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Warren DeMontague

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59. Your false equivalence is not even worth bothering with, here.

Sat Jan 17, 2015, 06:25 PM

Jan 2015

And it is EXACTLY the same shit creationists use in their arguments.

If I look in the yard and see a shoe print in the mud, and then 5 feet away I see a muddy shoe, and the print of the shoe matches the mud perfectly, is it a reasonable hypothesis that someone stepped in the mud and then lost the shoe? I didnt see it happen. i dont know FOR CERTAIN. But it is a reasonable, logical hypothesis that is backed up with all available evidence.

If I say "the shoe and the print both materialized out of nothing, five minutes before I got here" or "they were left by Barney the magical dinosaur", are those equivalently valid hypotheses? I mean, I wasnt there. i dont KNOW.

But science is based upon educated, evidence-based propositions which can and must be updated in the face of new data. Religious dogma is not. Deal with it.

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How is religion any different than creative speculation??? [View all] Logical Jan 2015 OP

More people believing it tkmorris Jan 2015 #1

Good point. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #2

Well, I don't think it's nearly as creative. egduj Jan 2015 #3

I find it incredible that people do not understand a positive reason for spirituality uppityperson Jan 2015 #4

In my opinion, it goes both ways and I see these as defensive attacks at this point. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #7

Breaking it down to Us vs Them continues to make the world a more difficult place uppityperson Jan 2015 #11

You have a solid point. Tensions and emotions are high. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #13

Hear, Hear! NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #16

LOL no they don't tkmorris Jan 2015 #34

LOL, nonscientists telling scientists what science is and isn't. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #39

No they don't. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #44

No, in some peoples' worlds they don't. Sucks to be them. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #46

Everything that exists in the natural world is explainable. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #47

Explain magnets. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #48

fucking magnets how do they work NuclearDem Jan 2015 #49

You cannot be serious tkmorris Jan 2015 #53

NB: Science and Religion, both based on the human compulsion to explain shit. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #57

Wait, how the earthly fuck NuclearDem Jan 2015 #63

ESP, ghosts, psychic powers, UFOs,??? Logical Jan 2015 #17

I do not see how that relates to my post. Maybe you relied to the wrong person. nt uppityperson Jan 2015 #23

+ 1 KMOD Jan 2015 #26

Free speech vs being considerate or not being hurtful because you can uppityperson Jan 2015 #28

Exactly, KMOD Jan 2015 #29

Thank you. silverweb Jan 2015 #36

In this thread? nt Logical Jan 2015 #30

Well, to start with, scientific provable stuff is provable. And it changes as we genwah Jan 2015 #52

I don't know. How is science any different from creative speculation? NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #5

"How is science any different from creative speculation?" greyl Jan 2015 #6

Right? tkmorris Jan 2015 #35

This one has spent the time since the paris massacre seeing just out outrageous he can be. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #56

verifiable facts. that's how. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #8

Science is based on the scientific method, where hypotheses are disproved. chrisa Jan 2015 #9

How do we know we aren't just simulations in a computer? Fumesucker Jan 2015 #10

When our kid was about 7, I asked if he could prove we weren't all just brains in jars MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #24

because there is a solid evidentiary basis for all of our assertions regarding those things. Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #14

THIS THIS THIS NuclearDem Jan 2015 #45

You are apparently unaware of how many assumptions are required to reach your conclusions. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #58

Your false equivalence is not even worth bothering with, here. Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #59

"Deal with it"? Who, me? NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #61

I strongly suggest you do that. Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #62

Why not both, Warren? Why not both? NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #64

Why can't the sun be full of both fusing hydrogen AND orange angels? Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #66

Science is always open to new information. Seems to be the biggest difference. Major Nikon Jan 2015 #67

Really? Maybe the scientific method??? Nt Logical Jan 2015 #18

Tide goes in, tide goes out. zappaman Jan 2015 #27

Makes me wonder skepticscott Jan 2015 #37

lolz! Seriously Skip? JNelson6563 Jan 2015 #38

Both topics, science and spirituality, entertain me to no end, Julie. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #40

Oooh, that sounds good. Personally, I can hardly wait. Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #60

oy beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #65

Limited, objectively verifiable claims? cheapdate Jan 2015 #55

My simple view on it: The Straight Story Jan 2015 #12

Nice post! Nt Logical Jan 2015 #19

Outlandish assertions are like whiskey in wooden barrels. Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #15

How is the american political mythos any different than creative speculation? ND-Dem Jan 2015 #20

most reasonable religious people would admit it is about belief JI7 Jan 2015 #21

Religion is philosophy with ritual attached to it. Such blatant ignorance KittyWampus Jan 2015 #22

One of them is crazy talk. nt MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #25

True Major Nikon Jan 2015 #68

Since this is a Democratic board where people presumably hope to see Democrats elected onenote Jan 2015 #31

Well because in the long run, ending a reliance on religion for All Americans el_bryanto Jan 2015 #41

I would ask if religion could be considered, in some instances... the same as meditation. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #32

Mocking/questioning/disagreeing with the latter is (mostly) deemed acceptable. Behind the Aegis Jan 2015 #33

Should people such as Jimmy Carter be subject to more ridicule? Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #42

Are we discussing ridiculing the person or the religion? nt Logical Jan 2015 #43

could you separate the two in this instance? ProdigalJunkMail Jan 2015 #50

Some believers have a visceral religious experience, thucythucy Jan 2015 #51

Funny, back when it was the dungeon whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #54