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324. The last honest, clean candidate was Jimmy Carter?

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 11:21 AM

Jan 2015

I think you missed that President Obama is pretty scandal free. If you are speaking just of his marriage - it is hard to get a more picture perfect family than the Obamas.

Not to mention, John Kerry was honest and as clean as it gets in DC. Al Gore's family was an asset and at the point that he ran his marriage was seen as strong. There was no scandal about Dukakis - Kitty dealt with depression, but that was not a sign that her husband was not clean and honest. George McCovern was accused of many things by Republicans but not dishonesty of any dirty politics or actions. I honestly know almost nothing of Mondale.

So, really it is Clinton who is the aberration -- not Carter. By and large, the nominees chosen by the Democrats have been honest, clean and decent men. (John Edwards never was near to being the nominee - he won only one contested primary - South Carolina - in two years of running for President. Although there were early hints in late 2007 that he had been unfaithful, the media pretty much helped him blow the accusations off. )

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Flight Logs Put Clinton, Dershowitz on Pedophile Billionaire�s Sex Jet [View all] TheNutcracker Jan 2015 OP

Clinton has been named as one of Epstein's closest friends, this crapola has come up before TheNutcracker Jan 2015 #1

bill clinton is an ass hole. Even hanging with people like this roguevalley Jan 2015 #17

That's right. Paling around with a pedo. Ojeezus. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #61

I'm not going to go through this again with him, them-either way, true or not his assocations were appalachiablue Jan 2015 #83

Bill Clinton is the mysogynist here LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #98

Yes it really brings out strong feelings, wives get the shame, shun, anger a lot. Also cuz he's appalachiablue Jan 2015 #220

It's possible the Clintons have an open relationship. Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #223

I agree, quite possible get the red out Jan 2015 #283

We never hear about her with other men or women, though. merrily Jan 2015 #335

I have heard that Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #390

What came up first are crappy sources. I meant something more credible than that. merrily Jan 2015 #392

What I find fascinating is the seemingly absolute notion. Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #396

Thanks for that implication, but I am not operating off a fairy tale or a notion. merrily Jan 2015 #398

Yes, whathehell Jan 2015 #427

Well, I don't see how Hillary is to blame Yo_Mama Jan 2015 #192

I don't think Hillary is to blame at all. But he's her husband, with a long, difficult past of appalachiablue Jan 2015 #199

Some women wouldn't vote for Hillary because of this. Yo_Mama Jan 2015 #247

See, now, you just articulated what I was thinking about all this brouhaha. chervilant Jan 2015 #401

She puts up with it. merrily Jan 2015 #336

No way did she know he was involved in this. Yo_Mama Jan 2015 #399

I still don't know if he was involved in "this." merrily Jan 2015 #412

Kick to the greatest...don't let the media hide this. TheNutcracker Jan 2015 #2

+1000 nt 99th_Monkey Jan 2015 #8

Absolutely. I'm fairly new, how does this get kicked to The Greatest? Just from more recs? appalachiablue Jan 2015 #92

After 5 recs it goes onto the greatest page....so many just review that page daily. TheNutcracker Jan 2015 #173

That's quite the non-sequitur. "The media" isn't hiding this; I'm sure FOX will be all over it ... Hekate Jan 2015 #230

From Game Change: AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #3

Exactly, the reason the party should look beyond the Clinton's for 2016. TheNutcracker Jan 2015 #4

Hillary didnt do this....she should file for a legal separation if this is true adigal Jan 2015 #135

Hillary knew about it and enabled it, just as she did throughout her marriage. Divernan Jan 2015 #177

Many others with the same problems have have held the WH and been in all walks and times appalachiablue Jan 2015 #217

I think there was even a scandal about Eisenhower and a member of his Army staff. JDPriestly Jan 2015 #380

Eisenhower had a realtionship with Kay Summersby of the Brit. Transport Corps who was his appalachiablue Jan 2015 #389

I don't think anyone wants Bill as first lady ripcord Jan 2015 #239

And Jennifer Flowers before Monica and gawd knows who else.... TheNutcracker Feb 2015 #444

With all she's been through, and at her age she might be so weary that the I'd like to kill him appalachiablue Jan 2015 #204

Gina Gershon was often mentioned. roguevalley Jan 2015 #18

I agree. AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #195

Erica Jong can go f herself. Nice articles. Thanks. roguevalley Jan 2015 #226

I've seen it here. Feminists calling out Lewinksy and giving Bill the pass. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #236

You've seen it here? chervilant Jan 2015 #245

I haven't seen it here either. zappaman Jan 2015 #297

I realize this was not addressed to me, AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #303

I am not a Hillary fan, but never posted my reasons.. But, here it is.. OLDMADAM Jan 2015 #331

Not my biggest reason, but I am sick of having this stuff come up again and again. merrily Jan 2015 #338

Remember when democrats sighed a 'whew!' with Edwards, dodging the bullet LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #342

This particular person claimed to be a Feminist, but I didn't believe her LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #304

That is the point. AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #307

He doesn't get a free pass from me. chervilant Jan 2015 #313

Sleepless night? chervilant Jan 2015 #312

I mentioned an extreme example. There are others who claim and LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #314

Oh... chervilant Jan 2015 #316

We do have that in common then, DU repulses me as well at times. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #317

Well, you don't have to worry about that anymore, do you? nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #468

True. But if Monica Lewinsky had not wanted the notoriety, she would not have mentioned JDPriestly Jan 2015 #382

Linda Tripp had a lot to do with the blue dress... chervilant Jan 2015 #400

"the dress, which she had been saving a souvenir." JDPriestly Jan 2015 #405

Are you responding defensively? chervilant Jan 2015 #406

Agreed. JDPriestly Jan 2015 #410

If Monica hadn't saved the dress Yupster Jan 2015 #421

ughh. She saved the sheets so she could brag about her conquest later. That is my opinion. JDPriestly Jan 2015 #424

Thanks for this, very interesting. Sure, vamp Monica tempted sweet Willy. Right. I recall appalachiablue Jan 2015 #237

If Lewinsky had not cherished the dress with HIS semen on it, there would have been less JDPriestly Jan 2015 #381

Bill has a bigger problem than I realized. Just a photo like this looks bad politically, let alone ND-Dem Jan 2015 #21

OMG! Bill caressing a blonde w/ world's biggest boob job! Divernan Jan 2015 #179

You made it sound like he had his hands on her breasts. Instead he is holding her upper arm. Hekate Jan 2015 #231

You should use a dictionary. Major undereducated mind there. Divernan Jan 2015 #238

Suuuuuuure Hekate Jan 2015 #243

This photo was cropped to intentionally make him look bad Matt_in_STL Jan 2015 #253

do you have some evidence for that? ND-Dem Jan 2015 #266

Yep - link below Matt_in_STL Jan 2015 #298

Thank you. I appreciate the correction. That's Tricia Nixon Cox's soon to be ex-daughter-in-law? ND-Dem Jan 2015 #300

Even with her mother in the photo, it still looks creepy. merrily Jan 2015 #340

So blame the wife for her husband's alleged actions? JoePhilly Jan 2015 #60

Of course dsc Jan 2015 #62

Agree, sadly all these rich and powerful people are pretty disgusting, I am learning more and NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #77

Which one will starve us? bvar22 Jan 2015 #148

Both will, so dont vote for either, and let the one who will kill your pregnant sister in office NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #155

You're confusing me. Are you planning to stay home and not vote, or just telling others to do so? Hekate Jan 2015 #232

NO, I am going to vote for the Dem NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #258

Mitch Daniels an interesting example Yupster Jan 2015 #422

It is not us who will blame Hillary but it is stupid to believe that the Rs won't and even more to jwirr Jan 2015 #127

^^^^This.^^^^ nt City Lights Jan 2015 #211

That is exactly what the op researchers and Koch Broths. will do! TheNutcracker Jan 2015 #425

Dersh still denying everything. moondust Jan 2015 #5

Dirtowitless has scared animal eyes in that clip. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #63

I believe Dershowitz. Until proven otherwise, I will believe the denials of Dershowitz and of JDPriestly Jan 2015 #121

The Democratic Party has been divided for some time now. The Democratic Wing rhett o rick Jan 2015 #137

I watched that interview and Dershowitz was lying his ass off.. snooper2 Jan 2015 #252

Dershowitz is in this up to his neck AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #308

He claims to have never flown with younger women Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #228

It's a serious accusation and should not be believed unless absolutely proven. JDPriestly Jan 2015 #384

Flight logs don't lie. Clinton also flew with him recently after the girl filed the charges. TheNutcracker Jan 2015 #6

T^H^I^S is reason enough 99th_Monkey Jan 2015 #11

So Hillary shuld be disqualified for the actions of her husband? Agnosticsherbet Jan 2015 #205

When we have advance knowledge of something like this 99th_Monkey Jan 2015 #210

Well, I disagree. I don't think Hillary's candicacy should be sunk because Bill flew with some Agnosticsherbet Jan 2015 #284

This is where we agree 99th_Monkey Jan 2015 #286

If you objectioin is to Secretary Clinton, President Obama, and President Clinton's ecomomic Agnosticsherbet Jan 2015 #287

Like it or not, that is the way of politics. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #288

I am sure Republians will be happy to know that tarring Hillary with Bill's plane ticket will work. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2015 #290

Did I just spill the beans and put the future of America at risk? LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #291

I prefer to talk policy rather than smear a woman with her husbands actions. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2015 #293

But it's REPUBLICANS who Hillary will be running against in General Election 99th_Monkey Jan 2015 #294

Let us not forget Rev. Wright and THAT guilt by association. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #296

Tarring her with actions tha ther husband may or may not have done is Agnosticsherbet Jan 2015 #416

How about for her own acts and omissions? merrily Jan 2015 #337

Her policies and ideas is what we should look at when we make a decidison about who to support. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2015 #414

No, not disqualify her. But she will be hammered and people will tire of it and NOT VOTE 4 HILLARY TheNutcracker Jan 2015 #413

Well, I suppose a sexist based attack on her because of something her husband may or may not Agnosticsherbet Jan 2015 #415

I'll be looking at what she has already done & said 99th_Monkey Jan 2015 #417

Sure they do....... Capt.Rocky300 Jan 2015 #12

Very true, but most of your explanation Ilsa Jan 2015 #41

+10. The Bottom Line politically for Hillary & Dems, the rest noise even if some's unfair & untrue. appalachiablue Jan 2015 #75

It didn't stop Bill, so it shouldn't stop Hillary treestar Jan 2015 #90

If it was only that simple & rational. He's not some obscure insurance man in Indiana who strayed appalachiablue Jan 2015 #233

Yeah but he seems like teflon treestar Jan 2015 #244

Tell that to the voters...Bill did it...not Hillary. Oh, and will she be hiding Bill on the trail? TheNutcracker Feb 2015 #466

''He makes John Edwards look like a good guy'' LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #100

absurd statement. wyldwolf Jan 2015 #200

Yes Johnnie Boy, golden hair looks kinda stable in hindsight. What a great woman Eliz. Edwards. appalachiablue Jan 2015 #221

that makes no sense samsingh Jan 2015 #277

Not likely here karynnj Jan 2015 #54

I often make several flights before I write anything in my logbook Major Nikon Jan 2015 #126

Could he have involved all these well known men with the idea that he would be safe even if jwirr Jan 2015 #134

But how would you prove that? And wouldn't the damage be done? JDPriestly Jan 2015 #377

I agree with you completely Major........ Capt.Rocky300 Jan 2015 #193

That was my thought Major Nikon Jan 2015 #213

I have a friend who is a private pilot Yupster Jan 2015 #423

Did he let the monkey fly the airplane? Capt.Rocky300 Jan 2015 #428

This is outside my experience also AngryAmish Jan 2015 #209

This is nothing more than a pilot recording unnecessary information in his personal logbook Major Nikon Jan 2015 #215

In my long and varied career....... Capt.Rocky300 Jan 2015 #218

So what are we to make of this? AngryAmish Jan 2015 #222

See my previous posts..... Capt.Rocky300 Jan 2015 #229

this should be interesting. nt Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #7

The Return of the Clenis!!! AnnieBW Jan 2015 #9

actually, he did flop it out for an intern. It isn't like they roguevalley Jan 2015 #19

Totally. I will never forgive him for being led around by his dick like that. bemildred Jan 2015 #42

Exact metaphor I always used jollyreaper2112 Jan 2015 #43

+100. Hasn't learned & doesn't care about the damage & fallout to us. Thanks Bubba. appalachiablue Jan 2015 #104

Yawn Beaverhausen Jan 2015 #10

BFD Gman Jan 2015 #13

They does it. I will not vote for Bill Clinton in 2016. nt geek tragedy Jan 2015 #14

obama has eaten meals with war criminals in the white house. so what nt msongs Jan 2015 #15

This is nauseating. BeanMusical Jan 2015 #16

Hanging around pedophiles doesn't ever seem to hurt the repubs Lordquinton Jan 2015 #20

Very true. Any criminal, womanizing, sociopathic behavior is good for Repubs Triana Jan 2015 #23

Weiner vs Vitter, look who came out smelling like rose scented diapers Lordquinton Jan 2015 #24

"There is no coincidence that this is in the news again" Triana Jan 2015 #28

Ugh jollyreaper2112 Jan 2015 #44

everyone? dsc Jan 2015 #64

You didn't , neither did I, must be a coincidence./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #65

Ugh jollyreaper2112 Jan 2015 #70

He accidentally posted an underwear pic for seconds before removing it Lordquinton Jan 2015 #151

Hell, the mainstream media won't even talk about it unless a Republican politician... hunter Jan 2015 #87

Poppy Bush had his own 'Jennifer Problem' Octafish Jan 2015 #216

Exactly. City Lights Jan 2015 #214

Yes. It's unfair, but that is the way it is. JDPriestly Jan 2015 #378

Welp, so much for Hillary's candidacy fbc Jan 2015 #22

A pedophile is a man or woman who is attracted to or has sexual relations... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #25

Proof? You demand proof? Behind the Aegis Jan 2015 #26

Let me preface my remarks by saying adults having sex with minors is mala per se. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #29

I agree. Behind the Aegis Jan 2015 #30

I know you know what the word means. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #31

"confirmation bias" Behind the Aegis Jan 2015 #33

"it is what it is" but you and I can take solace in the fact these attempts will fail... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #35

Let's hope. Behind the Aegis Jan 2015 #36

Politics is war by other means. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #37

Whether the story has any truth (and even if Clinton rode in that plane, it does not mean JDPriestly Jan 2015 #379

You are demanding fairness. But have Republicans ever given Democrats fairness. JDPriestly Jan 2015 #32

Yes, these witch hunts against the Clintons have been unfailingly effective... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #34

I don't understand what you mean here: LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #74

My point is that the Clinton sex scandals end up nowhere. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #76

The fact that a cheater and a pal to a pedophile still has good ratings LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #79

You know who was a practitioner of guilt by association ? This guy DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #85

o yes, the commie card. Pull it out! LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #88

POINT. FLY OVER.HEAD DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #93

exactly the same! LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #96

You are a good student. Pats LawdeeDah on head. Gives him or her a cookie. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #101

Accusing someone of being a communist is not the same LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #103

Larry Summers, Kevin Spacey, Chris Tucker and Gayle Smith* were on the manifest? DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #107

woah, you are so far off the branch of topic LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #108

They were on the manifest DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #110

is Spacey running for office? Wow, guess House of Cards LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #111

"Is Spacey running for office? Wow, guess House of Cards gives him an edge" DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #116

Spacey does not like young girls AngryAmish Jan 2015 #212

OK. Three scenarios are possible here. (Maybe more but I see three right away.) JDPriestly Jan 2015 #113

Yet with all this Bill Clinton has a current favorability rating of 64%... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #118

Yeah that won't last long if any of this is true rjsquirrel Jan 2015 #302

Good post but I have to strongly disagree with one of your statements. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #120

You are very, very correct about this point. Thank you. JDPriestly Jan 2015 #388

The last honest, clean candidate was Jimmy Carter? karynnj Jan 2015 #324

I don't think that Kerry or Gore Or Mondale were even questioned about their sex lives or JDPriestly Jan 2015 #391

Was that condescending post supposed to rile me up or something? LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #115

I have never lost an argument. My record is as pristine as this fella: DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #119

I don't watch baseball. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #123

He's a jockey./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #124

you're saying that hilary associating with her husband is the same as an actor unknowingly ND-Dem Jan 2015 #125

Another guy or gal who misses the point. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #128

so hilary and bill are now analogous to two strangers on a plane? yeah, i guess i miss your ND-Dem Jan 2015 #129

Bill Clinton had no idea Jeffrey Epstein was a ped DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #131

How do you know this? Did you have one of those magical lunches with him? LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #132

Know what? DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #136

so bill's in the habit of hopping on planes with people who haven't been vetted? i doubt it. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #139

And their affiliation ended well before his activities were known./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #144

When did it end, exactly? That's a point I've been unable to find any discussion of. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #152

Look at how old the flight logs are./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #160

iow, you don't know. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #162

Good point. Yet see how easily that fact is overlooked. JDPriestly Jan 2015 #394

Do you teach Can'tMakeAClearPoint 101, is that why you have cookies on you? LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #130

Those are for my students DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #141

Ah, would explain the education system and the falling behind in world standards. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #145

Only those poor lads and lasses who missed my courses./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #147

Gads, this is not about a sex life vs. privacy issue! This is about sex slaves and minors!!!!!!! TheNutcracker Feb 2015 #471

His accusations, almost entirely false, held Americans in suspense. He ruined many lives, but JDPriestly Jan 2015 #385

I rather be accused of being a communist than a pedohile. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #387

You sir, have it precisely correct. 99Forever Jan 2015 #56

Well Said vankuria Jan 2015 #67

+1000 appalachiablue Jan 2015 #109

+1000. Regardless of Repugs doing the same, they control most $, media & spin. In his appalachiablue Jan 2015 #78

A progressive blog doesn't need proof, if we don't like someone still_one Jan 2015 #138

You win post of the day./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #142

That someone has laid himself a history of deceit and fibs. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #149

except reading this thread it seems they are accusing Hillary by proxy still_one Jan 2015 #201

I don't see that, what I see is that she will be hurt by this if she runs. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #219

I am not sure if that is the no brainier you suggest. Are people going to be more concerned with still_one Jan 2015 #225

fine, have it your way - a candidate whose husband was involved with a pedophile is no big deal. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #227

I didn't say it would or would not, I said you cannot predict. Bill Clinton had a BJ in the oval still_one Jan 2015 #234

Ayres and Wright were petty, peripheral issues in Obama's case. JDPriestly Jan 2015 #395

I hope this isn't the reason the country doesn't want HRC. She has her own baggage. nm rhett o rick Jan 2015 #140

Blaming "the vast right wing conspiracy" on TV for "lying" about Monica to hurt her poor dear hubby merrily Jan 2015 #344

No problem, as Bill isn't one. Beacool Jan 2015 #409

Welp, that's an unfortunate association, right there. TwilightGardener Jan 2015 #27

Teen �Sex Slave� Reveals Alleged Details Of Bill Clinton�s Trip To Jeffrey Epstein�s Orgy Island PoliticAverse Jan 2015 #38

Since this is an ersatz porn thread I'll post the money shot. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #39

The 'prooogreeessssivvves' on this thread believe all of this story... except that part. LOL. wyldwolf Jan 2015 #50

Many of the so called progressives were as enamored of the Lewinski brouhaha... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #59

But WHY hang out with a perv? Again and again...when you wife wants to be the President???? TheNutcracker Feb 2015 #437

You love bumping this thread. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #438

"Sex jet" BeyondGeography Jan 2015 #40

I saw that tabloid headline the other day actually RiverLover Jan 2015 #46

Classic honey trap. So was Monica. leveymg Jan 2015 #45

Sadly, an "it was the JOOOOOOS" post was almost inevitable. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #47

Not the first time that Bill fell into one. Gordon . . . leveymg Jan 2015 #48

Thanks for mentioning Thomas's book Gideon's Spies.. I have been meaning to read it.. 2banon Jan 2015 #84

Your JOOOOOOS don't equal the government of Israel. Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #51

big fucking deal and so what! there are things people can argue with this, but big fucking deal? seabeyond Jan 2015 #49

+1 well said nt Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #143

whatsamatta with old guys looking for sex? LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #163

+10 840high Jan 2015 #402

Epstein isn't a pedophile fishwax Jan 2015 #52

Lulz for defending a registered sex offender... Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #53

I didn't defend him. fishwax Jan 2015 #55

I subscribe to the "if you look under thirty" policy you need to provide identification. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #57

Maybe you missed the part about being held against their will. nt B2G Jan 2015 #66

No, I didn't miss that fishwax Jan 2015 #114

I don't think 'Ephebophilia' is specifically against the law. Marr Jan 2015 #71

no, but rape is fishwax Jan 2015 #117

Good point. Marr Jan 2015 #133

"I did Not have sex with that woman". Not even remotely since sex only involves intercourse, appalachiablue Jan 2015 #156

I'm sorry, but I don't think I understand your post fishwax Jan 2015 #166

No I didn't write that Epstein is a pedophile, you did. From your posts, you are very appalachiablue Jan 2015 #180

sorry, but you're not making any sense. And I didn't write that. I wrote the opposite fishwax Jan 2015 #196

Why on earth are you asking if I think Clinton is a pedophile based on the Lewinsky lie he told to appalachiablue Jan 2015 #203

I see your point about Clinton now fishwax Jan 2015 #224

That's interesting about concern for victims and their healing & coping. 5 years ago I found appalachiablue Jan 2015 #235

It means he's a statutory rapist. Serial - & ephebophile. Yo_Mama Jan 2015 #194

I agree completely fishwax Jan 2015 #198

Epstein own sister said after 15 Epstein no longer wanted them for himself. Too old 15 is for him. TheNutcracker Jan 2015 #356

Reason number 3,487 this crazy family has zero business even considering a WH run. tridim Jan 2015 #58

Thank you. nt RiverLover Jan 2015 #68

Absolutely. And for those that separate Hillary and Bill like they were strangers LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #72

Well. I may have my faults, Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #69

What about a plain ordinary sex jet? treestar Jan 2015 #91

Unless you count JetBlue flights to Florida as "sex jets", I would have to say no. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #154

What to call the looney guy on Virgin Air who was going at it solo in the aisle & attendants had appalachiablue Jan 2015 #187

oops.. My guess is this will kill HRC's presidential run. 2banon Jan 2015 #73

So, was Hillary on those flights? MineralMan Jan 2015 #80

Are you serious? 2banon Jan 2015 #86

You may remember that Bill Clinton was elected to a second term, MineralMan Jan 2015 #89

If memory serves, Lewinsky revelations came out in second term. 2banon Jan 2015 #94

I think you're in for some real surprises in the next two years. MineralMan Jan 2015 #95

I hope they're pleasant surprises.. :) 2banon Jan 2015 #97

For some they'll be pleasant, anyhow. MineralMan Jan 2015 #99

Yes it will be interesting to see who will be selected as the nominee.. 2banon Jan 2015 #102

I'm not concerned with what the right wing does. MineralMan Jan 2015 #105

This one was easy. OilemFirchen Jan 2015 #122

I don't rely on memory. I rely on facts. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #182

Yeah I remember all that, too well. And the shocker, ugly Jenifer Flowers six year Texas appalachiablue Jan 2015 #168

Gawd, your post made me realize Arugula Latte Jan 2015 #257

bratty manchild LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #325

This story is about young girls held captive and used as sex slaves. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #175

Actually, it's about a former President flying on an airplane. OilemFirchen Jan 2015 #191

and? It's no secret that I don't trust or like the Clintons LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #240

It's the difference in how much cash you have vs. the Koch Bros. TheNutcracker Feb 2015 #472

Systematic pedophilia is one of my personal, "unsubstantiated" conspiracies about the powerful. RadiationTherapy Jan 2015 #81

. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #82

so what countries supplied the underage hookers? quadrature Jan 2015 #106

Why did you leave the US out? LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #146

There is an actress named Chauntae Davies on IMDB kwassa Jan 2015 #112

Interesting... the author of this article... OKNancy Jan 2015 #150

many more sources out there. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #153

Not making it up. I don't think it's any big deal however. But this guy has an agenda OKNancy Jan 2015 #157

Riding on an airplane used for crime does make a story LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #158

Back in the 90s A LOT of sources picked up on initial stories wyldwolf Jan 2015 #159

I see nerves are getting twitchy. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #161

You don't see anything wyldwolf Jan 2015 #164

DU is a hotpot of gossip and speculation. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #165

True enough wyldwolf Jan 2015 #167

Okay then, be as careful as you like. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #171

I was there, Bill WAS the "progressive savior" we voted for, then didn't get. RiverLover Jan 2015 #174

Dude, Jerry Brown was the 'progressive' choice in '92. wyldwolf Jan 2015 #178

But it was fact, I was there. Just b/c Jerry Brown was considered more left, doesn't RiverLover Jan 2015 #183

You'll find very few Democrats who thought Bill Clinton was a progressive saviour wyldwolf Jan 2015 #184

Well, we figured that out once he took office. Hindsight is 20/20. nt RiverLover Jan 2015 #185

Bill Clinton campaigned as a centrist. If you thought he was a progressive savior ... wyldwolf Jan 2015 #186

Wrong again. Here's his populist campaign speech from 1992~ RiverLover Jan 2015 #188

I haven't been wrong yet wyldwolf Jan 2015 #190

oh baloney. you're the revisionist. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #267

oh baloney. you're the revisionist. wyldwolf Jan 2015 #275

This message was self-deleted by its author LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #169

Kick!!! TheNutcracker Jan 2015 #170

Wow! MissDeeds Jan 2015 #172

We need something to keep us entertained until the next round of polls... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #176

If a Republican did something like this...oh, wait... Atman Jan 2015 #181

This crosses party lines..... TheNutcracker Jan 2015 #189

All the time? philosslayer Jan 2015 #197

Yes, I have LITERALLY thousands of them. Atman Jan 2015 #206

From the Franklin Scandal... TheNutcracker Jan 2015 #419

So 13 years ago, Bill Clinton was friends with someone cheapdate Jan 2015 #202

Not the first time Clinton associated with Epstein before or after his arrest. TheNutcracker Jan 2015 #246

Oh! My heavens! Billionaire pedophile sex toys at Chelsea's wedding?!? cheapdate Jan 2015 #249

The powerful think they are impervious. They buy their way out of things us ordinary peasants can't. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #386

The Dastardly Clenis has learned to FLY! Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #207

Party over personal ambitions. Hillary represents an unacceptable risk LittleBlue Jan 2015 #208

+++ LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #285

Monica all over again? She just came out with a book and is ready to hit the trail too! TheNutcracker Jan 2015 #403

Apparently Epstein had 21 different phone numbers for Clinton on �burner phones.� LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #241

"Apparently" we have people here doing the work for Repubs zappaman Jan 2015 #242

and '''''Apparently'''''', losing the Gen to a Repug all in the name of LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #248

Maybe you should try Whisp... zappaman Jan 2015 #250

lol. That's all you got? LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #254

Maybe I should ask JaydenD? n/t zappaman Jan 2015 #259

are you host or mirt? i know you are often. are you using the discussion in that exclusive group seabeyond Jan 2015 #263

Call out? No, I'm Whisp... zappaman Jan 2015 #264

wtf are you talking about? i do not want to hunt the info, if you are mirt. i asked. i am also seabeyond Jan 2015 #265

I wasn't positive until you confirmed it, so thanks! zappaman Jan 2015 #273

if this is indicative of you thinking process, it is a fail. you walked into this thread and made seabeyond Jan 2015 #278

Actually I have called out returning misogynist trolls. zappaman Jan 2015 #280

and yet, you continue to ignore the question, if you use your mirt privilege to call out a poster. seabeyond Jan 2015 #281

Who says I'm on MIRT? n/t zappaman Jan 2015 #282

which was the first thing i asked on this stupid little subthread. and asked again, and again. seabeyond Jan 2015 #289

The list of current MIRT is in the Announcements group. tammywammy Jan 2015 #327

yes. i know it is posted. i didnt know where. i didnt want to hunt. hence, a simple question. seabeyond Jan 2015 #332

someone emailed me the jury results from one of those posts LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #355

Yes, it's interesting to see who likes to return here after being banned. zappaman Jan 2015 #359

indeed LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #363

Why should I do your work for you? zappaman Jan 2015 #362

you can play this silly game thru out this subthread, but answering a simple question is "work" seabeyond Jan 2015 #364

I know of someone on another board now that was driven away from here because LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #366

I follow you around? zappaman Jan 2015 #367

A pattern seems to be emerging! LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #369

The pattern seems....whispy. zappaman Jan 2015 #370

You must be onto something! LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #372

ask the Great Karnak if you like. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #268

Do you know what a pedophile is? Beaverhausen Jan 2015 #261

no, I don't know what a peophile is. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #269

Do you have proof of that other than Gawker? Beaverhausen Jan 2015 #251

Story is developing, speculation and gossip are expected. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #255

you are the one who said it. Beaverhausen Jan 2015 #260

You won't get any answer. zappaman Jan 2015 #262

Sorry, I can't help you with hiding a story like this. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #272

Funny that I am getting such special attention from a certain group since LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #270

A certain group? what the fuck does that mean? Beaverhausen Jan 2015 #274

Apparently WALKING DEAD is back. zappaman Jan 2015 #276

There are some very stalwart Clinton fans here - that group. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #279

I'm so sick of this stuff. leftyladyfrommo Jan 2015 #256

Best OP ever!!!!!!!!!!!!! NCTraveler Jan 2015 #271

So we're doing guilt by association now? alarimer Jan 2015 #292

Well thank God he is not running for President. dilby Jan 2015 #295

some things truly are inevitable. reddread Jan 2015 #299

Meh. Spider Jerusalem Jan 2015 #301

in rhis case think critically about the messenger olddots Jan 2015 #305

it's a legitimate news story AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #306

because Papantonio and Wayne Madsen say so? wyldwolf Jan 2015 #309

from court records & because it's newsworthy AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #310

Because the smoking gun says so? wyldwolf Jan 2015 #311

So all this is part of some vast, right wing conspiracy? LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #318

You tell us. wyldwolf Jan 2015 #319

Deny it all you like, it's not a false story. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #321

It's your conclusions that are in doubt wyldwolf Jan 2015 #322

I'm glad you brought up the Guilt by Association, reminds me of Rev. Wright LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #323

Completely irrelevant, but if you MUST go there... wyldwolf Jan 2015 #328

You brought up Guilt by Association. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #333

Good to see you're admitting your obsession with this story is guilt by association. wyldwolf Jan 2015 #341

Me thinking Hillary is unfit for Presidency is not retaliating against attacks on Obama. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #343

But it is what you just said. Flip flop? wyldwolf Jan 2015 #346

That's out of line to say the poster should go to FR or Faux. zappaman Jan 2015 #353

I remember once... wyldwolf Jan 2015 #354

Pretty much, yeah zappaman Jan 2015 #360

this is only the tip of whats coming from the Horn Dog reddread Jan 2015 #315

Horn Dog? Right wing sources and now right wing insults? wyldwolf Jan 2015 #320

Grasping at Straws: LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #326

No, just fond memories of a DU not so infested with right wing talking points wyldwolf Jan 2015 #329

and you hold this same point of view when the President, for example, is called a Piece of Shit LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #334

So you're saying this in retaliation for people disrespecting the President? wyldwolf Jan 2015 #339

No. but I notice how the rules for Hillary and the rules for Obama are quite different. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #345

You deny, then confirm again this is about attacks on Obama. wyldwolf Jan 2015 #347

whatever floats your boat, I sort went flaccid caring what you think. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #349

Apparently it's what floats yours wyldwolf Jan 2015 #350

+10 appalachiablue Jan 2015 #352

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2015 #330

I'm sick of hearing about Clinton's escapades, but I don't know how reliable flight logs are. merrily Jan 2015 #348

I'm not solid on the time line here, but am pretty sure Clinton was called LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #351

"I'm not solid on the time line" zappaman Jan 2015 #361

Hi, you again? Did you lose something you think I have? LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #368

It all depends on what the meaning of the word 'log' is. n/t benz380 Jan 2015 #365

I have not had communications relationships with 21 burner phones... LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #374

Epstein had 26 phone numbers for Bill Clinton. That is NOT just an aquaintance! TheNutcracker Jan 2015 #357

What the ?! Who has that many phone numbers?! Arugula Latte Jan 2015 #358

APPARENTLY they were 'burner' phones - used to avoid leaving trails in illegal activities. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #371

SOME would say (FOX News 101: Lesson One) wyldwolf Jan 2015 #375

But 25 of those numbers were 867-5309. Karmadillo Jan 2015 #373

Ahhh, it's so nice to come to a Democratic site such as this one. Beacool Jan 2015 #376

where we remember Gary Hart, Willie Horton and all the other lessons conveniently forgot. reddread Jan 2015 #383

Try to remember that Bill Clinton is not running for office. Beacool Jan 2015 #393

you might want to explain that to oppo research reddread Jan 2015 #397

Don't count on it. All the campaign defense is so co$tly. Koch will hit every voter mailbox! TheNutcracker Jan 2015 #404

And now here comes Bengazi TheNutcracker Jan 2015 #407

My oh my...this is the most interesting thread of the year, but not because of the topic. Rex Jan 2015 #408

Ironic autorank Jan 2015 #411

Now Hillary is postponing.... TheNutcracker Jan 2015 #418

PS. That rumor came from Politico, saying she wanted to work on her message TheNutcracker Jan 2015 #420

Weekend kickoff! Dershowitz should tell the truth, or it will continue to spread! TheNutcracker Jan 2015 #426

How do you know he's not telling the truth? zappaman Jan 2015 #429

I read the court complaint, you can't make up what she said. Says had sex with Dersh several times! TheNutcracker Jan 2015 #431

"you can't make up what she said" zappaman Jan 2015 #434

i will put down $100 that this is another crazy clinton conspiracy La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2015 #430

The last time Epstein was popped it was said and shown he's a very close friend of Bill's. TheNutcracker Jan 2015 #432

saturday kick! TheNutcracker Jan 2015 #433

Not so much about what they have on Clinton other than continued association with a known pedo TheNutcracker Feb 2015 #435

sunday kick! TheNutcracker Feb 2015 #436

Monday kick along with the clinton poll showing lackluster support against Warren TheNutcracker Feb 2015 #439

PS. Dershbag will be hitting the nooze shows again we hear.... TheNutcracker Feb 2015 #440

Kick! While we push for Warren and Sanders...Koch's will be using this! TheNutcracker Feb 2015 #441

OH DEAR! The accuser is now naming (GASP!) Tipper Gore!! wyldwolf Feb 2015 #442

Laugh all you want. This is not the first time Clinton has been associated with this known perv TheNutcracker Feb 2015 #445

But it's the first time for Al and Tipper Gore. And Chris Rock and Kevin Spacey... maybe... wyldwolf Feb 2015 #448

Fiat justitia ruat caelum! laserhaas Feb 2015 #443

Exactly! TheNutcracker Feb 2015 #446

Oh my god....you are the perfect addition to this thread. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #459

may very own personal naysay, groupie laserhaas Feb 2015 #467

Eccentric investor? That's too coy by half. The guy is a convicted pedophile. It isn't slander to Monk06 Feb 2015 #447

The media is involved as well. All tools.....of control. Just like the pics Epstein has!! TheNutcracker Feb 2015 #449

The Daily Mail story on this similar to Gawker! TheNutcracker Feb 2015 #450

Start naming the republicans who participated in Epstiens brothel. Dont call me Shirley Feb 2015 #451

I can't but I guarantee You , there are scads . n/t orpupilofnature57 Feb 2015 #453

As good as a manager as he was , he's a misanthrope of the highest order orpupilofnature57 Feb 2015 #452

Everything has been corrputed via pedophile rings.... TheNutcracker Feb 2015 #454

Saturday kick....this case will be a problem when we least want it to be.... TheNutcracker Feb 2015 #455

Hey!!! nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #456

Now a more comprehensive story on the pedo rings and Epstein by Veterans Today KICK TheNutcracker Feb 2015 #457

TLDR DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #458

The general population has not read this stuff....been going on since the 80's! TheNutcracker Feb 2015 #460

I'll give you another kick. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #461

Thanks! This is the history thread that shows how it really works! TheNutcracker Feb 2015 #462

Veterans Today is an anti-Semitic hate site. tammywammy Feb 2015 #463

Gawker did the story here. The Vet Today is a collage of other MSM news story over the years TheNutcracker Feb 2015 #464

PS. What does your comment have to do with Prince Andrew? Or Clinton continuing his relationship TheNutcracker Feb 2015 #465

Then it should not be tolerated here, not for one second randys1 Feb 2015 #476

Now there's more here. The 'money bomb' and Clinton's 81million connection! TheNutcracker Feb 2015 #469

Thursday kick, lets address THIS NOW....media. What are they waiting for? TheNutcracker Feb 2015 #470

You seem to have a fascination with the GREAT AND POWERFUL Clenis. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #477

Classic zombie thread Jesus Malverde Feb 2015 #473

And return again after the primary.... TheNutcracker Feb 2015 #474

More coming out when court case progresses....it will be a real shit show. TheNutcracker Feb 2015 #475

This OP is a month old. lpbk2713 Feb 2015 #478

They'll probably quit kicking it shortly after you do Fumesucker Feb 2015 #481

I'll quit if you will. lpbk2713 Feb 2015 #482

I've only posted the once before in this thread Fumesucker Feb 2015 #486

Is there going to be rape charges? nilesobek Feb 2015 #479

It's human trafficking but Epstein has a record of not being charged. TheNutcracker Feb 2015 #484

I'm Ready for Hillary to Announce she is NOT Running Dems to Win Feb 2015 #480

This thread started a month ago, I hope you didn't hold your breath waiting LynneSin Feb 2015 #483

It's not just Gawker! This will come out when it's going to hurt the most; count on it! TheNutcracker Feb 2015 #485

You have heard of Rush Limbaugh and Fox News LynneSin Feb 2015 #487

Bill Clinton has close ties to a man who's been arrested for human trafficking BEFORE. Faux wannabe? TheNutcracker Feb 2015 #488

We are talking the same network that brings up Benghazi all the time LynneSin Feb 2015 #489