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socialist_n_TN

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44. To borrow a phrase, yes "We Can".......

Tue Jan 27, 2015, 12:01 PM

Jan 2015

HOWEVER we can't if we accept capitalism.

IMO, the biggest problem with Syriza AND with Podemos is that they aren't explicitly anti-capitalist. Yes, I know there are significant anti-capitalist elements involved in these coalitions, but those elements haven't been brought to the fore in this struggle. These are bourgeois workers and social movements that connect a LOT of the dots as to why we're in our current plight, but shy away from the ultimate solution, the destruction of capitalism and the institution of a workers' government and an economy built on the people's needs rather than the profit of the owners. IOW, these are still "reform" movements. They are trying to reform capitalism when the system when the laws of the system doesn't allow reform over the long haul.

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Funny how the party that doesn't think the Greek people should endure ...... [View all] marmar Jan 2015 OP

You know I very rarely rec posts...... socialist_n_TN Jan 2015 #1

Greetings from Spain. Ghost Dog Jan 2015 #38

To borrow a phrase, yes "We Can"....... socialist_n_TN Jan 2015 #44

They are radical...... so what does that make the third most popular party, the Golden Yawn...? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #2

I want to learn more about the Greek situation el_bryanto Jan 2015 #3

The Greek upper class is very corrupt. Worse even than ours. JDPriestly Jan 2015 #8

I believe it was that book that said SheilaT Jan 2015 #14

This could be coming to America too newfie11 Jan 2015 #4

No doubt. marmar Jan 2015 #5

After watching this happening for so many years newthinking Jan 2015 #9

This is what the true Supply Side Wellstone ruled Jan 2015 #6

The results of Supply Side are another of those inconvenient truths. Enthusiast Jan 2015 #17

Podemos leader Pablo Iglesias on Syriza and the struggle for a better Europe. octoberlib Jan 2015 #7

A lot of the people who call themselves patriots in the U.S. LuvNewcastle Jan 2015 #11

That needs to be posted everywhere BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #15

The oligarchs seem to enjoy the suffering of others. Enthusiast Jan 2015 #18

It makes one feel just that much richer BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #20

Thanks for the link, octoberlib. Ghost Dog Jan 2015 #43

In fairness MFrohike Jan 2015 #10

The kid who said, "The emperor has no clothes." was considered "radical" too. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #12

My heart is with the Greek people.. mountain grammy Jan 2015 #13

An argument can also be made that Greek resistance so threatened Mussolini's invasion in 1941 that KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #42

I think the neoliberals are deep in their own rabbit holes and don't realize we aren't following yurbud Jan 2015 #16

Krugman touches on that very subject. trumad Jan 2015 #19

Well, the 'radical' part is more about the debt forgiveness and possible exit from the Eurozone... Blue_Tires Jan 2015 #21

totally support what Syriza is trying to do . . FairWinds Jan 2015 #22

Pretty damn stupid considering Greece and Turkey are allied through NATO. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #24

Uh...Turkey. aquart Jan 2015 #25

Who do they think they are? Us? Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #26

Their military spending is 2.5% of GDP, as opposed to say, France's 2.2% of GDP or ND-Dem Jan 2015 #37

Well observed. Ghost Dog Jan 2015 #40

Spot on. Phlem Jan 2015 #23

Progressives want to change things IronLionZion Jan 2015 #27

Who owns the media that calls them "radical"? … the same ones who own politicians MrMickeysMom Jan 2015 #34

Why do they call the Greek situation "radical?" Because... TrollBuster9090 Jan 2015 #28

GoldmanSnachs needs to be prosecuted as a war criminal. Dont call me Shirley Jan 2015 #29

Goldman and its ilk should all be smashed to atoms, hifiguy Jan 2015 #30

Mutiny! Dont call me Shirley Jan 2015 #31

Arrrgh! hifiguy Jan 2015 #33

... Dont call me Shirley Jan 2015 #35

K&R ND-Dem Jan 2015 #32

How far down have they fallen? MrMickeysMom Jan 2015 #36

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Indeed. Ghost Dog Jan 2015 #41

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The Comunist Tendency in Syriza I believe is........ socialist_n_TN Jan 2015 #48

This is really astute analysis and I must defer to your superior understanding KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #49

Right back atcha........ socialist_n_TN Jan 2015 #50

Centralised top-down bolshevik-style single-party-led communism Ghost Dog Jan 2015 #52

Not much time this morning, but..... socialist_n_TN Jan 2015 #54

du rec. xchrom Jan 2015 #47

I can't help but think that most if them grew up duing the Reagan era, and Zorra Jan 2015 #51

To which I say - hedgehog Jan 2015 #53