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535. I guess that depends on how one defines the word enjoy

Sat Feb 7, 2015, 11:27 AM

Feb 2015

If you mean appreciating the general form of a human body that is in shape, I'm fine with that if my mom is in the room. If you mean seen with obvious arousal, sure, that would be embarrassing, but that can happen without the picture (thankfully I'm no longer a teenager so that's less of a problem).

I generally speaking avoid porn, but that's mostly because I've found what I've seen to be boring. I haven't thought about it long enough to know if that's because I find it dehumanizing to the people in it (I agree with you that it's worse for the women) or because the act of putting a camera in there means lots of uncomfortable looking positions, and since it's geared towards men it involves very little reciprocity in terms of the woman's pleasure. I have very limited experience with non-heterosexual porn or porn that would be considered artistic as I pretty much gave up on porn so I don't have an opinion of any meaningful sense on those.

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Sports Illustrated cover - practically porn? [View all] adigal Feb 2015 OP

GREATNESS a SI thread this is just what GD needed after all the vax crack LOL snooper2 Feb 2015 #1

That's why I didn't post the cover....it is really close to porn!!! nt adigal Feb 2015 #3

No, it's really not close to porn. MineralMan Feb 2015 #8

Picture her with hair and how much woukd show adigal Feb 2015 #29

So nudity is porn? zappaman Feb 2015 #34

Depends on the purpose...this isn't art adigal Feb 2015 #39

So nudity is porn if it's meant to sell something? zappaman Feb 2015 #41

No, and I would explain it to you but I have a class adigal Feb 2015 #43

Ok, enjoy the class and come back later to explain zappaman Feb 2015 #44

What Warpy said right below you adigal Feb 2015 #111

It's not even close. zappaman Feb 2015 #112

Ok, how's this? If I am embarrassed for my teen to see most of her hairless vagina adigal Feb 2015 #116

Pet peeve of mine. The outer part is the labia. The vagina is the passageway between the uppityperson Feb 2015 #123

Yes, sorry, labeled her labia and mons pubis wrong. I was going to look it up but had no time adigal Feb 2015 #125

no worries, thanks for posting this, I agree with you. uppityperson Feb 2015 #148

Mine, too. 3catwoman3 Feb 2015 #194

If this is embarrassing to you, how can you watch teevee, go to the beach,or go to a movie with him? pipoman Feb 2015 #338

Sounds like a you problem, not a Sports Illustrated problem. eom TransitJohn Feb 2015 #478

Why do you consider a woman's body gross? Orrex Feb 2015 #492

Sigh...hasty jumping to conclusions again with loaded questions. alp227 Feb 2015 #497

If someone wrote "I find pictures of old women gross," that person would be attacked. Orrex Feb 2015 #507

Of course that person would be attacked. Because that person is full of crap. alp227 Feb 2015 #513

How about nudes of old women? Orrex Feb 2015 #529

Nudity is nudity. Don't shove it in people's faces. alp227 Feb 2015 #545

Fortunately, no one is shoving it in anyone's face. Orrex Feb 2015 #552

Otherwise why would stores place those products in the checkout, alp227 Feb 2015 #556

Are you offended by chewing gum and candy bars? Orrex Feb 2015 #557

No, not what I said at all. I said that stores want those products visible for a reason. alp227 Feb 2015 #559

"Shoving in their face" is a violent, aggressive act. Orrex Feb 2015 #560

OK, if "shoving in your face" is too rough, how about something more complex and specific. alp227 Feb 2015 #561

"Raunch" is in the eye of the beholder Orrex Feb 2015 #563

Bullshit (LOL, I used a raunchy word). alp227 Feb 2015 #564

You are mischaracterizing my point. Orrex Feb 2015 #566

I guess I'm still trying to figure out... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #584

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Well, they do have the Trailblazers. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #587

Heh.. I was just there Friday night... opiate69 Feb 2015 #592

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Ha! I'm in if'n yer in! opiate69 Feb 2015 #607

Gross? Wow...I would get in trouble if I posted pics here of what I think is gross NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #626

+1 one_voice Feb 2015 #631

This is soft porn Warpy Feb 2015 #90

No it's not. zappaman Feb 2015 #91

Can you hear ohheckyeah Feb 2015 #99

i believe "he" is a "she". as are most of the posters saying it's porn. whereas their opposition ND-Dem Feb 2015 #303

Yep. hifiguy Feb 2015 #107

"this isn't art...It's to sell magazines" Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #127

Not Art? CBGLuthier Feb 2015 #205

I like how you are the interpretor of art - thank you thought police titaniumsalute Feb 2015 #401

Well, how many teenage boys.... Adrahil Feb 2015 #157

When I was a teenage boy, I could "use" a Sears catalog or zappaman Feb 2015 #158

You know my point... But I'll oblige you. Adrahil Feb 2015 #161

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This isn't about sex... Adrahil Feb 2015 #315

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No the fuck it isn't .... And by the way... Adrahil Feb 2015 #321

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See... More of the same bullshit. Adrahil Feb 2015 #325

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Good points! nt. polly7 Feb 2015 #328

Warren.... you need to a take a class on cultural analysis. Adrahil Feb 2015 #335

Women package themselves, men don't drive the market pipoman Feb 2015 #342

Yeah, none of that has to do with a patriarchal culture. Right. n/t Adrahil Feb 2015 #362

Right.... pipoman Feb 2015 #369

I figured someone would use the "P word" in this thread. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #476

Adrahil, I share many of your misgivings about social hierarchy and sexual objectification, but... Threedifferentones Feb 2015 #376

I appreciate the thoughtful post. Adrahil Feb 2015 #419

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I couldn't have said it better if I'd thought about it for a month. hifiguy Feb 2015 #427

Nope.. I was just identifying that... Adrahil Feb 2015 #430

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I would dread my daughter growing up... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #491

You are wasting your breath....very disheartening, that men on a liberal site adigal Feb 2015 #539

One can be sex positive while against commodifying women. alp227 Feb 2015 #498

I would like to see the research correlating that more acceptance of porn adigal Feb 2015 #538

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Anybody who switches parties because of a swimsuit cover... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #633

You really think this will affect Hillary Clinton's campaign? NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #616

I imagine many half-wits pretend it says merely one thing LanternWaste Feb 2015 #393

Ah, echo-man wants to insult my intelligence. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #420

Nope, it just makes it worse! ;) n/t Adrahil Feb 2015 #428

I imagine it's some sort of affectation, like wearing a fez or calling everyone "mac" Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #432

"The purpose of this cover it titillation" NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #189

So if someone finds me attractive on the basis of my physical appearance, that means Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #191

Your post is useless without pictures. Vattel Feb 2015 #200

Oooh, you wish. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #201

Did I say that? No, I didn't. Adrahil Feb 2015 #311

I live in South Florida titaniumsalute Feb 2015 #405

OK, you don;t get it. Fine. We'll move on. Adrahil Feb 2015 #415

LOL at good fight. TransitJohn Feb 2015 #482

What don't I get...humor me. titaniumsalute Feb 2015 #485

I guess you have a different opinion about the "good fight." NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #486

Being in a bathing suit on Sports Illustrated does NOT mean she's always polly7 Feb 2015 #195

Who said anything about being ashamed? Adrahil Feb 2015 #312

You said she'd always dreamed of being a sexual object. polly7 Feb 2015 #314

You can tell yourself whatever you like.... Adrahil Feb 2015 #320

That I just have always appreciated the human and animal form is pictures is polly7 Feb 2015 #322

There is a difference between appreciating the beauty of the human form... Adrahil Feb 2015 #336

What is represented about this woman? polly7 Feb 2015 #337

They are sexual objects to YOU, not me. tridim Feb 2015 #355

OK, Sure. Women aren't objectified in our culture. Gotcha. Adrahil Feb 2015 #363

Yes women and men are objectified in our culture, never claimed we weren't. tridim Feb 2015 #366

Ok, let's pretend you are right...then what is the purpose of the cover if not sexual adigal Feb 2015 #541

I agree, this is an exercise in futility on this thread. prayin4rain Feb 2015 #544

Yes, objecting to the commodification is being intertwined with objecting to the body or sex adigal Feb 2015 #549

Anytime! prayin4rain Feb 2015 #551

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+1000 smirkymonkey Feb 2015 #567

You said that, not her and it's pretty damn insulting. RiffRandell Feb 2015 #217

That's a new one... Who am I to judge? Adrahil Feb 2015 #313

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It's only okay to judge models and make fun of their intellect, looks RiffRandell Feb 2015 #472

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You mean Valentine's Day? RiffRandell Feb 2015 #495

Yep. V-Day and SI-day and 50 Shades day, all in one week. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #509

Now you are seriously freaking me the fuck out. RiffRandell Feb 2015 #577

Attractiveness to potential mates is the spring hifiguy Feb 2015 #425

hell BubbaFett Feb 2015 #378

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Not many pintobean Feb 2015 #181

Not my son... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #237

The problem is the blatant obectification, not the nudity. n/t prayin4rain Feb 2015 #241

I guess I don't get as worked up about it as some. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #242

I probably wouldn't get worked up over it either if i was a man. n/t prayin4rain Feb 2015 #246

Great answer. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #247

Circumcision is a tried and tested method of getting them to stop. Jesus Malverde Feb 2015 #293

Ouch! That's not a happy thought! NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #295

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I love your post titaniumsalute Feb 2015 #406

Thank you for the compliment. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #457

How so? InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #222

Why would I do that? MineralMan Feb 2015 #36

I can assure you..... A HERETIC I AM Feb 2015 #60

LOL! MineralMan Feb 2015 #61

Well...I beg to differ. A HERETIC I AM Feb 2015 #63

You'd be wrong. zappaman Feb 2015 #72

You bet they do! PCIntern Feb 2015 #121

I don't like it staring me in the face at the checkout line. PassingFair Feb 2015 #106

I agree! zappaman Feb 2015 #113

Or adults who want sexual imagery in their sights, on THEIR terms not others'. alp227 Feb 2015 #499

You can't be serious. zappaman Feb 2015 #508

What do you disagree with me about? nt alp227 Feb 2015 #512

The SI Swimsuit issue "is as bad as walking around naked"? NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #594

No, I said SHOWING THAT ISSUE IN A HIGHLY VISIBLE SPACE (checkout stand) is. alp227 Feb 2015 #595

Actually I love reading arguments like those. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #597

I agree...if I want to see 90% of a vagina, I'll go online adigal Feb 2015 #118

You can see "90% of her vagina"???? zappaman Feb 2015 #132

Borescopes. They're cheap these days. MineralMan Feb 2015 #135

Borescopes! Adsos Letter Feb 2015 #206

That could be the tag line. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #170

Kiddin"? No seriously are you kiddin'? Get out of here with that nonsense! OverBurn Feb 2015 #438

"picture her with hair" Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #268

Dude, you're killing me. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #271

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Lulz...nt Jesus Malverde Feb 2015 #286

Omg ....... polly7 Feb 2015 #348

You won "DUzy of 2015," already. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #394

Yep. I think that one's nailed down. polly7 Feb 2015 #410

Oh shit no!! titaniumsalute Feb 2015 #407

Point, set and match hifiguy Feb 2015 #424

Oh no you dih'nt!... TeeYiYi Feb 2015 #489

So you're picturing her with hair and you think others have a problem with objectifying women? TransitJohn Feb 2015 #477

Agreed. hifiguy Feb 2015 #64

I agree! nt FLyellowdog Feb 2015 #9

Damn I need to research this. Anyone have a link? Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #92

Well, you posted a link to a story that includes the photo. Orsino Feb 2015 #340

you don't know much about porn BubbaFett Feb 2015 #377

nothing like porn. (not that i'd mind that either). it's naughty samsingh Feb 2015 #629

Of course it will be alerted on. MineralMan Feb 2015 #4

apparently 'no vulva, no hide' is not how it works n/t ProdigalJunkMail Feb 2015 #17

4-3 to hide. Close. MineralMan Feb 2015 #19

it is just silly ProdigalJunkMail Feb 2015 #23

I don't know. I'm opposed to objectifying women. MineralMan Feb 2015 #27

i'm not a big fan of objectification either ProdigalJunkMail Feb 2015 #33

I can see it now: The SI Annual Naked Woman Issue. MineralMan Feb 2015 #40

indeed... ProdigalJunkMail Feb 2015 #45

I suspect Paul Simon still has kept a smut stash or two. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #185

Now all I hear is Bob Marley. "No vulva, no hide...no vuuuuulva, no hide" Throd Feb 2015 #506

glad I could help ProdigalJunkMail Feb 2015 #525

No Vulva, No Hide. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #182

Perfect! zappaman Feb 2015 #184

Oh my goodness, that's pratically porn! Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #6

Here's the cover. If it gets hidden, I'll be gone for a month. Ykcutnek Feb 2015 #11

see you in a month... ProdigalJunkMail Feb 2015 #18

Undoubtably. n/t zappaman Feb 2015 #20

The predictability of some borders on hifiguy Feb 2015 #66

Miscalcuated. Ykcutnek Feb 2015 #636

A prediction make correctly. MineralMan Feb 2015 #21

Hannah Davis goes down GreatCaesarsGhost Feb 2015 #96

What I like the most is the intelligent look in her eyes <snark/> adigal Feb 2015 #129

Meow! zappaman Feb 2015 #133

Look at her eyes, really. Do you see anything in there? adigal Feb 2015 #139

This cover doesn't bother me, no. zappaman Feb 2015 #143

We know it doesn't bother you. :) adigal Feb 2015 #147

You sound jealous. woolldog Feb 2015 #176

You picked up on that too, eh? zappaman Feb 2015 #180

Of course....because her bio says she COULD HAVE gone to college, she's brilliant! Rhodes Scholar adigal Feb 2015 #262

The article indicates she was a top student. woolldog Feb 2015 #332

Are they going to say she's stupid?? And I have green eyes, most people love them, thanks!! Nt adigal Feb 2015 #389

Here's a whole list of vacuous models titaniumsalute Feb 2015 #409

Wow!!! Seven of them!! And do you seriously think Princeton didn't take Brooke Shields because she adigal Feb 2015 #450

So you think they're making up that she was a top student woolldog Feb 2015 #436

She probably was an athlete, she looks like one...my point is that any dinky little high school adigal Feb 2015 #451

You absolutely are objectifying her. woolldog Feb 2015 #480

Wow! HappyMe Feb 2015 #333

Just Wow! ProfessorGAC Feb 2015 #346

And Bill Frist thought he could see active intelligence and responses from a picture mythology Feb 2015 #534

Those who are misogynists here should be embarrassed, not me at all adigal Feb 2015 #536

... Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #183

Look out! zappaman Feb 2015 #187

She's apparently intelligent enough... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #166

That's an extremely shallow, low blow titaniumsalute Feb 2015 #408

I'm outraged! NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #164

pretty girl, fake boobs, shaved pubes, swimsuit pulled down. not selling swimsuits. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #307

Vax crack Jesus Malverde Feb 2015 #224

Someone did. It was alerted on and locked MoonRiver Feb 2015 #316

I'm sure this will create a hugely long thread on DU. MineralMan Feb 2015 #2

"I'm sure this will create a hugely long thread on DU." EX500rider Feb 2015 #598

Your teen-age sons would have seen it anyhow. HERVEPA Feb 2015 #5

I know he would have...but not with my permission adigal Feb 2015 #7

Takes me about as long to contemplate SI Swimsuit covers. nt Ykcutnek Feb 2015 #10

The point of this cover? NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #175

I completely agree snooper2 Feb 2015 #22

is the objectification of men also disgusting? EX500rider Feb 2015 #50

No... sendero Feb 2015 #52

What national magazine did that appear on? onecaliberal Feb 2015 #54

So it's only objectification if it goes national? EX500rider Feb 2015 #55

I am merely pointing out that far fewer people onecaliberal Feb 2015 #57

Either it is "objectification" or it isnt. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #188

My point is my teen daughter isn't going to onecaliberal Feb 2015 #216

I have no problem with more men in sexy underwear ads. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #225

Getting a DVR doesn't help when we are standing in line onecaliberal Feb 2015 #350

Well thanks, at least, for that. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #417

"It just happen to men FAR less." sibelian Feb 2015 #244

Google search of specific term = all television, print, news F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #282

That might be a valid criticism... sibelian Feb 2015 #585

And yet, one annual magazie issue somehow = ALL media, ALL of society's expecations for ALL women Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #606

How many theaters will screen THIS opus?? MADem Feb 2015 #449

Bit of a difference. F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #65

+1,000! n/t zazen Feb 2015 #93

Agreed. n/t prayin4rain Feb 2015 #234

Riiiight... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #240

It's not a double standard. it's history. F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #274

LOL...good one! NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #276

X10000000 onecaliberal Feb 2015 #352

Oh, no--the "N" word comparison. Has this discussion jumped the shark? MADem Feb 2015 #460

No, there's not enough of that. closeupready Feb 2015 #85

Lol F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #238

I wouldn't call it porn mythology Feb 2015 #12

I think a better standard would be F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #70

I guess that depends on how one defines the word enjoy mythology Feb 2015 #535

"Close to porn" LOL. zappaman Feb 2015 #13

This will not end well. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #14

Agree 100% adigal Feb 2015 #32

+1 well said. nt. F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #67

And who creates the culture? The people who comprise it. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #264

And the past 2000+ years of oppression don't matter? F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #287

No, I dont believe a woman in a bathing suit on a magazine cover equates in any fucking way, shape, Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #288

I kind of doubt that Hannah Davis... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #289

If you dont hate the SI swimsuit issue, you support stuff like lynching. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #290

Yeah, I never could quite connect all of those dots last year... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #292

Yeah, that and keeping a tally on the amount of recs RiffRandell Feb 2015 #418

Oh, they're RAMPED up for this year. Ready. Damn issue isn't even out yet. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #421

LOL! polly7 Feb 2015 #426

Thanks hon! RiffRandell Feb 2015 #496

I missed all the funny, brilliant people. polly7 Feb 2015 #532

oh busy busy busy Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #520

Fishing is time consuming, isn't it? betsuni Feb 2015 #527

I find fishing boring. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #528

Oh, Captain Ahab, I doubt you find fishing dull. betsuni Feb 2015 #530

No, actually, you've got it backwards. And someone needs to break the news to her Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #568

The whale knows. RiffRandell Feb 2015 #579

LOL, I couldn't have added anything more to that thread if I'd tried, still makes me laugh. polly7 Feb 2015 #533

For most of that 2000 years this woman would be outcast as a whore pipoman Feb 2015 #349

Yes, we should just be thankful we're not subjected to prayin4rain Feb 2015 #385

She's 24. That's not "barely legal". pintobean Feb 2015 #390

Utter nonsense pipoman Feb 2015 #392

NOBODY has implied she should not be free to pose for prayin4rain Feb 2015 #413

No, there sure are a lot hereabouts pipoman Feb 2015 #414

Yeah, get in line, I've been accused of thinking like the prayin4rain Feb 2015 #448

"I have no desire to chastise her, or anyone who enjoys looking"... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #615

If you click the hyperlinks in this site prayin4rain Feb 2015 #624

Okay, I don't think I'll click on that link. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #625

Ummmm.... I see skin but no genitalia or even nipples. Not porn (nt) Nye Bevan Feb 2015 #15

Here's porn then: bhikkhu Feb 2015 #204

Of course there is one rule for concealed female genitalia and another for stone penises. Nye Bevan Feb 2015 #214

I stand corrected. The Photo OP was hidden. MineralMan Feb 2015 #16

I didn't post the picture nt adigal Feb 2015 #25

Yes, I know. You did help us find it, though. MineralMan Feb 2015 #42

I've got four, too much risk for me, your TURN! snooper2 Feb 2015 #26

Not my thing. I'm an old man. MineralMan Feb 2015 #28

Luck of the draw when it comes to juries. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #173

I seem to remember the debate last year degrading into shaved / unshaved. hunter Feb 2015 #24

No photos of you in your birthday suit, please. MineralMan Feb 2015 #30

I would never hide that MM!!! nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #102

The situation will never occur, MineralMan Feb 2015 #134

I don't consider the human body porn. tridim Feb 2015 #31

In a different context but now when used to sell sports adigal Feb 2015 #35

I think you make a good point. F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #79

If your daughter sold the photos she took (or paid the models) would that make it porn? onenote Feb 2015 #117

Exactly. n/t zappaman Feb 2015 #38

I agree. Nudity does not = porn. n/t FSogol Feb 2015 #51

Yeah Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #171

Every year there is some goofy SI outrage around here. AngryAmish Feb 2015 #37

Close to looking like a Barbie doll's crotch... LeftinOH Feb 2015 #46

This is exactly the reaction SI wanted Auggie Feb 2015 #47

Outrage! Outrage I tell you! I am outraged that people would be outraged by this outrage! Rex Feb 2015 #48

Is this one different from the SSI last year? I'm not seeing the outrage!!!! Autumn Feb 2015 #53

Outrage! I am now outraged that this has not been alerted on yet! Rex Feb 2015 #56

Don't do a Walt Starr, Rex. hifiguy Feb 2015 #71

THAT'S IT I'M DOING IT! Rex Feb 2015 #75

LoL! hifiguy Feb 2015 #77

Maybe if you weren't so busy rolling around in chemical waste dumpsters zappaman Feb 2015 #74

Are you hinting at denying my right to roll around in waste dumpsters!?! Rex Feb 2015 #78

I'm just saying if you keep it up zappaman Feb 2015 #81

Yuck Face can't fly. Rex Feb 2015 #88

Ain't that the truth, Rex? hifiguy Feb 2015 #69

To pretend that Obama is all hunky dory with ISIS, now that he brought up Rex Feb 2015 #73

You know, it may not be a priority to you, or even perhaps a particularly pressing issue F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #86

If the model was forced to do it against her will hifiguy Feb 2015 #89

You're completely misrepresenting what I posted. F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #94

A reasonable response. hifiguy Feb 2015 #97

No problem! I usually try and fail miserably :P F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #110

Yep, and then there are those of us who think hand-wringing over sex and depictions of nudity or Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #199

Yep, you're entitled to think the insidious and systematic obectification prayin4rain Feb 2015 #239

even better, I'm entitled to think "insidious and systematic objectification" is just what happens Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #256

It was a reasonably priced psychology degree, actually.. ... prayin4rain Feb 2015 #257

To me, at this point, I suspect it really depends on the ROI. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #258

Sometimes I wish I could be more practical, pragmatic at least, prayin4rain Feb 2015 #260

When taken to the extreme... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #265

"It's interesting that the far right and the far left have such similar views about sexual topics." prayin4rain Feb 2015 #267

Is there somewhere we can go to get this "education"? NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #269

There is, of course, a correct way to think handed down from on high. hifiguy Feb 2015 #422

There are many studies that have applied the scientific prayin4rain Feb 2015 #494

When you can get to correlations hifiguy Feb 2015 #522

I'm unaware of any studies applying the scientific method conducted by MacKinnon n/t prayin4rain Feb 2015 #537

Best. Answer. Ever. BubbaFett Feb 2015 #379

I'm entitled to think that? NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #259

No, sexual attraction and objectification are way different. alp227 Feb 2015 #503

If it's okay with you, I'll determine for myself... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #582

Eat that strawman. alp227 Feb 2015 #502

Thank heavens we have people to determine for us what constitutes "healthy sexual attraction". Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #510

Not just religious. alp227 Feb 2015 #511

Well if Dr. Perrin Elisha, Aspen Psychiatrist and Therapist says it's true, it MUST be! Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #514

One can find women in bathing suits attractive and oppose the commodification of such. alp227 Feb 2015 #516

So if the same woman is on the beach in the same suit, it's okay to find her attractive. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #517

That's what is so ridiculous about his responses adigal Feb 2015 #542

And it's a fucking SHAME he's allowed to host the main forums. nt alp227 Feb 2015 #562

"allowed"? I signed up. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #608

You know what you should do? You should go to admin and demand that I be taken off of the Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #614

Ah yes. The ol' "no true Liberal" argument. Well played. Orrex Feb 2015 #565

Aren't you the one who called the model stupid? melman Feb 2015 #612

Your definition of "healthy sexuality" is not objective, or science-based, it's a completely Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #609

An intelligent response! There is still some intelligence here! adigal Feb 2015 #122

Is this one of those... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #632

Imagine how worked up DU would get kentauros Feb 2015 #558

We Must Do Something! Harrumph! :) TampaAnimusVortex Feb 2015 #635

Not porn at all. She looks great, btw LittleBlue Feb 2015 #49

No. Not porn. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2015 #58

No. Not even close, but thanks for the link to the Daily Heil.... truebrit71 Feb 2015 #59

That would depend on if she is pulling them on or pulling them off Tom Ripley Feb 2015 #62

Wait, huh? AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #68

Oh noes! Bare female skin!!!! Think of the children!!!! gcomeau Feb 2015 #76

So women in bathing suits now equals porn? bigwillq Feb 2015 #80

Yeah, it has for a while now AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #95

If she showed up tugging her bottoms down like that in NJ adigal Feb 2015 #120

Thank goodness I don't live in NJ bigwillq Feb 2015 #142

Maybe she's putting her bikini bottoms on Orrex Feb 2015 #178

You know....you need to visit some of the NJ nude beaches. It might do you good. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #395

Also go see what goes on at night HappyMe Feb 2015 #397

At any Jersey rest stop, friend.....nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #400

To steal from one of my favorite shows mythology Feb 2015 #540

At least we know she shaves her pubes off. fasttense Feb 2015 #82

You know, I've had a couple of model friends. F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #291

Perhaps, but why exploit your looks when you could exploit your intellect? fasttense Feb 2015 #344

Some people manage to do both. MineralMan Feb 2015 #359

You know, wether you are flipping burgers at McD's or using your good looks robbob Feb 2015 #403

Or Maybe there is something wrong with a system you can gin? n/t fasttense Feb 2015 #547

My son can model, he's been approached by agents adigal Feb 2015 #543

Your son has found a way to avoid the dead end exploitation of his physical beauty fasttense Feb 2015 #550

"but why exploit your looks when you could exploit your intellect?" EX500rider Feb 2015 #599

which seems pretty ......smart, actually. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #610

Yuck, that's gross. closeupready Feb 2015 #83

It's not Porn bpj62 Feb 2015 #84

On The First Day Of DU, The Admins Gave To Me Rex Feb 2015 #87

First literal laugh-out-loud moment in weeks. OneGrassRoot Feb 2015 #103

You forgot smoking. The Straight Story Feb 2015 #105

Hey - where have you been lately? NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #227

Battling the evil hordes on our sister site. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. The Straight Story Feb 2015 #228

I never did sign up over there. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #229

Uhh...it's more complicated than that. alp227 Feb 2015 #504

Finish the song! You have seven more days to go! kwassa Feb 2015 #193

Lol!! Kaleva Feb 2015 #197

Maybe next is: six 2016 polls, and seven anti-vaxxers? (n/t) Jim Lane Feb 2015 #330

Love it Marrah_G Feb 2015 #622

It's amazing that in a progressive forum, a bikini is seen as oppression davidn3600 Feb 2015 #98

Did you seriously miss the point? Bikinis are fine, I grew up in one adigal Feb 2015 #119

"It's pulling it down so most of your vagina is showing" zappaman Feb 2015 #130

Mons pubs is showing and another mm her labias would be showing. Happy now?? Nt adigal Feb 2015 #141

Well, at least now we know zappaman Feb 2015 #145

Do you know what a vagina looks like? I see none of it showing! Nt Logical Feb 2015 #590

Do you think she's about to take a swim and prayin4rain Feb 2015 #232

"What do you think the purpose of the photo is?" NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #249

+1000 adigal Feb 2015 #261

Reply #50 in this thread. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #272

Well said. F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #294

Ah, the good old days of Sunshine and Health... hunter Feb 2015 #388

Me too! My artist parents walked around naked all the time. betsuni Feb 2015 #479

All right....just fir you: EX500rider Feb 2015 #600

Oh, yeah, that's more like it -- I has a thrill up my leg betsuni Feb 2015 #605

Posting to make it an even 100 onenote Feb 2015 #100

Oh, please SI has always done this. MicaelS Feb 2015 #101

And heeeeeeere we go! LadyHawkAZ Feb 2015 #104

You have it in one! hifiguy Feb 2015 #108

Yes... look at the hysteria and outrage! PassingFair Feb 2015 #109

The usual purveyors of outrage and hysteria hifiguy Feb 2015 #114

They might be getting ready for next week. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #209

oh but it appears that there is LadyHawkAZ Feb 2015 #398

The 50 Shades of Grey Suckfest Movie Threads are Next Week....nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #396

I know, I can't wait. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #620

We have be careful....my 50 shades thread got locked.....nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #621

Sports Illustrated: An agent of chaos lumberjack_jeff Feb 2015 #423

... benz380 Feb 2015 #115

No. Not porn. Typical beachwear most places, in many places women wear far less riderinthestorm Feb 2015 #124

On a Brazilian beach she'd be considered wildly overdressed. hifiguy Feb 2015 #154

Yup. SI swimsuit edition is quite tame compared to RL on many beaches riderinthestorm Feb 2015 #156

That is ridiculous. applegrove Feb 2015 #126

She doesn't have any hair down there? Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #128

Thank God :) Reter Feb 2015 #208

None of the young girls? Vomit. n/t prayin4rain Feb 2015 #235

I think what he is saying is that it is a trend in the younger generation Marrah_G Feb 2015 #623

I think that's probably not true. I also think that you probably have not MineralMan Feb 2015 #360

By young girls I meant like her age Reter Feb 2015 #412

She must have had everything lasered... 3catwoman3 Feb 2015 #211

The pic is completely and totally airbrushed taught_me_patience Feb 2015 #213

No not at all, porn requires penatration, however slight, to be porn ChosenUnWisely Feb 2015 #131

Well aren't you one uninformed individual.... giftedgirl77 Feb 2015 #138

Yes I get that for the purposes of this discussion SI is not Porn at all ChosenUnWisely Feb 2015 #273

Don't buy, read, or look at... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #275

Threads like this are interesting it shows who is liberal and progressive and who is an uptight ChosenUnWisely Feb 2015 #278

I agree. It's like everybody shows their cards. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #279

I will just lurk when it comes out why argue over something silly and pointless ChosenUnWisely Feb 2015 #280

Is it still in business? NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #281

As far as I know it is. I wonder if memebrs of congress still get their free ChosenUnWisely Feb 2015 #283

I didn't know about the free subscriptions. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #284

You didn't know that, it was big news back when he started ChosenUnWisely Feb 2015 #285

They ALWAYS do. hifiguy Feb 2015 #431

Meta Sounds like fun! they should bring it back ChosenUnWisely Feb 2015 #442

How to describe Meta? hifiguy Feb 2015 #481

So Meta was like dropping a hand grenade in a room full of people! My kinda place! ChosenUnWisely Feb 2015 #526

Yeah, for the record I wasn't referring to this stupid giftedgirl77 Feb 2015 #331

Outside of Kiddie Porn, Real Porn requires penetration otherwise it is art! ChosenUnWisely Feb 2015 #341

Really? You know what they say when you assume giftedgirl77 Feb 2015 #343

Sorry Charlie, BDSM is art to many, and one could also make a good argument that bukkake is art ChosenUnWisely Feb 2015 #345

Wow, you are really a fuckin piece of work.... giftedgirl77 Feb 2015 #347

Some could call it performance art, who am I to judge what is good or bad art ChosenUnWisely Feb 2015 #351

Hmm...you appear to have an extensive knowledge of this sort of thing. MineralMan Feb 2015 #361

I get around, not all art is in fancy art galleries ChosenUnWisely Feb 2015 #364

I see. MineralMan Feb 2015 #365

Unless you get out between 2 am and 6 am I doubt we ran into each other. ChosenUnWisely Feb 2015 #368

This. This right here is objectification at it's worst. F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #296

Who are you quoting? NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #301

Dang phone. Fixed. Thank you. F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #304

Yeah, no problem. I don't even know how to post from my phone. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #306

So I am f-ed up why do you care? You don't know me, I don't know you. So feel good about ChosenUnWisely Feb 2015 #358

Not porn but she shaves right to the edge of the naughty bits so we got that question answered. Monk06 Feb 2015 #136

I don't get it olddots Feb 2015 #137

OMG! 99Forever Feb 2015 #140

Why complain about supposed complaining? Just move along. Thanks! :) nt adigal Feb 2015 #144

Do I tell you what to comment on? 99Forever Feb 2015 #146

You are so funny!!! You just characterized what I said as "crap" adigal Feb 2015 #153

I have zero patience... 99Forever Feb 2015 #160

And I have zero interest in your rudeness adigal Feb 2015 #263

Rude is telling... 99Forever Feb 2015 #329

Um, this, times a googolplex. hifiguy Feb 2015 #433

I get a chuckle out of prudes and censors. 99Forever Feb 2015 #443

I take it you don't want any actual discussion then. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #186

I grew up in Las Vegas Nevernose Feb 2015 #149

Sounds about like the right way to do it. F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #297

I thought the SI Swimsuit Wars didn't start until next week. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #150

If you think this, you haven't been following Jeter's career adigal Feb 2015 #155

So now you're telling us what Derek Jeters parents will think? zappaman Feb 2015 #159

No, I haven't followed his career too much... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #163

Next week is the 50 Shades of Grey Suckfest Movie Opening. It's best to get this done early. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #399

Good point. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #458

And as usual, we get a thread hundreds of posts long over a magazine cover... nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #151

The vaccine wars were getting old. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #190

True. Very true. nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #192

Now that's hot Android3.14 Feb 2015 #152

I assume you have never seen porn! LOL, so silly! nt Logical Feb 2015 #162

Is it that time of year already? Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #165

It's a week early according to my timeline. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #174

"practically porn"? Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #167

Quick someone call Justice Potter Stewart Kurska Feb 2015 #218

Potter Stewart reference: You Beat Me To It. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #223

.... Kurska Feb 2015 #226

It looks like a CGI (computer generated image) indie9197 Feb 2015 #172

Good heavens! A magazine cover was retouched?!? Orrex Feb 2015 #177

Nudity, of even semi-nudity, isn't porn. nt MrScorpio Feb 2015 #179

omg L0oniX Feb 2015 #196

Okay, folks. I fixed it for ya. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #198

Now that is awesome! NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #202

I wanted to make it so the nun is actually coming out of her bathing suit Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #203

! opiate69 Feb 2015 #210

LMAO! nt. polly7 Feb 2015 #531

You are giving them free dvertisement. CentralMass Feb 2015 #207

Bikinis on a farm? Does she have a tractor story? betsuni Feb 2015 #212

Right? It's a ridiculous picture, no purpose except to push the envelope as far as they can adigal Feb 2015 #266

You think that's as far as they can push the envelope? NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #270

But it wasn't a man in a fig leaf. F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #298

"That's the real problem here." NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #299

So discussing sexism and objectification F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #302

Absolutely you can discuss it. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #305

evidence would be great! Snow Leopard Feb 2015 #596

"Seems like Gloria Steinem wasted her time" LittleBlue Feb 2015 #461

warning: gratuitous flashing of body parts onenote Feb 2015 #215

Don't be surprised if this draws an alert. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #221

Here. F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #300

Thank you for a wildy entertaining thread! zappaman Feb 2015 #219

I didn't see Jeter's pic or name, so no, not porn. bluedigger Feb 2015 #220

It clearly fits the definition of porn. n/t prayin4rain Feb 2015 #230

The entire purpose of the photo is to be sexually enticing. Isn't that the definition of porn? DebJ Feb 2015 #231

Exactly. n/t prayin4rain Feb 2015 #233

So anything that is sexually enticing is porn? NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #243

When you are exposing your genitalia, yes. n/t DebJ Feb 2015 #354

What genitalia is being exposed? nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #402

Mons pubis n/t DebJ Feb 2015 #444

I can't see her mons. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #446

I had to google what that even is... Agschmid Feb 2015 #501

So any popular movie that involves a sex scene is porn? killbotfactory Feb 2015 #245

pictures, books, movies. ... prayin4rain Feb 2015 #248

Wow. Pornography is way more respectable than I thought. nt killbotfactory Feb 2015 #250

Have you ever read Gone With the Wind? NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #252

That's not MY definition. n/t prayin4rain Feb 2015 #253

Okay, well nice talking with you. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #254

Porn if it is for men. "Erotica" if it is for women. nt Bonobo Feb 2015 #251

That's true, too. That double standard does exist. n/t prayin4rain Feb 2015 #255

Al Goldstien, publisher of Screw magazine, once offered this... msanthrope Feb 2015 #404

That's a nearly perfect definition, but I offer one caveat... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #464

I prefer to read it. msanthrope Feb 2015 #466

I'll check that out. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #470

It's risqu� killbotfactory Feb 2015 #236

Vintage Sports Illustrated Swimsuit cover. edbermac Feb 2015 #308

Some of those knees are bare. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #309

Has anyone got a link to last year's thread? Violet_Crumble Feb 2015 #310

Here ya go -- HappyMe Feb 2015 #317

Thanks, HappyMe. I'm all prepared now for this years attempt to break the trainwreck record.... Violet_Crumble Feb 2015 #324

Good to see you too. HappyMe Feb 2015 #326

Absurd...a pilot being burned alive doesn't keep people from having other concerns adigal Feb 2015 #374

I briefly skimmed it and see the author of this OP is mysteriously RiffRandell Feb 2015 #383

Aaaah! Ugly shoe porn! HappyMe Feb 2015 #384

Awesome! Thanks. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #589

I vote no. nt johnson_z Feb 2015 #318

When you see a thread complaining about the SI cover that means... Yavin4 Feb 2015 #334

Don't worry mom...your teenage sons have actual porn for their sexual pleasure... pipoman Feb 2015 #339

I remember the days when I used to LOOK FORWARD to this issue. Frank Cannon Feb 2015 #356

Based on your third sentence, a suggestion for you... tridim Feb 2015 #357

????? hifiguy Feb 2015 #601

Back in my day we had to walk up hill in the snow for our porn n/t Yavin4 Feb 2015 #367

I'm not that old....i had to hide it between my mattress and box spring pipoman Feb 2015 #370

I remember going in to the back room of video stores to rent porn Yavin4 Feb 2015 #371

Lol...I remember that... pipoman Feb 2015 #382

You were going to the wrong video stores, then. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #453

Didn't realize we had so many Amish posting here on DU. Frank Cannon Feb 2015 #353

In this case the nudity is being shoved in everyone's face. alp227 Feb 2015 #505

I wonder how people would feel about this cover if it showed Bettie Feb 2015 #372

Can you imagine?? They put a size 16 woman into one of their editions this year adigal Feb 2015 #373

There would be wailing and rending of clothing (metaphorically) Bettie Feb 2015 #375

Really? People made those comments here? Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #441

No, it wasn't here. And you just referred me back to this thread. nt adigal Feb 2015 #452

i know I did. I think it's funny that you're bemoaning the bad-mouthing of SI swimsuit models Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #455

Oh, another faux-clever response. How cute. But this is a serious issue, and many women are adigal Feb 2015 #459

You're trying to change the subject. You were complaining about people bad-mouthing the models. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #465

OK, Warren, let me say this simply adigal Feb 2015 #468

I thought last year's cover was better, the 3 women were curvier. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #469

"But this is a serious issue" EX500rider Feb 2015 #602

This is a serious issue? NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #618

I'd be fine with that. polly7 Feb 2015 #380

Right, last year some people were goin' on all day long about how no one can look like the 3 Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #439

No images of the prophet muhammad or of women in bikinis seems to be a theme with some folks The Straight Story Feb 2015 #462

Doubleplusbad wrongthink! Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #467

Do you suppose that men appear on a lot of magazine covers without makeup and photoshopping? Orrex Feb 2015 #488

Why do many of the posts in this thread BubbaFett Feb 2015 #381

Not even close. In_The_Wind Feb 2015 #386

Jeter's relationship with parents dies from case of the vapors.... nt ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2015 #387

"It's porn!" "No it isn't!" Yawn. Grow up. Don't look at it if you don't like it. yellowcanine Feb 2015 #391

That's a BS answer when it is openly displayed at the supermarket adigal Feb 2015 #456

Maybe they should TALK to their daughters. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #490

So you are assuming they don't??? So if a girl is affected by media images, that means her mother adigal Feb 2015 #493

Interesting that my daughter... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #583

Then file a complaint with your supermarket's management davidn3600 Feb 2015 #515

Are you seriously posting a Daily Mail article that describes a woman as the property of Derek Jeter Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #411

disgusting! Stellar Feb 2015 #429

Does the picture arouse you? If not then it is not porn, if so then yes it is porn. Rex Feb 2015 #440

I'm a 40 year old hetero titaniumsalute Feb 2015 #487

Coffee Porn! Major Nikon Feb 2015 #546

oooo. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #581

Threads like these expose DU's servers/software LittleBlue Feb 2015 #445

I've been noticing that a lot lately on longer threads. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #471

This is why there's a trash button on a thread. nt TeamPooka Feb 2015 #447

Community standards apply whenever the subject is porn. BootinUp Feb 2015 #454

Yesterday's "Nightline" did a story about the cover but wouldn't show it ... betsuni Feb 2015 #463

It would be porn if someone had just lit her on fire randr Feb 2015 #473

Sweet! It's totally time for another round of good old fashioned DU prudery! TransitJohn Feb 2015 #475

Finding women in bikinis attractive is apparently "unhealthy sexuality" Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #519

This thread has now handily passed the # of posts in this classic of hifiguy Feb 2015 #483

Batten Down Teh Hatches Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #484

Aye Aye, Captain! RiffRandell Feb 2015 #500

Now you're just Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #518

Well... antiquie Feb 2015 #555

Heavens! How did the universe survive? Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #571

The bellybutton alone antiquie Feb 2015 #576

**Sigh** NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #588

LOL! hifiguy Feb 2015 #521

Indeed. hifiguy Feb 2015 #523

I would hold open the door for someone buying the spiderwoman comic The Straight Story Feb 2015 #524

That's just pure and simple plain old misogyny! NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #586

Lol. The moral outrage here definitely compares well to the religious right at times. Calista241 Feb 2015 #548

Porn by religious 1915 standards.... steve2470 Feb 2015 #553

well goddamn, this sure is a shiny object. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #554

Crap man, did you just get here? Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #570

Yes, I just arrived on the scene, but I can't stay. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #574

Watch out for the carniverous plants. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #575

Not my type. Too skinny and boney. It's not porn to me 'cause she looks just silly. BlueJazz Feb 2015 #572

STUPID PICTURE. trueblue2007 Feb 2015 #578

I just checked out last year's SI Swimsuit thread. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #591

Will this 2015 SI cover thread eclipse the 2014 thread in replies? aikoaiko Feb 2015 #593

I don't see any pubes so it isn't porn. McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #611

That's, like, a whole 'nother fight. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #613

I must have missed those. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #617

It was truly a thing to behold. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #619

What they really want is to tell EVERYONE what they should or shouldn't do... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #630

People who are offended by and made uncomfortable by the human body or the act of sex NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #627

i love this cover. samsingh Feb 2015 #628

porn is the porn of DU WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2015 #634

Some very inportant info on this thread.. Stuart G Feb 2015 #637

This is the thread that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friend. Some people started replying to FSogol Feb 2015 #638

And so forth... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #639