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68. More blowback - his F-16 was shot down with a MANPAD we let fall into ISIS hands.

Reply to Fred Sanders (Reply #60)

Tue Feb 3, 2015, 04:32 PM

Feb 2015

One blowback leads to another that justifies more actions leading to more blowback . . . and so on.

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Islamic State is deliberately trying to provoke outrage. [View all] MineralMan Feb 2015 OP

And it's working. I can hear the bloodthirsty howls right here. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2015 #1

The problem is that a group willing to do this sort of thing will gain power until it is stopped Yo_Mama Feb 2015 #31

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2015 #81

I agree. CJCRANE Feb 2015 #2

We need to sing louder! Ykcutnek Feb 2015 #3

I said the same thing and got hidden. nt Dreamer Tatum Feb 2015 #4

Exactly the same thing? MineralMan Feb 2015 #7

Why would I inflame people more? nt Dreamer Tatum Feb 2015 #9

I don't know. But this thread was not hidden. MineralMan Feb 2015 #51

As long as they are trying to hold territory they are vulnerable. stevenleser Feb 2015 #5

There is a corollary to this that is also true metalbot Feb 2015 #43

In this case, there are existing armies in the field. Kurds, Syria, other rebels in Syria, Iraq army stevenleser Feb 2015 #61

of course they are WDIM Feb 2015 #6

^^THIS^^^ 2naSalit Feb 2015 #27

So The End Times are here and lets' just give it all up? So, why are you posting on a blog about it? Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #57

well said guillaumeb Feb 2015 #64

exactly^^^ WDIM Feb 2015 #75

Send in the drones!!! benz380 Feb 2015 #8

Wish I had said that guillaumeb Feb 2015 #65

And to provoke fear aint_no_life_nowhere Feb 2015 #10

ISIS is numerous factions created by the very parties who are now bombing it. leveymg Feb 2015 #11

Perhaps. If so, the creation is biting its creator. MineralMan Feb 2015 #12

Reminds me of the Night of the Long Knives (1934), but the party doing the "cleansing" leveymg Feb 2015 #16

Yes, perhaps. What followed was terrible, and might have been stopped. MineralMan Feb 2015 #19

That's what covert operations are for. But, alas, they often blow back leveymg Feb 2015 #42

As I said, we muck up everything we do in the Middle East. MineralMan Feb 2015 #46

On that, we agree. leveymg Feb 2015 #49

+1 forthemiddle Feb 2015 #76

This logic is completely silly. When you burn your hand, do you leave it on the stove Dreamer Tatum Feb 2015 #13

I'm not sure ISIS is really viewed as a "mistake" in some quarters. leveymg Feb 2015 #17

Wrong name - it is correctly known as "The Islamic Institution of Snuff Videos". Yo_Mama Feb 2015 #38

"Target audience," indeed. leveymg Feb 2015 #50

If all you're selling is shock and awe, you can't back-pedal. Orsino Feb 2015 #14

I'm afraid you're right. MineralMan Feb 2015 #15

The civilized voice of empire whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #18

You know, that's not always true. MineralMan Feb 2015 #26

So you would oppose US intervention in this case? whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #28

Direct intervention? Yes, I would oppose that. MineralMan Feb 2015 #32

Good. whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #39

I'm not making any assumptions here. MineralMan Feb 2015 #44

No, it isn't. Yo_Mama Feb 2015 #41

And more innocents whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #45

So you're more outraged by the outrage than at geek tragedy Feb 2015 #54

I'm outraged by all atrocities whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #69

Funny how you only express outrage at Americans, even when someone else committed geek tragedy Feb 2015 #71

You do that whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #74

They are trying to draw "the west" into a new crusade. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #20

Which begs the question what does a relatively decent man like Obama do when presented NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #29

We may well have intelligence that could be of use. MineralMan Feb 2015 #34

I have a couple liberal friends who argue with me that using drones in situations like this NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #40

I'm not competent to discuss tactical decisions there. MineralMan Feb 2015 #47

I do not believe we should be involved in the actual MineralMan Feb 2015 #30

Like i said above, it sure is a hard one. Does a pacifist acknowledge the part USA NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #33

Lots of things are tough calls. I'm glad I'm not in a position to MineralMan Feb 2015 #37

We agree on this MM. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #35

I do not know what intelligence we have, really. MineralMan Feb 2015 #48

It also helps them to recruit more talent. Xithras Feb 2015 #63

They've managed to stir up a lot of anti-Islamic rhetoric and fear in The West. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #70

All aided and abetted by an American media being trolled by ISIS to assist with the terrorism. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #72

Which further disenfranchises Muslims, making even more of them susceptible to their marketing. Xithras Feb 2015 #73

Most despotic regimes have the 'decency' to torture and execute in secret. Not so these guys. pampango Feb 2015 #21

They care, and I think it's a good response. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2015 #22

Jordan will do what it thinks it should do. MineralMan Feb 2015 #24

As disgusting as this situation is... ZX86 Feb 2015 #23

I doubt that we'll be the ones to carry out a direct attack. MineralMan Feb 2015 #25

Agree...direct interference would be good short term, bad long term NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #36

International media must agree to a 100% news black out on their activities. Peregrine Took Feb 2015 #52

You'll never get such an agreement. MineralMan Feb 2015 #53

Have EVERYONE pull out of the ME and do no business with them WestCoastLib Feb 2015 #55

In other words, the local citizenry are responsible for both ISIS and the Despots... brooklynite Feb 2015 #58

On some level, yes they are WestCoastLib Feb 2015 #67

the entire ME as a "no go" zone. ileus Feb 2015 #59

I guess injecting microscopic recording devices in released ISIS prisoners is out of question? zazen Feb 2015 #56

Close. CIA "doubled" al-Qaeda prisoners '03 - '06, sending some back. Google: "Penny Lane Gitmo" leveymg Feb 2015 #66

Jordanian Royal Air Force Lieutenant Moaz al-Kassasbeh, was piloting an F-16 when his plane Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #60

More blowback - his F-16 was shot down with a MANPAD we let fall into ISIS hands. leveymg Feb 2015 #68

Kick for the bloodthirsty apocalyptics who call out to their own kind for religious war... Hekate Feb 2015 #62

They're trying to get ransoms paid by butchering their captives when it isn't. Warpy Feb 2015 #77

I think they want a war where the world turns against them. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #78

I suspect that what they want is power. That is the usual MineralMan Feb 2015 #79

Crusades are, indeed, about power. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #82

They mostly play to themselves. Igel Feb 2015 #80

While we're paying attention to Isis, Boko Haram is slowly conquering Africa. Initech Feb 2015 #83

I think that is true... kentuck Feb 2015 #84

Yes they are, and the US media are taking the bait tularetom Feb 2015 #85