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In reply to the discussion: Can you put down your pitchfork long enough to discuss the root causes of the anti-vax problem? [View all]Bettie
(16,125 posts)198. Based on admittedly personal and anecdotal experience
Another factor is that a lot of the anti-vax people have not seen what childhood diseases do. They are young enough to have been raised in an environment where these diseases are uncommon. As a result, they don't seem like a big problem.
I'm 48 and only knew two people (both much older than I was) who had lifelong disabilities from Polio. I knew adults who had lost children to childhood diseases, but most of the young moms have never seen what these seemingly benign childhood diseases can do.
They have always lived in a world where they aren't an issue BECAUSE of vaccination.
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Can you put down your pitchfork long enough to discuss the root causes of the anti-vax problem? [View all]
whereisjustice
Feb 2015
OP
you left out: they do not want to see there is a problem, till they find a scapegoat
bettyellen
Feb 2015
#1
sadly, because of this impulse to believe it is 100% an outside cause, few advocate
bettyellen
Feb 2015
#223
It's not a huge step from "eject them from society" to "concentration camps"
Fumesucker
Feb 2015
#130
With right wing comments like that it is hard to tell who is more Coo Coo For Cocoa Puffs.
GoneFishin
Feb 2015
#209
#11 - piss-poor science education. 70% of Americans believe that angels actually exist. Q.E.D. - nt
KingCharlemagne
Feb 2015
#5
I had to check the comments before posting because I knew someone else would have
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Feb 2015
#169
Your response would make a fine OP and allow you to elaborate somewhat on its themes. There's
KingCharlemagne
Feb 2015
#183
Haven't read it, but it sounds like it indeed is running along the same lines of thought.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Feb 2015
#190
K&R. Dumbing down of the population has succeeded. We can see icecaps and glaciers melting and still
Overseas
Feb 2015
#268
Thank you, recommended. It is not like all this suspicion is coming from a vacuum
dissentient
Feb 2015
#6
Since anti-vaxxers are an asymetric political group, you're right about politicans.
MohRokTah
Feb 2015
#23
So the pro-vaxers want to 'remove those who don't agree with them from society'! Wow. That
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#53
Are you in the wrong thread or something? My response was to a PRO-VAXER who wants to eliminate
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#236
Putin is Big Pharma, I believe he is proposing elimination of anyone who disagrees with his ways
snooper2
Feb 2015
#237
So you agree then with the Pro Vaxer I responded to who proposes the elimination of those who dare
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#239
Thank you, and since I've never voiced an opinion about Putin, and don't know this person btw, it
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#292
I am repelled. But not about vaccines, I am well informed on the subject, as much as anyone can be.
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#281
Love that quote, it is absolutely true. It doesn't bother me at all, as FDR said, 'I welcome their
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#287
If you're joining the anti-vaxxers, you don't give a shit about human lives.
NuclearDem
Feb 2015
#265
I feel that way about people who refuse to see the problems with the Dem Party and its leaders,
cui bono
Feb 2015
#260
I'm not anti-vax, but you'll just alienate anti-vaxers without acknowledging where
whereisjustice
Feb 2015
#25
Actually considering what anti-vaxxers have to say has made the problem WORSE.
MohRokTah
Feb 2015
#156
America is not a nation with a sweet, benevolent government. There is a lot of distrust.
Bonobo
Feb 2015
#10
Yelling "burn the witch" really isn't going to get more people vaccinated, that's for sure
whereisjustice
Feb 2015
#30
But you are not thinking of the differential effect - the important part is making sure
whereisjustice
Feb 2015
#271
lol - like someone coming back from Africa, due to Ebola risk? hahahahahahah
whereisjustice
Feb 2015
#35
Anti-intellectualism is the root cause anti-vaxxers, mixed with more than a modicum of ignorance.
Agnosticsherbet
Feb 2015
#20
Sorry, you are wrong: dont-call-them-dumb-experts-fighting-anti-vaccine-movement
whereisjustice
Feb 2015
#267
The only place anyone is going to tell you have blood on your hands for being rational, appears to
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#22
I think I'm supposed to call my Dr. if I experience symptoms of tuberculosis or liver failure... lol
whereisjustice
Feb 2015
#27
Or if you DIE! Lol. 'Call your doctor if you experience any of the following side effects, strange
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#47
Hey, let's put moms in jail for being concerned about what they put in their children's bodies.
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#36
I'm so happy the internet didn't exist during the smallpox vaccination campaign.
NuclearDem
Feb 2015
#39
some regular extremists here are incapable of discussion, they've already called me a killer :)
whereisjustice
Feb 2015
#50
Most are concerned about what can get into their children's bodies in the form of a deadly disease
treestar
Feb 2015
#188
My response was to the pro-vaxer who advocates eliminating people for daring to ask questions
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#238
We already lock up criminals, so other than dangerous anti-vaxxers who are standing in the way of...
MohRokTah
Feb 2015
#149
Actually, the root cause was an unbelievably fraudulent study pushed by an idiot
NuclearDem
Feb 2015
#24
yes- I am aware of that, but what you neglect is that most people didn't know
whereisjustice
Feb 2015
#38
it doesn't matter, the damage was done, you either fix it or deal with the
whereisjustice
Feb 2015
#79
You'd rather stick with technology developed in 1920s that freaks people out?
whereisjustice
Feb 2015
#108
His study would have never gained traction without a skyrocketing autism rate
fried eggs
Feb 2015
#40
Autism rates started going up high when Hyundai started selling cars in the US, 1986.
snooper2
Feb 2015
#203
Well, sheep like or just someone who knows what the electromagnetic spectrum is, and various parts
TransitJohn
Feb 2015
#266
most dangerous part of vaccines is the drive to the doctor's office. let the antis pray away their
msongs
Feb 2015
#34
50,000+ dead from flu and pneumonia in US/year - and the sick will go to work
whereisjustice
Feb 2015
#45
Yes it does, It has everything to do with it. Companies won't vaccinate employees and they force
whereisjustice
Feb 2015
#55
Well here's another fact, the measles vaccine I was given as child was not effective as expected
whereisjustice
Feb 2015
#89
By far, the majority of people who die from the flu & pneumonia are the elder4ly & already sick.
napi21
Feb 2015
#77
Look, you go to work with the flu and see how much you get done, and then when
whereisjustice
Feb 2015
#80
Again - it comes down to trust. If the government is worried, they'll win trust not by yelling witch
whereisjustice
Feb 2015
#57
You are preaching to the choir - the problem is, you haven't figured out how to win trust
whereisjustice
Feb 2015
#54
maybe ironic that your sigline says "women should be able to make their own healthcare decisions"
nashville_brook
Feb 2015
#194
There wouldn't have been an outbreak period if people had been getting vaccinated.
NuclearDem
Feb 2015
#68
The possibility of measles returning as an endemic disease in the US is what's at stake
bhikkhu
Feb 2015
#69
The problem is the Govt. stopped funding public awareness and costs have skyrocketed
whereisjustice
Feb 2015
#63
The ACA REQUIRES all healthcare plans to provide immunizations without a copay.
SunSeeker
Feb 2015
#87
Mississippi and West Virginia, are the only two States that do not allow religious exemption from
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2015
#166
Nah. One of this nation's biggest problems is too much discussion and not enough pitchforks.
Ykcutnek
Feb 2015
#74
There is one word for it, IGNORANCE, and while most of the ignorance and thoughtlessness
JDPriestly
Feb 2015
#86
thank you, and agree, the price of vaccines has tripled in last 15 years, dr offices in tx
whereisjustice
Feb 2015
#91
the problem is - your response is even worse than their assertions, seriously
whereisjustice
Feb 2015
#95
You are not very old, I remember polio and measles, etc - anti-vax is nothing new
whereisjustice
Feb 2015
#101
I agree, this is one of the best threads about the topic I have read on DU so far
dissentient
Feb 2015
#100
lol and thank you, much better than being called a blood stained killer :)
whereisjustice
Feb 2015
#105
agree - I bet many trashing this thread never got their measles booster which is
whereisjustice
Feb 2015
#104
maybe you are refering to antibody titration (titering)? TB test is also common
whereisjustice
Feb 2015
#275
And don't forget the recent fraud claims connected to Merck's MMR vaccine, complete with whistle-blowers.
pnwmom
Feb 2015
#107
thanks, there is another irony, between 1957 and 1971 measles vaccine was "less" effective
whereisjustice
Feb 2015
#110
That's right. Many of the people filled with outrage are under-vaccinated themselves
pnwmom
Feb 2015
#112
We should work with the people who think gays should not be able to get married then.
Eko
Feb 2015
#158
I think a lot of people already figured that out 'that the pitchfork wielders' true agenda is
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#295
To this list I would add the introduction of a vaccine that might not even be necessary.
Chemisse
Feb 2015
#133
Had all my mercury fillings removed 11 years ago after a gum reaction to a crown
Pooka Fey
Feb 2015
#141
This is an international problem. Learn about outbreaks in the Netherlands and Canada which stream
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2015
#167
17 yrs ago, my son had a reaction to 2 year old, zillion shots. late at night, he went into autistic
seabeyond
Feb 2015
#171
You fail to understand how things have changed, if you don't adjust the campaign
whereisjustice
Feb 2015
#263
thanks, appreciate it. most people can't seem to do more than skim and overreact
whereisjustice
Feb 2015
#264
Do you have a link that supports your claim that unvaccinated refugees caused the outbreak(s)?
cyberswede
Feb 2015
#232
I believe Pres Obama AND Hillary were both guilty of the same type of vaccine hysteria...
1bigdude
Feb 2015
#196
No, because the root cause is stupidity and fraud. All of your arguments are wrong.
jeff47
Feb 2015
#210
Whew! Thank you soooooo much! I wanted to write this but you did it first!
DesertDiamond
Feb 2015
#244
An arbitration? Sure. Tell you what. They leave the pre-pubescent wmd at home, I'll leave the
jtuck004
Feb 2015
#251
Funny you should say that. Did you know millions of middle aged people who thought
whereisjustice
Feb 2015
#272
ROFL. You sent me a video in which a doctor says the anti-vaxxers are wrong, and that people my age
jtuck004
Feb 2015
#276
you think I am an anti-vaxer? that's your take away? Christ I can't believe I wasted my time w/ you
whereisjustice
Feb 2015
#280
"7. We are exposed to too many chemicals in our daily lives." What does that even mean?
Liberal Veteran
Feb 2015
#261
Thank you for posting. All good points, also don't forget this year's ineffective flu shot.
joanbarnes
Feb 2015
#270
Most rational post on the vaccine issue yet. Bravo whereisjustice!
Dont call me Shirley
Feb 2015
#277