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socialist_n_TN

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48. The Comunist Tendency in Syriza I believe is........
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 03:30 PM
Jan 2015

part of the International Marxist Tendency which is a Trotskyist organization. And "Stalinist" in this context strictly describes the method of party organization which is bureaucratic and issues orders from the top-down. It takes the concept of democratic-centralism and forgets the "democratic" part of it.

And I don't doubt that the IMT would call for a coalition with the KKE and/or PASOK. Those are supposedly working class based organizations as is Syriza. Which means that they would call for this type of coalition because the workers of Greece still have illusions about the effectiveness of parliamentary measures in arresting the assault of the owners on the working class. By calling for this type of coalition and having it fail, which it inevitably will since it seeks an accommodation WITH capitalism rather than it's replacement, then workers will be disabused of their illusions in parliamentarianism and be won to the cause of a workers' revolution and a workers' government.

Edited to add: I actually don't have any problem with Syriza forming a coalition with either of these working class based parties, but, as I said in my first post on this subject, the Stalinists in the KKE won't do it because they would not be the primary partner in the coalition. I'm not sure that PASOK was even offered the opportunity to be part of the coalition. My GUESS as to why that is is because Syriza is fearful of being associated too closely with an organization (PASOK) that is seen by most Greeks as bankrupt of ideas AND complicit in the austerity that Syriza campaigned against. Of course, I believe that their current coalition partners are worse than even PASOK would be. I can only GUESS (once again that they formed this coalition strictly to protect their right flank in negotiations with the Trioka over the debt repayment and accompanying austerity requirements.

I personally think they should have tried for a minority government alone. If they had done this, then their opponents would have had to have convinced EVERY OPPOSITION MP to vote against it and call for new elections. I don't think they could have convinced every opposition MP to vote against the minority government.

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The Comunist Tendency in Syriza I believe is........ socialist_n_TN Jan 2015 #48
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