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In reply to the discussion: History is Religion for the Masses [View all]NightOwwl
(5,453 posts)119. Thank you. I appreciate your response, and hope you will take the time to read my reply.
In one of your posts here you said something like "you need to listen less, and think more." I think you need to open your ears and eyes and mind to the experiences of people outside your own comfort zone, and truly understand some of the history of social justice movements, before you dismiss it all as a useless diversion.
Point taken. I realize I can sometimes come across as one of those annoying, pushy ex-smokers who yak endlessly about the dangers of smoking.
When JFK was elected, he helped foster the beginning of the deinstitutionalization movement.
JFK was a good man. So was his brother. So was Martin Luther King. They tried to fight the system from within. They were stopped.
The whole world is "a playground for the wealthy." Not just government--the media, the churches, the universities, the beaches, the mountains, the frickin' ground you walk on and the air you breathe are "playgrounds for the wealthy." Do you advocate we get out of, give up on, all those as well?
No, I'm suggesting that maybe that anger and resentment you feel could be due to a well-structured media campaign designed to make you believe you are powerless against them. I could be absolutely wrong, also.
You ask where the money would come from if no government. There are people trying to figure that out as we speak (link below). Am I talking about an overnight change? Far from it - it probably won't even happen in my lifetime. I am just, in my clumsy way, trying to suggest they are not the only game in town.
I've said this before and I'll say it again. Regardless of our life circumstances, I think we are more powerful, more capable, have more integrity, and are more intelligent than the shysters who pretend to run this country. They may own most of the resources, but they don't own your mind.
I was a passionate, liberal democrat for 30 years. I was proud to say I was a liberal, I was proud to go to the voting booth every election, I was proud of my candidate. I donated money to the Democratic Party, Presidential Candidates, and my State Senators on a regular basis. I was their perfect unpaid mouthpiece. I needed desperately to talk to my State Senator. Long story short - when the going gets tough, you'll get left behind. The disillusionment that had begun to blossom grew stronger. After I almost died due to various issues I won't go into, I left my job and started dabbling in trading. Let's just say that what I learned was quite a shock to my system. The Wall Street / politician connection was enough to turn my stomach and to turn me off politics completely.
I think much of who we are is learned, and the strong stuff we are made of gets buried underneath. Still there, but silenced. Waiting for you to find you.
https://www.thevenusproject.com/en/
I wish you only the best, always.
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But since we don't live alone, we create a world together. That's why we have the political process
brooklynite
Jan 2015
#17
Welll, first you have to be willing to consider everything you think you know about yourself
NightOwwl
Jan 2015
#48
What is the precise and relevant objective evidence to support that allegation?
LanternWaste
Jan 2015
#27
Nobody I know in the disability rights movement is "grateful for those scraps."
thucythucy
Jan 2015
#89
Thank you. I appreciate your response, and hope you will take the time to read my reply.
NightOwwl
Jan 2015
#119
I'm pretty comfortable just concluding you have either mistaken this for freshmen philosophy
el_bryanto
Jan 2015
#21
There's a difference between questioning and tearing the whole structure. nt
el_bryanto
Jan 2015
#46
I guess we just see it differently. We cannot end apathy until we recognize the problem.
liberal_at_heart
Jan 2015
#56
I suppose because I naively assumed your words gave an indication into your thought
el_bryanto
Jan 2015
#60
Is perceiving an unsupported premise as valid as a bumper sticker the same as "feeling threatened"?
LanternWaste
Jan 2015
#4
yours is the most adamant rationalization I've read at maintaining sub-literacy.
LanternWaste
Jan 2015
#14
Well put - so I'll go on giving my life meaning by supporting politicians who I think
el_bryanto
Jan 2015
#35
Everything you are up to the present is a compilation of your past.
Dont call me Shirley
Jan 2015
#29
I'd just like to say that I was never required to say the pledge and each of my classes from K-6
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2015
#132
"History supplies little more than a list of people who have helped themselves
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jan 2015
#11
Are you saying we shouldn't deal with the root causes of what's happening?
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jan 2015
#31
History is Nostalgia. Both have already happened, both only exist in our minds.
NightOwwl
Jan 2015
#25
Yes 'history and religion' as in totally ignoring the meaning and doing whatever the fuck
Rex
Jan 2015
#20
But it is not noise and distraction anymore, now it is part of our culture. We are all branded.
Rex
Jan 2015
#28
I remember learning about The fight for Texas Independence when I was in middle school.
liberal_at_heart
Jan 2015
#30
I've seen inane, deeply ignorant dismissals of entire disciplines before..
Posteritatis
Jan 2015
#53
I believe that's the same thing people said when they were told the earth was round.
NightOwwl
Jan 2015
#67
Well, there's another way to highlight how little you know about the topic, I suppose. (nt)
Posteritatis
Jan 2015
#71
The owners don't want well informed people capable of critical thinking. Damn George
liberal_at_heart
Jan 2015
#97
What's maddening to me is that the reason so many are satisfied is because we currently
liberal_at_heart
Jan 2015
#103
Yep - If people looked at the policies that are implemented and the actions taken they might wake up
NightOwwl
Jan 2015
#107
People can feel when things are wrong especially when they can't put food on the table for
liberal_at_heart
Jan 2015
#110
It is true that the ruling class gets to write current history. It has happened since the
liberal_at_heart
Jan 2015
#136
George Carlin, being dead, is a historical figure, and as such is subjective and not factual.
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2015
#134
And the 'I hate history' poster cites history to attempt a point. And that ends all deba
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2015
#133
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect - Mark Twain
NightOwwl
Jan 2015
#63
And there you go, citing more history, going back to the Romans, as part of your 'history is without
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2015
#135
I freely admit that many people don't agree with me on a number of issues...
brooklynite
Jan 2015
#116
Hey now, they could simply be rationalizing their complete ignorance of it instead.
Posteritatis
Jan 2015
#77
"Nuh-uh! I don't need to think! I just know!" is the opposite of questioning things. (nt)
Posteritatis
Jan 2015
#84
So we shouldn't correct it when they get facts wrong about Native American history, or
liberal_at_heart
Jan 2015
#98
You know what is sad. My 16 year old autistic son is just getting to an age where he can
liberal_at_heart
Jan 2015
#105
Fair enough...show me a nation state anywhere at any time in history which has figured this out
brooklynite
Jan 2015
#111
If so few people are capable of governing themselves how fewer still should govern others?
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2015
#123
The Democrats have already gone along with cuts to food stamps, WIC, and pensions.
liberal_at_heart
Jan 2015
#102
Very good points LWolf. History is incomplete, imperfect and is told with bias.
liberal_at_heart
Jan 2015
#108