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79. I cannot understand it...

Mon Feb 2, 2015, 12:55 PM

Feb 2015

this is just a personal anecdote. I have a friend who insists her parents never knew about anything she did as a teen. She says they thought she was a saint when in fact she was anything but. She told me about things she was doing at age 14 or so and it's enough to make my eyes pop. But now that she has girls, she swears they are very naive and innocent and they just don't know about such things. Somehow something came up about Paris Hilton and she insisted her 15 year old had never heard of her. In this day of the internet and cell phones (which her kids had at age 11), I don't see how some things are possible to keep from today's kids. And knowing that SHE hid everything from her parents, why wouldn't she think her kids were capable of the same? I have no knowledge of what her now 17 year old does or does not do, but I can't imagine NOT talking to her about sex just because I think she may not have had sex.

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Compulsory vaccinations: Where do we draw the line? [View all] YarnAddict Feb 2015 OP

Gardisil and maybe flu shots should be optional. HappyMe Feb 2015 #1

Even chicken pox? YarnAddict Feb 2015 #4

Yes, even chicken pox. HappyMe Feb 2015 #6

Chicken pox can be fatal. MineralMan Feb 2015 #9

When my kids had it YarnAddict Feb 2015 #15

Go learn about it: MineralMan Feb 2015 #18

i had a guy who worked for me melm00se Feb 2015 #88

Since the chicken pox vaccine was only introduced in 1995 Ms. Toad Feb 2015 #96

In the early 90s Pediatrician said to let my daughter catch chicken pox HockeyMom Feb 2015 #38

A lot has changed YarnAddict Feb 2015 #47

Other children got brought over to catch it from me thecrow Feb 2015 #82

I got German measles too. I would rather have had a shot. Jamastiene Feb 2015 #93

Total lifelong immunity is not guaranteed. I had mumps twice. uppityperson Feb 2015 #101

Your Grandma must have been very old to catch that HockeyMom Feb 2015 #127

did that Pediatrician throw chickenpox parties for his patients? pstokely Feb 2015 #124

Mine had very high fevers (105) thecrow Feb 2015 #83

The flu can be fatal, too. WillowTree Feb 2015 #25

Yes, it can. MineralMan Feb 2015 #27

From personal experience its not fun.... Historic NY Feb 2015 #80

It's not only about the kids that would die without the vaccines. Trillo Feb 2015 #106

How about you going to look to see how many people die each MineralMan Feb 2015 #107

It's difficult to determine where the truth lies. Trillo Feb 2015 #108

My mom nearly died from it loyalsister Feb 2015 #121

HPV vaccines save lives and are essential for young people before they are exposed. Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #109

Both of my daughters had the HPV vaccine SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #114

Oh I see you have a moral objection. Sex is involved. Icky. Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #115

Please seek a refund for your mindreading certificate SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #117

Except something with a high rate of sexual transmission is "easily communicable". Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #118

Correct, not through casual contact SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #119

The HPV vaccine can prevent cervical cancer. HappyMe Feb 2015 #123

I don't believe I ever said it was only about sexual contact SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #128

Oh, I am not at all opposed to that. HappyMe Feb 2015 #122

Can we agree on the dangerous diseases like measles and smallpox? hack89 Feb 2015 #2

But, many more YarnAddict Feb 2015 #7

Because many more get the flu than measles. hobbit709 Feb 2015 #12

That is because measles was nearly eradicated in America due to vaccinations hack89 Feb 2015 #13

That comparison is faulty Orrex Feb 2015 #17

I don't know that there are cases to cite YarnAddict Feb 2015 #22

I'm sorry, but I'll need something more concrete Orrex Feb 2015 #26

Here you go YarnAddict Feb 2015 #33

Okay, but you made it sound like a longterm and ongoing trend Orrex Feb 2015 #69

Love your response!!! YarnAddict Feb 2015 #73

I've read the threads enlightenment Feb 2015 #44

Such over-the-top rhetoric YarnAddict Feb 2015 #60

Our opinions differ, obviously. enlightenment Feb 2015 #74

Without taking all necessary steps to prevent infection, yes it is abuse... Humanist_Activist Feb 2015 #85

"But, many more people die of the flu than die of measles." NCTraveler Feb 2015 #52

I agree, Parents Should have fredamae Feb 2015 #3

I agree with you. YarnAddict Feb 2015 #8

No they should not have a choice. alarimer Feb 2015 #16

But, which vaccines? YarnAddict Feb 2015 #20

Gardisil. Now there's a good example. MineralMan Feb 2015 #31

Gardisil YarnAddict Feb 2015 #34

Really? So, they should wait until they're 18? MineralMan Feb 2015 #45

I didn't say 18 YarnAddict Feb 2015 #51

Uff da! MineralMan Feb 2015 #53

Norwegian? YarnAddict Feb 2015 #54

Norwegian by marriage only. MineralMan Feb 2015 #56

No actually that is too late. Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #116

It's for boys, too! Not just for daughters... Phentex Feb 2015 #41

Absolutely. Boys should get the shot, too. I didn't mean to leave that out, MineralMan Feb 2015 #48

I let my sons know that they should look into getting the Gardisil shot. HappyMe Feb 2015 #58

The key thing is to get it before becoming sexually active. MineralMan Feb 2015 #61

Yeah, the 'not my kid' thing gets old. HappyMe Feb 2015 #70

I cannot understand it... Phentex Feb 2015 #79

I agree that people are stupid about public health issues, but.... missingthebigdog Feb 2015 #105

Nobody? HockeyMom Feb 2015 #50

+1,000,000 ... 000 HuckleB Feb 2015 #111

Smallpox vaccinations are no longer needed. Do you know why? MineralMan Feb 2015 #5

What about flu? YarnAddict Feb 2015 #10

The flu vaccine is variable in its effectiveness. MineralMan Feb 2015 #14

We never used to get the flu shot YarnAddict Feb 2015 #19

You know, if you skip the flu vaccine for you and your family, MineralMan Feb 2015 #21

Nope. You never know. YarnAddict Feb 2015 #24

our immune systems are exercising all the time, which is why we rarely get sick. uppityperson Feb 2015 #46

If you believe the 2012 CDC statistics HockeyMom Feb 2015 #68

I was pleasantly surprised at my last tetanus booster to not end up with the stiff shoulder uppityperson Feb 2015 #72

Your immune system DOES get exercise when you get a shot. progressoid Feb 2015 #126

The fllu vaccine is currently too strain specific. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #28

It's 'strain specific' because of the high mutation rate of the influenza virus. Avalux Feb 2015 #49

Oh I agree, but that means the efficacy of the current vaccine is too low to provide herd immunity. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #55

Very true for MMRV. Avalux Feb 2015 #65

You make a compelling case for it to be mandatory. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #75

Thank you. Penalties would be extremely difficult to enforce. Avalux Feb 2015 #78

Influenza mutates very quickly and there are too many strains to vaccinate against davidn3600 Feb 2015 #90

I wrote this in 2005. Avalux Feb 2015 #92

Actually, minor nitpick: a smallpox vaccination still does exist, but isn't available to the public. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #64

I stand corrected. MineralMan Feb 2015 #67

Measles could probably be wiped out also. But not if we listen to the Chris Christie's. yellowcanine Feb 2015 #77

When those diseases are no longer a public health concern. hobbit709 Feb 2015 #11

We have a winner! Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #29

The smallpox vaccine hasn't been given in decades. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #23

All vaccines should be mandatory according to the current CDC guidelines tammywammy Feb 2015 #30

I wonder where the insurance companies are in this conversation. oldandhappy Feb 2015 #32

The ACA mandates preventative care come with zero cost to the patient. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #35

I was wondering if the insurance companies would oldandhappy Feb 2015 #39

The ACA ended all co-pays with vaccines MohRokTah Feb 2015 #42

Gardisil: rgbecker Feb 2015 #36

No one gets the Smallpox vaccine anymore, there is no need for it. I'm over 50 and I only got one Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #37

I got mine at age 5 in kindergarten. MineralMan Feb 2015 #57

I got one as a child. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #63

I have mine smallpox too. Avalux Feb 2015 #91

I got mine five years ago. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #103

Public health is far more important than you think. MineralMan Feb 2015 #40

If the clinical data shows the vaccine is effective, YES. Avalux Feb 2015 #43

The reason is ignorance, pure and simple. MineralMan Feb 2015 #59

When elected officials start jumping on the anti-vax bandwagon, it's disturbing. Avalux Feb 2015 #71

That's scary as hell. BeanMusical Feb 2015 #94

we should blood test minors for signs of parental neglect reddread Feb 2015 #62

Hmm . . . Sarcasm? n/t YarnAddict Feb 2015 #66

Do you have children? n/t Avalux Feb 2015 #76

no reddread Feb 2015 #86

Good to hear. Avalux Feb 2015 #89

yeah, science is good, please convince Congress. reddread Feb 2015 #95

The only reason to opt out of vaccines are valid medical conditions and reactions... Humanist_Activist Feb 2015 #81

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2015 #84

Uhm, have you ever read about or heard about how bad many of those Jamastiene Feb 2015 #87

As it is now, everyone should have a choice and the freedom to decide whether they dissentient Feb 2015 #97

So it's ok for them to choose to put everyone else at risk? HuckleB Feb 2015 #113

There is no longer a need to be vaccinated from smallpox Marrah_G Feb 2015 #98

Thank you - that is the kind of discussion we should be having Ms. Toad Feb 2015 #99

RV--rotavirus? YarnAddict Feb 2015 #100

Yes. Ms. Toad Feb 2015 #102

"Where do we draw the line?" questions irritate me. Orsino Feb 2015 #104

The recommended vaccines for infants through early grade school should be mandatory. HuckleB Feb 2015 #110

Do you know why there is no risk from polio in this country? Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #112

When my children were young the small city I lived in had a mandatory meningitis vaccine one year Marrah_G Feb 2015 #120

We shouldn't make policy based on right wing conspiracy theories AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #125