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oberliner

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26. It's a part of a program supported by the US Dept of Education (and promoted by VP Biden)

Thu Jan 15, 2015, 07:21 AM

Jan 2015

Lockdown is no Longer Enough!

“There are three basic options: run, hide, or fight. You can run away from the shooter, seek a secure place where you can hide and/or deny the shooter access, or incapacitate the shooter to survive and protect others from harm.” [Page 63] “If running is not a safe option, hide in as safe a place as possible. Students and staff should be trained to hide in a location where the walls might be thicker and have fewer windows. In addition: Hide along the wall closest to the exit but out of the view from the hallway (allowing for an ambush of the shooter and for possible escape if the shooter enters the room).” [Page 65] MULTIPLE RESPONSE OPTIONS NEEDED “As the situation develops, it is possible that students and staff will need to use more than one option.” [Page 64] THOSE IN HARMS WAY SHOULD MAKE THEIR OWN DECISIONS “While they should follow the plan and any instructions given during an incident, often they will have to rely on their own judgment to decide which option will best protect lives.” [Page 64]

http://www.alicetraining.com/what-we-do/alice-componets/k-12/

One of the suggestions included is for the students to have something with them in the worst case scenario of the shooter breaking through and getting into the barricaded room where they are hiding.

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Middle School Asks Kids To Bring In Cans To Fight School Shooters [View all] gvstn Jan 2015 OP

would reply but am speechless . . . flamin lib Jan 2015 #1

Yeah cause a fucking can of peaches can stop a nut with a gun Autumn Jan 2015 #2

It's not an idea this MS principal came up with oberliner Jan 2015 #43

Biden? Autumn Jan 2015 #55

Why do you find it to be so idiotic? oberliner Jan 2015 #60

I thought they meant aluminum cans Politicalboi Jan 2015 #3

They are just using carrying around cans as indoctrination to walking around carrying guns all day.. VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #4

Hope they're going to give the kids harnesses, so that they can wear a half-dozen petronius Jan 2015 #5

They will be NRA approved cans? And will Alabama give them can throwing training against a homicidal Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #6

The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a can of beans? jmowreader Jan 2015 #7

This is stupid. Oklahoma_Liberal Jan 2015 #8

WASTING FOOD! nt alp227 Jan 2015 #9

Or, they could bring bags of gumballs to strew on the floor and trip him. Or, smother him with Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #10

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jan 2015 #11

Or maybe a bowling ball propped above the door that'll fall on the shooter's head when he comes in. bluesbassman Jan 2015 #12

These are the people in charge of teaching our children? Lurks Often Jan 2015 #13

It's a part of a program supported by the US Dept of Education (and promoted by VP Biden) oberliner Jan 2015 #26

It's still a stupid idea Lurks Often Jan 2015 #28

Hiding behind a desk probably won't stop a person wanting to kill them either oberliner Jan 2015 #30

Yeah, standing up and throwing a can is a great idea HappyMe Jan 2015 #31

No one is supposed to stand oberliner Jan 2015 #32

I still think it's a stupid idea. HappyMe Jan 2015 #33

Fair enough oberliner Jan 2015 #35

Departments and people don't always have the best of ideas. HappyMe Jan 2015 #36

That is true oberliner Jan 2015 #41

Fix it so the nutbars can't get in in the first place. HappyMe Jan 2015 #44

What if the shooter is a student or relative? oberliner Jan 2015 #45

To me, this kind of thing needs to have security experts HappyMe Jan 2015 #48

the old ticking time bomb scenario reddread Jan 2015 #50

With more than 25+ years of experience as a law enforcement officer and security consultant... oberliner Jan 2015 #51

lol! Pretty sad. HappyMe Jan 2015 #53

It is a lone principal that is copying a nearby district's idea. gvstn Jan 2015 #49

No it's not oberliner Jan 2015 #52

From your article gvstn Jan 2015 #58

Agreed oberliner Jan 2015 #59

My gripe is that the idea gives kids the wrong impression. gvstn Jan 2015 #62

Good and reasonable points oberliner Jan 2015 #63

ANYTHING except stop the selling of mechanized weapons reddread Jan 2015 #64

Sadly, a school doesn't have the power the make that happen oberliner Jan 2015 #67

It remains a stupid idea, although I can't think of a better one given the scenario you describe Lurks Often Jan 2015 #37

OK - but it's not the middle school's stupid idea oberliner Jan 2015 #40

A reporter pushing an agenda? I'm shocked, shocked I say! Lurks Often Jan 2015 #46

Yeah - exactly oberliner Jan 2015 #47

Good Idea DustyJoe Jan 2015 #61

There is a poster here that recomends a can of beans, oneshooter Jan 2015 #14

Actually that poster was responding to gun fanciers that said they tote while bicycle riding. Hoyt Jan 2015 #16

That posters' proclaimed expertise in re self-defense was presented without evidence... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2015 #17

I'm sure they support gunz too. Hoyt Jan 2015 #18

Their claim of being able to strip an M1911 underwater kinda pushed it over the line... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2015 #19

Can you think of a worse "pinch" than a mass shooting, hoyt? beevul Jan 2015 #20

Just what we need, some cowboy coming to rescue. You'd just make things Hoyt Jan 2015 #22

Another evidence-free claim from you: "If there are two or three cowboys, folks will get caught... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2015 #66

So who tells you gunners, you can stop these things -- NRA, Massad Ayoob, your inner herowannabe? Hoyt Jan 2015 #68

If we had substituted bean cans for guns decades ago, think how much better things would be today. Hoyt Jan 2015 #15

Then there is that global warming problem. ManiacJoe Jan 2015 #24

What's wrong with good old-fashioned rocks? Too Paleolithic? betsuni Jan 2015 #21

Note to Principal Holley: the movie Home Alone wasn't an instructional video. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2015 #23

lol! Yeah, I agree. HappyMe Jan 2015 #27

You should forward that note to the Obama administration oberliner Jan 2015 #34

This makes sense oberliner Jan 2015 #25

Especially spinach! Word is it can give you instant strength, like Popeye! n/t freeplessinseattle Jan 2015 #29

sling shot snipers doubling as crossing guards and hall monitors reddread Jan 2015 #38

Better yet. Savannahmann Jan 2015 #39

call in the bow and arrow squad from PE reddread Jan 2015 #42

And did anyone ever consider taking away bullets and guns? Ilsa Jan 2015 #54

I guess they get target practice with their cans? nt Ilsa Jan 2015 #56

And the first time kids use the cans against each other Ilsa Jan 2015 #57

Don't forget to bring a Bicycle wheel also. ileus Jan 2015 #65

Works better than a trunk full of guns. How many do you carry around town? Hoyt Jan 2015 #69

497 ileus Jan 2015 #70