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TooPragmatic

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88. No, still wrong...

Sat Jan 31, 2015, 08:06 PM

Jan 2015

ECB holds 6% of the Greek debt, the Euro-zone states own 60%. And the ECB gets it's money from natinonal central bank, Germany being the biggest but it is proportional to the size of each State.

And most of the debt is held through the EFSF which is a fund managed by the ECB, but the money is backed by each state. So if Greece doesn't pay, other European governments will largely suffer and thereby ALL European citizens will pay the bill with cuts or tax increases.

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Who didn't see THAT coming. Adrahil Jan 2015 #1

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....you're right.... myohmy2 Jan 2015 #13

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And that highlights the difference FBaggins Jan 2015 #40

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A it seems is the poster. love_me_some_pickles Jan 2015 #53

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Why the fuck fo you always try to order people as to what they should write? HERVEPA Jan 2015 #59

I don't understand why this continues. nilesobek Jan 2015 #80

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Are you aware of the difference between 'might' and 'is offering'? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #63

An "offering" is always conditional . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #65

So, you are unaware of the difference. muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #67

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You obviously haven't been paying attention FBaggins Jan 2015 #10

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I take it you have not yet read my OP . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #25

Translation: I take it you have not yet read the stuff I made up.... FSogol Jan 2015 #42

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What an overly-simplistc world you appear to live in FBaggins Jan 2015 #34

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Sounds quite believable . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #47

I have sources. Do you? DetlefK Jan 2015 #35

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Last I heard, Russia has one of the largest foreign currency reserves in the World . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #72

That is funny as hell!!! love_me_some_pickles Feb 2015 #94

Granted I'm not the most knowledgeable person on economic issues Arcanetrance Jan 2015 #64

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Not taxes, loans. TooPragmatic Jan 2015 #82

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But they don't owe much to banks anymore TooPragmatic Jan 2015 #86

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No, still wrong... TooPragmatic Jan 2015 #88

All governments may lose money . . . another_liberal Jan 2015 #90

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If what you suggest is accurate . . . another_liberal Feb 2015 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jan 2015 #76

There is a great deal to talk about, the subject is suddenly exciting! another_liberal Jan 2015 #81

Mother Russia seveneyes Jan 2015 #89

Russia is not an easy place to be a dissident . . . another_liberal Feb 2015 #96

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