donated, voted... SomethingFishy Jan 2015 #5

WORD !!! WillyT Jan 2015 #11

Have you been calling the President a P.O.S. lately? pnwmom Jan 2015 #19

I was pretty much told that today marym625 Jan 2015 #68

And it so happens he is wrong all the time treestar Jan 2015 #6

I Don't Think So... I Like His Cuba Decision... His Immagration Decision... WillyT Jan 2015 #8

His education policies suck too. roody Jan 2015 #34

Tell Me About It... WillyT Jan 2015 #36

And infallible for others Deny and Shred Jan 2015 #114

It is a good thing to call out those in office which do things wrong. Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #9

Well you yourself once told me right here on GD... sheshe2 Jan 2015 #12

And I'll Just Restate The OP... WillyT Jan 2015 #15

Criticize fine, never praise without adding qualifiers for what he has done is not okay. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #25

"I'm Doing It As My Duty As A Citizen." WillyT Jan 2015 #32

No Willy, I linked to a comment. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #39

Do you realize how petty that is? Union Scribe Jan 2015 #86

And there's just way too much at stake which requires opposition. NOW. nt stillwaiting Jan 2015 #87

Exactly. nt Union Scribe Jan 2015 #88

So sheshe2 Jan 2015 #125

Oh, yes, I remember that. bravenak Jan 2015 #33

... sheshe2 Jan 2015 #40

Apparently I remember wrong? bravenak Jan 2015 #41

Has something in particular with the TPP happened in the last day? Why is GD suddenly BLANKETED Number23 Jan 2015 #45

Yes their contribution to racism were admirable and so vocal to the lives of black people. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #53

Cuz they suddenly realized that the XL pipeline, another red herring they sniveled about, is dead! Major Hogwash Jan 2015 #71

Nailed it. n/t zappaman Jan 2015 #73

Sad thing is the pipeline was never important to them. great white snark Jan 2015 #84

And it's truly funny to me is that they think that they are not obvious in exhibiting exactly the Number23 Jan 2015 #111

Exactly. Andy823 Jan 2015 #124

No kidding. I think we've been lucky to have him Warpy Jan 2015 #13

The fact that he is loads better than others doesnt mean we can hold him accountable. He will rhett o rick Jan 2015 #26

Nope, but I suspect Warpy Jan 2015 #29

Yes I agree. What a sad situation. nm rhett o rick Jan 2015 #31

I'm not going to debate the legitimacy of that claim F4lconF16 Jan 2015 #81

That's exactly how I feel, Warpy. LuvNewcastle Jan 2015 #50

There is no worse heresy than that the office sanctifies the holder of it. Lord Acton Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #14

Thank You... WillyT Jan 2015 #16

Another, also from Lord Acton Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #22

That... Is Pretty Much... Devastating !!! WillyT Jan 2015 #24

Yes. I saw the other posts that asked us to sign on without any qualification. He is my president jwirr Jan 2015 #18

WORD !!! WillyT Jan 2015 #21

"If You Don't Vote... You Don't Get To Complain." That's like telling people if they aren't a slave jtuck004 Jan 2015 #20

What a stupid analogy. Demit Jan 2015 #77

Agree. And most of us (not only voted but) worked our rear off to elect him, Faryn Balyncd Jan 2015 #27

I stand by Pres Obama but I have the right, no actually obligation to hold him rhett o rick Jan 2015 #28

Bingo !!! WillyT Jan 2015 #35

It is not. This is about TPP, right? roody Jan 2015 #30

Sort Of... WillyT Jan 2015 #38

I support ideas/ideals and actions, not people, not party. PowerToThePeople Jan 2015 #43

+100 840high Jan 2015 #127

Was taking care of parents for years........ pablo_marmol Jan 2015 #51

TTP is WRONG! Omaha Steve Jan 2015 #52

Complete Agreement Thespian2 Jan 2015 #55

Exactly where I stand Thanks for the post. on point Jan 2015 #56

+1 Martin Eden Jan 2015 #58

Me too, Willy T marym625 Jan 2015 #66

damn right we get to complain. liberal_at_heart Jan 2015 #69

What's the big deal? You can act like your Pandora. I do. lexington filly Jan 2015 #70

What we need to do is... kentuck Jan 2015 #78

I agree olddots Jan 2015 #79

"We will say so." Wrong. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #80

he's never wrong. Why is that so hard to understand ??? KG Jan 2015 #85

There will never be an elected official who you agree with 100%. Vinca Jan 2015 #89

That's CRUCIAL to a true democracy. We have the duty to say so if we disagree. DesertDiamond Jan 2015 #90

I agree with you to Willy T classykaren Jan 2015 #93

No one questions that. ElboRuum Jan 2015 #95

Clear, simple, easy to understand demwing Jan 2015 #96

If I was still an American I would have voted for him riverbendviewgal Jan 2015 #100

it's only hard to understand for the Tiger Beat club Skittles Jan 2015 #103

Only a mental pygmy or co-dependent moran would think or claim otherwise. stupidicus Jan 2015 #116

Twice, I say�. therefore, I say it as I should be said... MrMickeysMom Jan 2015 #119

Voted for Him x2 but dislike at least %50 of his policies and actions. Tommymac Jan 2015 #123

Next time we should run a guy (or gal) who isn't born-and-bred GOP. NO MORE bogus "Third Way" DINOS! blkmusclmachine Jan 2015 #129