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NightOwwl

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93. You know nothing about me and I know nothing about you.

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 09:13 PM

Jan 2015

But I believe we are both good people who want everyone to have a good life. We disagree on how to make that happen, but I'm not your enemy.

A government can be efficient and effective - but what I see is not a government. It is a playground for the wealthy. At the local level I believe there are people who actually want to do good for others. It's as you get to state and above that the corruption begins.

I am sorry you were offended by my use of the word 'scraps'. I meant that when there are so many available resources in this world, what is given to those in need is a tiny percentage while the rest of it goes to those who already have so much - and I find that disgusting.

If it makes you feel better, I was in a horrendous automobile accident when I was 20 years old. I've had to deal with the fallout - physical and monetary - my entire life.

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History is Religion for the Masses [View all] NightOwwl Jan 2015 OP

Personally, my religion is reality... brooklynite Jan 2015 #1

I think that's for everyone to figure out by themselves. NightOwwl Jan 2015 #10

But since we don't live alone, we create a world together. That's why we have the political process brooklynite Jan 2015 #17

We have a political process because it's been drummed into our heads NightOwwl Jan 2015 #22

So, given that we're in the real world with other people... brooklynite Jan 2015 #24

Welll, first you have to be willing to consider everything you think you know about yourself NightOwwl Jan 2015 #48

I'm not miserable at all. Why should I be? brooklynite Jan 2015 #51

If you are happy and content - that's great. NightOwwl Jan 2015 #78

Please realize... Oilwellian Jan 2015 #69

What is the precise and relevant objective evidence to support that allegation? LanternWaste Jan 2015 #27

That is what I see when I look at the world. NightOwwl Jan 2015 #50

Hence, no objective evidence. LanternWaste Jan 2015 #128

Tell me how someone who uses a power wheelchair thucythucy Jan 2015 #80

There are programs that help people - I agree. NightOwwl Jan 2015 #85

Nobody I know in the disability rights movement is "grateful for those scraps." thucythucy Jan 2015 #89

You know nothing about me and I know nothing about you. NightOwwl Jan 2015 #93

If, as you say, you know nothing about me thucythucy Jan 2015 #114

Thank you. I appreciate your response, and hope you will take the time to read my reply. NightOwwl Jan 2015 #119

The tagline at the end is great el_bryanto Jan 2015 #2

You added words to my statement to fit your comfort zone - NightOwwl Jan 2015 #18

I'm pretty comfortable just concluding you have either mistaken this for freshmen philosophy el_bryanto Jan 2015 #21

Dangerous? How so? NightOwwl Jan 2015 #42

Because you encourage apathy el_bryanto Jan 2015 #44

Not questioning can be just as dangerous. liberal_at_heart Jan 2015 #45

There's a difference between questioning and tearing the whole structure. nt el_bryanto Jan 2015 #46

That's how change takes place. Change takes tearing down structures. liberal_at_heart Jan 2015 #49

I agree with you that your daughter should challenge structures el_bryanto Jan 2015 #52

I guess we just see it differently. We cannot end apathy until we recognize the problem. liberal_at_heart Jan 2015 #56

Bryant your goal is, Bryant you think this, Bryant you want that. NightOwwl Jan 2015 #55

I suppose because I naively assumed your words gave an indication into your thought el_bryanto Jan 2015 #60

I say what I mean. Rather than assume, ask if you need clarification. NightOwwl Jan 2015 #64

Hey now, freshman philosophy tends to work to higher standards. (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2015 #58

Truly, you need to read more . . . Journeyman Jan 2015 #3

Truly, you need to question more. NightOwwl Jan 2015 #9

This message was self-deleted by its author Journeyman Jan 2015 #13

"Think more and listen less." Because you can never get enough of your own navel. LTX Jan 2015 #140

Is perceiving an unsupported premise as valid as a bumper sticker the same as "feeling threatened"? LanternWaste Jan 2015 #4

Big words don't impress. Intelligence does. NightOwwl Jan 2015 #8

What big words are you referring to? History? Premise? LanternWaste Jan 2015 #12

Big? Is? Posteritatis Jan 2015 #57

I am not telling others what and why to believe. NightOwwl Jan 2015 #59

dafuq NuclearDem Jan 2015 #5

"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it" Rowdyboy Jan 2015 #6

I don't need to remember the past to know what evil is. NightOwwl Jan 2015 #7

yours is the most adamant rationalization I've read at maintaining sub-literacy. LanternWaste Jan 2015 #14

'as you've (again) offered no supporting evidence to validate your premise' NightOwwl Jan 2015 #33

OK - i've worked it - you are a performance artist right? el_bryanto Jan 2015 #15

"I don't drink with you", part 2-- bigger, faster, dumber. LanternWaste Jan 2015 #16

You are the only one who can give your life meaning. NightOwwl Jan 2015 #34

Well put - so I'll go on giving my life meaning by supporting politicians who I think el_bryanto Jan 2015 #35

I have one request - NightOwwl Jan 2015 #82

Everything you are up to the present is a compilation of your past. Dont call me Shirley Jan 2015 #29

this is the type of thing I always hear from right wingers JI7 Jan 2015 #32

And the right thinks all left-wingers are lilly-livered socialists. NightOwwl Jan 2015 #37

Rational thought is taught-- not hatched from the imagination LanternWaste Jan 2015 #40

When you are required to say a pledge to your country on a daily basis... NightOwwl Jan 2015 #65

More allegations with a dramatic lack of objective sources. LanternWaste Jan 2015 #129

I'd just like to say that I was never required to say the pledge and each of my classes from K-6 Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #132

"History supplies little more than a list of people who have helped themselves Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #11

Thank you for that clarification :) NightOwwl Jan 2015 #26

Are you saying we shouldn't deal with the root causes of what's happening? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #31

No, that is not what I am saying. NightOwwl Jan 2015 #38

"And we never question any of it." That right there is the problem. liberal_at_heart Jan 2015 #39

Remember to not confuse history with Ron Green Jan 2015 #19

History is Nostalgia. Both have already happened, both only exist in our minds. NightOwwl Jan 2015 #25

Yes 'history and religion' as in totally ignoring the meaning and doing whatever the fuck Rex Jan 2015 #20

The message is always there, and it's quite simple. NightOwwl Jan 2015 #23

But it is not noise and distraction anymore, now it is part of our culture. We are all branded. Rex Jan 2015 #28

Really? You look in the mirror and see a brand? NightOwwl Jan 2015 #70

So you will now take control and fix things starting tomorrow? Rex Jan 2015 #74

This isn't some overnight fix. This is a complete shift. NightOwwl Jan 2015 #86

I remember learning about The fight for Texas Independence when I was in middle school. liberal_at_heart Jan 2015 #30

LOL: Step away from the bong.... FSogol Jan 2015 #36

I think I'm more offended by the banality of your critique. Bucky Jan 2015 #41

Wow. OK then. NightOwwl Jan 2015 #68

This is all you need to know about history: tritsofme Jan 2015 #43

It's cold inside the worm seveneyes Jan 2015 #47

I've seen inane, deeply ignorant dismissals of entire disciplines before.. Posteritatis Jan 2015 #53

I believe that's the same thing people said when they were told the earth was round. NightOwwl Jan 2015 #67

Well, there's another way to highlight how little you know about the topic, I suppose. (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2015 #71

You like George Carlin? NightOwwl Jan 2015 #72

The owners don't want well informed people capable of critical thinking. Damn George liberal_at_heart Jan 2015 #97

Belief Disconfirmation Paradigm NightOwwl Jan 2015 #100

What's maddening to me is that the reason so many are satisfied is because we currently liberal_at_heart Jan 2015 #103

Yep - If people looked at the policies that are implemented and the actions taken they might wake up NightOwwl Jan 2015 #107

People can feel when things are wrong especially when they can't put food on the table for liberal_at_heart Jan 2015 #110

Who the fuck is "defending the history books written by our owners"? thucythucy Jan 2015 #117

Way to piss all over the social sciences professions. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #131

It is true that the ruling class gets to write current history. It has happened since the liberal_at_heart Jan 2015 #136

Yeah, you are. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #138

...this is a joke, right? NuclearDem Jan 2015 #92

I'm dead serious. NightOwwl Jan 2015 #96

I think your posts are opiates for you yourself. LanternWaste Jan 2015 #130

George Carlin, being dead, is a historical figure, and as such is subjective and not factual. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #134

I'd say it's a joke, just not necessarily on purpose.. (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2015 #115

And the 'I hate history' poster cites history to attempt a point. And that ends all deba Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #133

It certainly takes talent Alittleliberal Jan 2015 #112

Have you noticed that nobody seems to agree with what you're saying? brooklynite Jan 2015 #54

I often don't agree with what you say, Quantess Jan 2015 #62

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect - Mark Twain NightOwwl Jan 2015 #63

And there you go, citing more history, going back to the Romans, as part of your 'history is without Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #135

Pot meet kettle nt Alittleliberal Jan 2015 #113

I freely admit that many people don't agree with me on a number of issues... brooklynite Jan 2015 #116

I get it. Quantess Jan 2015 #61

Thank you. NightOwwl Jan 2015 #66

Anyone who thinks "History is Religion for the Masses..." wyldwolf Jan 2015 #73

Please don't confuse your assumptions with my reality. NightOwwl Jan 2015 #75

Yours is the mirror of the Karl Marx quote wyldwolf Jan 2015 #76

Hey now, they could simply be rationalizing their complete ignorance of it instead. Posteritatis Jan 2015 #77

Very true wyldwolf Jan 2015 #79

One is ignorant when they accept everything they've ever been told as truth. NightOwwl Jan 2015 #81

"Nuh-uh! I don't need to think! I just know!" is the opposite of questioning things. (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2015 #84

Who are you talking about? NightOwwl Jan 2015 #90

So we shouldn't correct it when they get facts wrong about Native American history, or liberal_at_heart Jan 2015 #98

We can remember the past without letting it bog us down in the present. NightOwwl Jan 2015 #104

You know what is sad. My 16 year old autistic son is just getting to an age where he can liberal_at_heart Jan 2015 #105

check your inbox :) NightOwwl Jan 2015 #121

Bullshit. thucythucy Jan 2015 #83

Maybe you didn't see my reply to you above. NightOwwl Jan 2015 #87

I saw it thucythucy Jan 2015 #91

Please see #93 NightOwwl Jan 2015 #94

And THERE it is...I knew there was a political link to the psycho-babble. brooklynite Jan 2015 #95

The only limitations are the ones you create in your mind. NightOwwl Jan 2015 #99

Fair enough...show me a nation state anywhere at any time in history which has figured this out brooklynite Jan 2015 #111

First, we need to believe it is a possibility. NightOwwl Jan 2015 #120

Well, if there's a WEBSITE, anything's possible... brooklynite Jan 2015 #122

I took the time to answer your questions. Thoughtfully. NightOwwl Jan 2015 #126

That was going to be my next question... brooklynite Jan 2015 #127

"The only limitations are the ones you create in your own mind." But, LTX Jan 2015 #141

It really wasn't all that successful thucythucy Jan 2015 #106

If so few people are capable of governing themselves how fewer still should govern others? Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #123

I think they call it "representative democracy" brooklynite Jan 2015 #124

Do you honestly think we have that? Or do we have Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #125

The Democrats have already gone along with cuts to food stamps, WIC, and pensions. liberal_at_heart Jan 2015 #102

Better a government in the sky to judge us after death than Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #88

I think I understand LWolf Jan 2015 #101

Very good points LWolf. History is incomplete, imperfect and is told with bias. liberal_at_heart Jan 2015 #108

Thanks LWolf - that's pretty much it. NightOwwl Jan 2015 #109

Uh, that's not at all what your OP said, thucythucy Jan 2015 #118

Strongly disagree. Perverted history may be a religion. BillZBubb Jan 2015 #137

Fail of a post. a la izquierda Jan 2015 #139

I did it! Just as you suggested, I wiped my brain free of all history. I'm free! LTX Jan 2015 #142