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Warren DeMontague

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14. because there is a solid evidentiary basis for all of our assertions regarding those things.
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 01:12 AM
Jan 2015

We base our theories on what is at the center of the Earth not just on some shit we feel like making up at any given moment, but by a combination of what we understand from plate tectonics, verified acoustic models of what happens through the earth during Earthquakes, the magnetism generated by the Earth's core, and things like what we know re: the composition of lower layers of rock, because some of those rocks come up through volcanoes or cycling of the continents.

The sun- we have a good grasp of the chemical composition of the sun, again, from physical evidence- and we know the energy produced by the fusion reactions inside. Just because we can't see the center of the sun, doesn't mean we can't make very educated guesses about what happens inside it.

Nothing can travel faster than light? Fuck, maybe it can. Spacetime itself might very well be able to. But matter traveling through spacetime- not likely, because we also have a solid understanding of relativity, the mathematics of which are likewise well-verified by data and evidence. We know what happens to particles when they approach the speed of light, including mass changes and time dilation.

So no, it's NOT "all creative speculation". There is a vast difference between a scientific theory that is well-established and backed up by a solid evidentiary framework, and a "theory" like "Aliens stole my tv dinner".

It's fucking tiresome, this much-beloved-by-creationists idea that ALL postulations are created equal. They're not. I can postulate that sometime in the next 24 hours I will need to take a poop, that is backed up by biology, logic and medical fact. I can postulate that sometime in the next 24 hours I will turn into the golden gate bridge, and that's just some shit I made up.

There's a big difference between science and shit someone made up.

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More people believing it tkmorris Jan 2015 #1
Good point. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #2
Well, I don't think it's nearly as creative. egduj Jan 2015 #3
I find it incredible that people do not understand a positive reason for spirituality uppityperson Jan 2015 #4
In my opinion, it goes both ways and I see these as defensive attacks at this point. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #7
Breaking it down to Us vs Them continues to make the world a more difficult place uppityperson Jan 2015 #11
You have a solid point. Tensions and emotions are high. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #13
Hear, Hear! NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #16
LOL no they don't tkmorris Jan 2015 #34
LOL, nonscientists telling scientists what science is and isn't. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #39
No they don't. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #44
No, in some peoples' worlds they don't. Sucks to be them. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #46
Everything that exists in the natural world is explainable. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #47
Explain magnets. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #48
fucking magnets how do they work NuclearDem Jan 2015 #49
You cannot be serious tkmorris Jan 2015 #53
NB: Science and Religion, both based on the human compulsion to explain shit. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #57
Wait, how the earthly fuck NuclearDem Jan 2015 #63
ESP, ghosts, psychic powers, UFOs,??? Logical Jan 2015 #17
I do not see how that relates to my post. Maybe you relied to the wrong person. nt uppityperson Jan 2015 #23
+ 1 KMOD Jan 2015 #26
Free speech vs being considerate or not being hurtful because you can uppityperson Jan 2015 #28
Exactly, KMOD Jan 2015 #29
Thank you. silverweb Jan 2015 #36
In this thread? nt Logical Jan 2015 #30
Well, to start with, scientific provable stuff is provable. And it changes as we genwah Jan 2015 #52
I don't know. How is science any different from creative speculation? NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #5
"How is science any different from creative speculation?" greyl Jan 2015 #6
Right? tkmorris Jan 2015 #35
This one has spent the time since the paris massacre seeing just out outrageous he can be. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #56
verifiable facts. that's how. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #8
Science is based on the scientific method, where hypotheses are disproved. chrisa Jan 2015 #9
How do we know we aren't just simulations in a computer? Fumesucker Jan 2015 #10
When our kid was about 7, I asked if he could prove we weren't all just brains in jars MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #24
because there is a solid evidentiary basis for all of our assertions regarding those things. Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #14
THIS THIS THIS NuclearDem Jan 2015 #45
You are apparently unaware of how many assumptions are required to reach your conclusions. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #58
Your false equivalence is not even worth bothering with, here. Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #59
"Deal with it"? Who, me? NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #61
I strongly suggest you do that. Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #62
Why not both, Warren? Why not both? NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #64
Why can't the sun be full of both fusing hydrogen AND orange angels? Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #66
Science is always open to new information. Seems to be the biggest difference. Major Nikon Jan 2015 #67
Really? Maybe the scientific method??? Nt Logical Jan 2015 #18
Tide goes in, tide goes out. zappaman Jan 2015 #27
Makes me wonder skepticscott Jan 2015 #37
lolz! Seriously Skip? JNelson6563 Jan 2015 #38
Both topics, science and spirituality, entertain me to no end, Julie. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #40
Oooh, that sounds good. Personally, I can hardly wait. Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #60
oy beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #65
Limited, objectively verifiable claims? cheapdate Jan 2015 #55
My simple view on it: The Straight Story Jan 2015 #12
Nice post! Nt Logical Jan 2015 #19
Outlandish assertions are like whiskey in wooden barrels. Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #15
How is the american political mythos any different than creative speculation? ND-Dem Jan 2015 #20
most reasonable religious people would admit it is about belief JI7 Jan 2015 #21
Religion is philosophy with ritual attached to it. Such blatant ignorance KittyWampus Jan 2015 #22
One of them is crazy talk. nt MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #25
True Major Nikon Jan 2015 #68
Since this is a Democratic board where people presumably hope to see Democrats elected onenote Jan 2015 #31
Well because in the long run, ending a reliance on religion for All Americans el_bryanto Jan 2015 #41
I would ask if religion could be considered, in some instances... the same as meditation. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #32
Mocking/questioning/disagreeing with the latter is (mostly) deemed acceptable. Behind the Aegis Jan 2015 #33
Should people such as Jimmy Carter be subject to more ridicule? Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #42
Are we discussing ridiculing the person or the religion? nt Logical Jan 2015 #43
could you separate the two in this instance? ProdigalJunkMail Jan 2015 #50
Some believers have a visceral religious experience, thucythucy Jan 2015 #51
Funny, back when it was the dungeon whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #54
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