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rhett o rick

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61. The grassroots are center-left, moderates, but most of Washington the DC Democrats are center-right

Tue Jan 13, 2015, 05:05 PM

Jan 2015

conservatives. H. Clinton's moderate stands on social issues do not balance out her pro Wall Street, pro Corporate, pro Deep State Security State, and pro Neocon/continous War stands. Social issue gains won't last long if we don't save our democracy.

Liberal politicians aren't competing with centrists in the Party, but with conservatives backed by big money.

The Republican Party is the party of the extreme right-wing. The conservatives in Wash DC have moved to the Democratic Party ala Sen Arlen Specter.

As long as we let the conservatives run the Democratic Party the more we will slide into the oligarchy mire.

It's conservatives that favor the TPP, fracking, the NSA/CIA Deep State, Wall Street crime, the Patriot Act, torture and indefinite detention, the Continuous ME War.

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This just in.....Elizabeth Warren is STILL not running for President [View all] brooklynite Jan 2015 OP

This just in..... Autumn Jan 2015 #1

"She's going to die unless we do something. Clap your hands!" brooklynite Jan 2015 #5

I don't believe in fairy tales. It would be a fairy tale to believe Hillary Autumn Jan 2015 #18

you obviously dont believe the words coming VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #23

Seems that those that are scared that Sen Warren might just run and kick some booty, rhett o rick Jan 2015 #49

whats to be afraid of....I support the Democrats VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #55

If it doesn't matter what DEmocrat wins the primary, why are you working so very hard rhett o rick Jan 2015 #64

Because that is what she has said ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #107

We all clearly understand. My question stands. Why do you go on and on about it. rhett o rick Jan 2015 #108

Because every.single.day ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #115

Glad you noticed. We do not want H. Cinton-Sachs. She sold her soul to Bush in 2002. rhett o rick Jan 2015 #116

This message was self-deleted by its author 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #117

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #118

I think u hit the ticket name right BaldHippie Jan 2015 #136

Not believing that something will occur does not equate to fear of said ... 11 Bravo Jan 2015 #59

I totally agree. But when people are obsessed with trying to convince others that rhett o rick Jan 2015 #63

I agree with every word of your post. 11 Bravo Jan 2015 #68

"obsessed with trying to convince others that Sen Warren won't run"... brooklynite Jan 2015 #73

Yes maybe once, but almost once a day, someone tells us that Sen Warren Really, Really, isn't rhett o rick Jan 2015 #80

So the next time Manny publishes something about Warren (like today!), he's being obsessed? brooklynite Jan 2015 #84

Why do we bring Manny into this discussion? Why would we be questioning his mental state? rhett o rick Jan 2015 #86

That "someone" telling us that Senator Warren is not going to run is Senator Warren, herself. MADem Jan 2015 #141

The person who is trying their utmost ... NanceGreggs Jan 2015 #87

She's a liar!!! zappaman Jan 2015 #88

Why is it so very important to you and those that don't want her to run? rhett o rick Jan 2015 #91

Frankly, I think people need to take Warren at her word tammywammy Jan 2015 #92

What's cool is that we can do both but we need that "someone else". nm rhett o rick Jan 2015 #105

Why is it so very important to you ... NanceGreggs Jan 2015 #93

This thread is a good example. Those of you that say you don't care seem to go rhett o rick Jan 2015 #106

Reporting that Warren will not run is not tantamount to supporting Clinton. totodeinhere Jan 2015 #121

You take her at her word. Good for you. She can change her mind, don't you agree? nm rhett o rick Jan 2015 #122

Of course she could change her mind but like I said, I believe totodeinhere Jan 2015 #125

It seems as though they're desperate to stamp out Marr Jan 2015 #124

What's interesting is that they say they will support any and all Democrats rhett o rick Jan 2015 #163

Good point. Marr Jan 2015 #165

I feel like those who want Sen. Warren and only Sen. Warren musicblind Jan 2015 #166

I am promoting Sen Warren but far from obsessed. I am obsessed with turning rhett o rick Jan 2015 #169

Charming as always. Union Scribe Jan 2015 #60

You are supposed to stfu HappyMe Jan 2015 #11

Not in this lifetime I won't Autumn Jan 2015 #17

PLEDGEY OATH IS REQUIRED NOW!!!1 HappyMe Jan 2015 #22

Not gonna happen. Hillary runs, it's hello republican president Autumn Jan 2015 #25

No....to the decision of your fellow Democrats.. VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #24

You pledge all you want. I'm not even interested. Bernie says he's running Autumn Jan 2015 #27

I only care what my fellow Democrats say.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #31

Me too. My fellow Democrats say.... Autumn Jan 2015 #36

no you dont care if "your fellow" Democrats VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #37

Oh I see the confusion now. You think you are my fellow Democrat. Autumn Jan 2015 #43

i am not the confused one in this equation... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #45

What Democrats are on Democratic Underground that are running for President are the Autumn Jan 2015 #48

i support Democrats on DU and everywhere they are.. VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #58

Just so you know... there are many Democrats here on DU that will tell you just where Autumn Jan 2015 #62

you have a problem being loyal to your fellow VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #69

Pledgy oathy googly moogly!11 great white snark Jan 2015 #77

do you belong to a union? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #89

Nonsense. I belonged to a Union for years, being a Democrat is not the same thing. Hell some Autumn Jan 2015 #94

and what does the term "brotherhood" mean? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #98

You are just too damn funny Autumn Jan 2015 #101

I am just too damn truthful! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #102

Just so you know... Again. I. Don't. And. I. Won't. Pledge. Jack. Shit... Autumn Jan 2015 #153

You are funny. Puglover Jan 2015 #146

+10000! Katashi_itto Jan 2015 #97

You a Democrat? Katashi_itto Jan 2015 #96

Bernie said he won't run if he doesn't think he can win. MADem Jan 2015 #142

So no ones running? Not even Hillary? There you have it. Autumn Jan 2015 #148

Webb is exploring. MADem Jan 2015 #154

Those are her words. For now. A lot can happen, things change, people change. Autumn Jan 2015 #157

She used the present AND future tense, and she's said NO dozens of times. MADem Jan 2015 #158

But she has not used the past tense, has she? zappaman Jan 2015 #160

When she's writing her memoirs after serving two or more terms as Fed Chair.... MADem Jan 2015 #161

Blind loyalty isn't either a Democratic or democratic value. rhett o rick Jan 2015 #65

You think she's lying when she says she's not going to? Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2015 #41

No I don't think she will run. But I do belive that Hillary runs Autumn Jan 2015 #46

The same is true of any candidate. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2015 #50

Here's where I'm coming from, most members in both of our parties are very beholden Autumn Jan 2015 #52

"I think she'd make ... a poor presidential candidate." AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #56

I am disappointed that this is something so difficult for some to comprehend. rhett o rick Jan 2015 #66

I am disappointed that this is something so difficult for some to comprehend. brooklynite Jan 2015 #70

She would say the same thing if she wanted to run BUT WASN'T READY. rhett o rick Jan 2015 #76

She COULD say she's thinking about it...like Hillary Clinton brooklynite Jan 2015 #78

So what. What is so important that we know right now? Will we still love her if she changes her rhett o rick Jan 2015 #83

What honestly bothers me... brooklynite Jan 2015 #85

I don't care if she is lying, she is far better than H. Clinton that turned her back rhett o rick Jan 2015 #109

"I don't care if she is lying"......Now THERE'S an endorsement brooklynite Jan 2015 #119

Sen Elizabeth Warren could lie for a decade and stll have more rhett o rick Jan 2015 #120

AMEN Long Drive Jan 2015 #126

Enthusiastically, but not optimistically. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2015 #159

Well said! n/t Aerows Jan 2015 #168

and yet some here think there is wiggle-room in that statement because she didn't include the word pkdu Jan 2015 #2

Maybe Bernie will tap her for vice president... immoderate Jan 2015 #3

or maybe Hillary will.. VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #26

Ugh. That would be nothing but pandering for votes, and then Warren would be sent to djean111 Jan 2015 #34

lol! HappyMe Jan 2015 #35

Warren thinks Hillary is terrific. And supports her run. NYC Liberal Jan 2015 #110

And, if I recall correctly, that's pretty much a quote! MADem Jan 2015 #155

What does she mean by "no?" FSogol Jan 2015 #4

Was it a "legitimate no"? joshcryer Jan 2015 #133

Perhaps, but Bernie is talking about it. Now THAT is exciting news! sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #6

Yes Bernie will run. I can't wait to vote for him. Autumn Jan 2015 #20

Met too. Imagine listening to someone who has a RECORD of standing up for the things he talks about sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #30

And Hillary has not announced a bid for 2016 IDemo Jan 2015 #7

That would make Rupert Murdoch very, very, very, very happy. Octafish Jan 2015 #8

This just in...I still don't like Hillary. HappyMe Jan 2015 #9

"Nobody is currently running..." brooklynite Jan 2015 #12

Thinking about it isn't running. HappyMe Jan 2015 #14

wish in one hand... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #28

PLEDGEY OATH!!11 HappyMe Jan 2015 #32

Pledgey oath high sign! AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #57

Hopefully DesertDawg Jan 2015 #10

+1 nt RiverLover Jan 2015 #38

Dems concede to Repbs for 2016. No one is running. misterhighwasted Jan 2015 #13

That's a technical question brooklynite Jan 2015 #15

Then we should know by May-ish. misterhighwasted Jan 2015 #19

That doesn't mean she won't run if the moon is full and the planets are aligned in just the right still_one Jan 2015 #16

I was just discussing this with Hillary at the Yacht Club Capt. Obvious Jan 2015 #21

. Puglover Jan 2015 #29

lol! HappyMe Jan 2015 #33

lol nt m-lekktor Jan 2015 #150

This just In Robbins Jan 2015 #39

If "he will laregly be ignored except for those on left who can see the truth"... brooklynite Jan 2015 #40

are admitting that Robbins Jan 2015 #42

No- it's a center-left Party... brooklynite Jan 2015 #44

No Robbins Jan 2015 #51

So you're saying it's hopeless... brooklynite Jan 2015 #54

It is hopeless Robbins Jan 2015 #75

Hillary still needs to win votes. If she wins the nomination that means she will have convinced NYC Liberal Jan 2015 #113

No it is a center left party. n/t musicblind Jan 2015 #167

The grassroots are center-left, moderates, but most of Washington the DC Democrats are center-right rhett o rick Jan 2015 #61

So stop electing the "Washington" Democrats... brooklynite Jan 2015 #67

It's difficult because, as we can see here in DU, some are afraid to venture away rhett o rick Jan 2015 #74

You said It perfectly Robbins Jan 2015 #81

If Bernie joins the party and enters the primary, it will be good for he party. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2015 #79

notice the use of 'still.' It means she won't sit still. Meaning she's actually running wyldwolf Jan 2015 #47

Neither is Hillary. Your point? AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #53

Some are afraid of Sen Warren. They fear that the crazy left will ask for a pony rhett o rick Jan 2015 #72

Fear. AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #82

I hope Warren runs but some here are overwrought LordGlenconner Jan 2015 #71

Isn't there an axiom that states that people will vote for a real Republican before they rhett o rick Jan 2015 #111

Doesn't mean Hillary gets my vote either way. mmonk Jan 2015 #90

Good luck getting this to sink in BB_Smoke Jan 2015 #95

We need a surprise candidate. Who is gonna step up? Vattel Jan 2015 #99

I guess that makes the Stellar Jan 2015 #100

"Are you going to...?" is a weaker future tense foo_bar Jan 2015 #103

And I'm still not going to support HRC. nt LWolf Jan 2015 #104

I think you are obligated to support her if she is the nominee. Just sayin'. nm rhett o rick Jan 2015 #112

I wonder if that'll be her entire campaign strategy, delrem Jan 2015 #123

Well she has the Conservative Dems wrapped up w/o saying a word. rhett o rick Jan 2015 #162

No I'm not. LWolf Jan 2015 #145

Oh, I think you may have to take that pledgey thing and then send your mail-in ballot djean111 Jan 2015 #152

A joke, BUT LWolf Jan 2015 #164

This shouldn't stop people shenmue Jan 2015 #114

Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #127

Well I guess Hillary is really inevitable, now. Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #128

This just in: Hillary STILL not running for President either. Almost no Dem is. merrily Jan 2015 #129

I know. Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #130

Come to think of it, have any Republicans firmly announced yet? merrily Jan 2015 #140

If Clinton doesn't run the party will be sent into chaos. joshcryer Jan 2015 #132

Worse: The world will end. Armageddon. Four Horsemen. The whole nine yards. merrily Jan 2015 #134

If it leads to a Romney... maybe. joshcryer Jan 2015 #135

Then the Party should have been beating the bushes for great candidates these last few years, merrily Jan 2015 #137

Great candidates need to stand up. joshcryer Jan 2015 #138

Come on, Josh. You know better than I that the Party encourages merrily Jan 2015 #139

Still Time BUT BaldHippie Jan 2015 #131

Time to review the old TOS... brooklynite Jan 2015 #143

Really. MADem Jan 2015 #156

Good. We need her in the Senate. riqster Jan 2015 #144

Yabbut women are always changing their minds, OK? MineralMan Jan 2015 #147

And Right Wingers in both parties rejoiced LondonReign2 Jan 2015 #149

Truer words. djean111 Jan 2015 #151

Some won't believe until Chevy Chase tells them with Garret Morris interpreting csziggy Jan 2015 #170