Today is the 25th anniversary of my sobriety.

[Warren DeMontague]

105. I hear ya, I know a lot of 12 steppers who get it, and aren't threatened by other avenues

that may work for other folks.

The important thing is that people find and do what works for them. A lot of people that's AA, and that's awesome for those people.

I think you're right about the treatment industry, also court-mandated 12 step meetings have some obvious constitutional issues that now are being recognized. And that's another irony- most of the 12 steppers I know don't WANT the people who don't want to be there, being forced into the meetings. They want people who want what they have. Which is as it should be.