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In reply to the discussion: Hate Speech should be forbidden. [View all]Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)5. NB that France has laws against "incitement to hatred".
The Law on the Freedom of the Press of 29 July 1881 guarantees freedom of the press, subject to several prohibitions. Article 24 prohibits anyone from publicly inciting another to discriminate against, or to hate or to harm, a person or a group for belonging or not belonging, in fact or in fancy, to an ethnicity, a nation, a race, a religion, a sex, or a sexual orientation, or for having a handicap. The penalty for violating this prohibition is up to a year of imprisonment and a fine of up to 45,000, or either one of those, as well as the suspension of some civil rights in some cases.
Articles 32 and 33 prohibit anyone from publicly defaming or insulting a person or group for belonging or not belonging, in fact or in fancy, to an ethnicity, a nation, a race, a religion, a sex, or a sexual orientation, or for having a handicap. The penalty for defamation is up to a year of imprisonment and a fine of up to 45,000, or either one of those punishments. The penalty for insult is up to six months of imprisonment and a fine of up to 22,500, or either one of those punishments.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_in_France#Freedom_of_the_press
Articles 32 and 33 prohibit anyone from publicly defaming or insulting a person or group for belonging or not belonging, in fact or in fancy, to an ethnicity, a nation, a race, a religion, a sex, or a sexual orientation, or for having a handicap. The penalty for defamation is up to a year of imprisonment and a fine of up to 45,000, or either one of those punishments. The penalty for insult is up to six months of imprisonment and a fine of up to 22,500, or either one of those punishments.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_in_France#Freedom_of_the_press
Two Muslim groups in France tried to bring suit against Charlie Hebdo under these laws, the case was thrown out by the courts:
French cartoons editor acquitted
The editor of a satirical French magazine accused of insulting Muslims by reprinting cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad has been acquitted.
A French court has ruled in favour of weekly Charlie Hebdo, rejecting accusations by Islamic groups who said it incited hatred against Muslims.
The cartoons were covered by freedom of expression laws and were not an attack on Islam, but fundamentalists, it said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6479673.stm
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There should be laws against inciting violence but not against offensive speech. Obviously,
pampango
Jan 2015
#2
"inciting violence" laws have been used to suppress legitimate political expression
Warren Stupidity
Jan 2015
#4
So do you want to use the French definition or is it also one you find makes no sense?
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#21
It was ruled "not hate speech but legitimate satire" by a court, in case you missed that part (n/t)
Spider Jerusalem
Jan 2015
#25
I think their law is horrible. But if you would like to use it as a model
Warren Stupidity
Jan 2015
#48
That would be OK, but you would have to change the OP to cite the full French law.
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#49
One man's hate speech is another man's bread and butter (Faux, Limbaugh, Beck, etc.).
Vinca
Jan 2015
#9
OP used one of the mildest one, there are plenty more really gross ones...plenty....
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#31
You just make up your own definition and vote on it...it is a free association poll...??
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#20
He clarified that if you oppose speech designed to incite violence you should vote yes
el_bryanto
Jan 2015
#58
People who demand such things are inciting hatred and they should be sanctioned.
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2015
#12
How do they control our free speech? What opinions are not allowed to be expressed at DU?
el_bryanto
Jan 2015
#19
I suspect he's complaining that his threads about guns are constantly getting locked
GGJohn
Jan 2015
#57
Censorship and hidden posts because of rudeness at DU.....never have I heard of such a thing.
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#79
No shit. And some people think that has something to do with freedom of speech.
NCTraveler
Jan 2015
#80
Hate speech apparently is the most precious form of free speech for some folks.
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#81
The difference is, private websites like DU can set and enforce community standards.
Nye Bevan
Jan 2015
#45
What well organized faction of right-wing trolls are controlling our 'free speech'?
GGJohn
Jan 2015
#51
You can not find a definition of "hate speech" that makes any sense, so what are you polling?
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#18
With respect, without a definition of a poorly understood phrase, it is a push poll.
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#36
There are laws against hate speech, aren't there? In specific circumstances?
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Jan 2015
#26
Similar issue to pornography and depictions (real or acted) of extreme violence.
goldent
Jan 2015
#27
Most of the world does not believe in our notion of free speech. Quite the conundrum, isn't it?
randome
Jan 2015
#56
I voted against laws for hate speech because like the author of this poll see the definition is too
jwirr
Jan 2015
#62
I don't need protection from words, any words, I need protection from people.
bemildred
Jan 2015
#64
The advocacy I see for 'hate speech laws' on DU seems intended to create anti blasphemy laws
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2015
#70