The Charlie Hebdo cartoons no one is showing you.

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56. YoungDemCa wants people criticising the right wing aspects of Islam

to be seen as morally equivalent to the Republican fuckwits that declared war on Iraq. He didn't say as much, to be fair, but that was the implication from his post further up in this subthread, in which he presumably includes those of us who are unimpressed with Islamic regimes hanging gay people (for a start). He decided we were all pathetic liars and said so. BNW has observed that some members of this board claiming that those who oppose Islam's homophobia are the same people who instructed gay people not to be offended at a homophobic pastor being invited tospeak at Obama's inauguration. Hence my observation, which is actually a continuation of a seperate conversation I am(was) involved with including BNW elsewhere on this site regarding the fascinating process whereby homophobia seems to be perfectly fine if the homophobe is in a "demonised" category. It does not appear to occur to some board members that criticism of Islam is possible from more than one perspective and entailing more than one intent.

Few people seem to worry too much about Islamic homophobia on DU other than DU's gay members, like me. I have been called Islamophobic by people on this board following observations that Islam itself, the belief structure is as responsible for the sickly, neurotic bigotry it propagates as Christianity is for the sickly neurotic bigotry that IT propagates.

I am not particularly respected on DU for saying such things, though I rarely observe them, as doing so typically invites a small crowd of people scrabbling to construct anything at all that makes them look liberals to themselves. Consequently efforts expended by me to clarify the situation (which clarification would rest on the premise of "just cause you're the victim of bigotry doesn't mean you're not a bigot yourself" (which premise has been resoundingly justified on this board, many times, by at least one member of each currently "recognised" target of bigotry)) tend to embolden and exacerbate rather than clarify.

So, I've given up.