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kcr

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100. That's a mighty high bar for opinions on a message board, but okay

Thu Feb 12, 2015, 03:24 PM

Feb 2015

I think the fact that only three teams in 68 years have lost their titles, none of them being predominantly white teams from affluent towns , combined with the fact that LL officials knew about the boundary issues before the end of the season is a pretty good jumping off point to warrant looking into. I found all this out since my first post on this thread. I didn't even know all this and my first instinct wasn't to throw up the race card accusation. I really don't get it.

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Little League cheating call raises allegations of racism [View all] philosslayer Feb 2015 OP

Oh, boo hoo TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2015 #1

It's kind of insensitive though . . . brush Feb 2015 #2

Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #5

Talk about insensitive brush Feb 2015 #18

There are calls to investigate other teams? kcr Feb 2015 #24

Just found out another team had its wins pulled. CANDO Feb 2015 #174

huh? TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2015 #11

True...we only celebrate when NFL teams cheat and win Super Bowls adigal Feb 2015 #31

Protest noted -- but did the team actually cheat? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #3

Well GummyBearz Feb 2015 #8

So? ProfessorGAC Feb 2015 #36

The question is do other teams cheat but get away with it. kcr Feb 2015 #9

Has that been shown? Have specific allegations even been brought? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #10

There were allegations Taiwan cheated on ages of players HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #14

A Philippine team was disqualfied over that in 1992 KamaAina Feb 2015 #65

I have no idea. kcr Feb 2015 #21

You're going to accuse people of racism based on Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #22

What? kcr Feb 2015 #25

What? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #26

So, what is so hard to understand about those sentences? kcr Feb 2015 #27

It's not hard to understand you're accusing people of cheating with ZERO basis in evidence. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #28

Alrighty then kcr Feb 2015 #30

Bless your heart. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #32

Do you see allegations everywhere you look? kcr Feb 2015 #33

Do you see racism everywhere you look? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #43

Your logic is a tad flawed, there kcr Feb 2015 #49

You misstate supposition A. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #57

No, that's your supposition kcr Feb 2015 #64

"It isn't that far fectched on a number of levels." Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #68

Soleley a product of my imagination because? kcr Feb 2015 #70

"Racism doesn't exist?" Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #79

You are implying that statement by your reaction to the claim of racism kcr Feb 2015 #82

"You are implying that statement by your reaction to the claim of racism" Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #84

What do you mean, no one has claimed uninvestigated cheating? kcr Feb 2015 #85

Who cheated when and how? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #86

So, I'm right. No evidence, no investigation. kcr Feb 2015 #88

Who are you investigating for what? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #93

I'm not investigating anyone kcr Feb 2015 #96

Who should be investigated? What should they be investigated for? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #99

That's a mighty high bar for opinions on a message board, but okay kcr Feb 2015 #100

Of the remaining 65 teams to win the title which ones cheated and how? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #105

Ha ha! This is like a merry go round kcr Feb 2015 #107

It's not a Merry-Go-Round it's a simple question: Who cheated when and how? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #108

It opens the door to an investigation. Exactly. kcr Feb 2015 #168

People were able to figure out the team in the OP was cheating. No ESP needed. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #170

Srsly? GGJohn Feb 2015 #121

Uh, no. kcr Feb 2015 #167

No, you pull this crap so often on this forum LittleBlue Feb 2015 #47

Feel free to show me where I'm wrong n/t kcr Feb 2015 #50

Pretty simple LittleBlue Feb 2015 #58

I'm defending cheating? kcr Feb 2015 #66

"He's got you on this one." Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #59

Didn't know! LittleBlue Feb 2015 #62

No worries. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #69

You shouldn't forgive so fast! FBaggins Feb 2015 #120

... X_Digger Feb 2015 #191

Specific allegations with regard to the team who filed the complaint ScreamingMeemie Feb 2015 #112

Shouldn't the question be ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #151

Were cheating allegations made against other teams? GGJohn Feb 2015 #152

Probably not ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #159

There were. Against the team that made this allegation. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2015 #161

It wasn't necessarily a residency issue. Ace Rothstein Feb 2015 #154

Disgruntled losers will always be looking for cheaters TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2015 #12

if they wanted to build a "superteam" questionseverything Feb 2015 #37

I grew up on the baseball field :) TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2015 #42

baseball is the funnest game in the world!!! questionseverything Feb 2015 #51

Agreed; but let's examine that a bit ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #158

It was local leagues in the Chicago area that pushed the investigation. Ace Rothstein Feb 2015 #163

Little League is full of rivalries Yupster Feb 2015 #204

no offense to these little league teams questionseverything Feb 2015 #169

The question is, is there any evidence of cheating by the other teams? GGJohn Feb 2015 #15

AFAYK? Well then, why jump to the conclusion the allegations of racism are bullshit? kcr Feb 2015 #20

There are always allegations of teams cheating... CANDO Feb 2015 #90

Why now? Because maybe it's true. kcr Feb 2015 #95

You are flat out wrong. CANDO Feb 2015 #173

I'll ask again, GGJohn Feb 2015 #119

If you're so interested, feel free to look for yourself kcr Feb 2015 #166

These kids aren't dumb glasshouses Feb 2015 #38

Yes, some of those kids knew they were cheating. TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2015 #44

Yes, the team did cheat. If you know how LL works TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2015 #39

I believe they did. Ace Rothstein Feb 2015 #60

Because they moved during the season, again... I agree with Jesse, 6 months to figure this out uponit7771 Feb 2015 #98

The regional office was in cahoots with JRW. Ace Rothstein Feb 2015 #106

If the team leaders cheated then if there is any harm to the players then this hurt is on the Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #4

Cheating is cheating. cwydro Feb 2015 #6

+100 840high Feb 2015 #92

Oh, cut the crap, Jesse. TheCowsCameHome Feb 2015 #7

Thank you. TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2015 #13

You're welcome. This disgusts me on so many levels TheCowsCameHome Feb 2015 #16

If the team cheated, they should be penalized bigwillq Feb 2015 #17

True. But if rules are going to be enforced, shouldn't they be enforced fairly? kcr Feb 2015 #35

I'm all for rules being enforced fairly. bigwillq Feb 2015 #41

Do you think all teams that win get the same level of scrutiny? kcr Feb 2015 #46

In some cases, yes. bigwillq Feb 2015 #48

I'm not saying teams shouldn't be investigated for cheating kcr Feb 2015 #52

I would say I follow LL closely. bigwillq Feb 2015 #53

So, there have been other teams that won the national title and had them stripped? kcr Feb 2015 #54

This link has some good information bigwillq Feb 2015 #56

So, three teams in 68 years kcr Feb 2015 #74

There was a team in Georgia stripped of a State Championship last year. Ace Rothstein Feb 2015 #71

Only two other teams have been stripped of their national title in 68 years kcr Feb 2015 #75

Maybe there aren't that many teams cheating? Ace Rothstein Feb 2015 #77

Well, I don't either kcr Feb 2015 #80

most cheating teams do not get as far as nationals questionseverything Feb 2015 #78

I think it's plausible that at least some of them did, though. kcr Feb 2015 #81

winning teams receive more scrutiny questionseverything Feb 2015 #87

I know baseball guys (and girls) too kcr Feb 2015 #89

if it makes ya feel better questionseverything Feb 2015 #91

I read that somewhere upthread and that does make me feel better kcr Feb 2015 #101

You seem to be making a lot of assumptions onenote Feb 2015 #115

What assumptions am I making? kcr Feb 2015 #164

Arguably, in a competition it's only necessary to enforce rules against winners. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2015 #141

Rigorous and consistent. kcr Feb 2015 #165

happens all the gol damned time dembotoz Feb 2015 #19

Let's say Grambling University wins a baskeball title with players later found to be ineligible... cherokeeprogressive Feb 2015 #23

More like cheatism. Iggo Feb 2015 #29

I Have Concerns About This Too ProfessorGAC Feb 2015 #34

+1 I'm not a huge Jesse Jackson fan but that this winning AA team is singled out riderinthestorm Feb 2015 #72

So what should Little League have done? Yupster Feb 2015 #205

Punish the coaches with heavy fines and permanent suspensions riderinthestorm Feb 2015 #207

...and then, there is this... ScreamingMeemie Feb 2015 #113

The Chicago team knocked this team out in the semi rogerashton Feb 2015 #40

They had to be stripped of the title LittleBlue Feb 2015 #45

Deflate 11 footballs = Superbowl Champions dilby Feb 2015 #55

11 Footballs? Try 1 Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #61

And that was the one that was intercepted KamaAina Feb 2015 #63

1 was 2 pounds under, some were just a few ticks under. dilby Feb 2015 #67

Wow, I hadn't heard they found deflated baseballs. This is a whole 'nuther avenue for investigation. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2015 #73

The biggest problem with Jackson falsely crying racism here Nye Bevan Feb 2015 #76

It was a great story...especially considering TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2015 #83

After reading the story I don't think the "crys" are false, the officials looks to be stretching the uponit7771 Feb 2015 #97

Did you read the League's report and timeline? onenote Feb 2015 #116

It took several years for USC to be stripped... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #155

Much as I don't think much of his crediblity... that's not the biggest problem FBaggins Feb 2015 #118

How about those Las Vegas kids, Jesse? You feel anything for them? TheCowsCameHome Feb 2015 #94

People cheated. hifiguy Feb 2015 #102

Don't blame racism. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #103

Dont blame racism says the experts who know all about racism randys1 Feb 2015 #117

Don't blame those who cheated when you can just cry racism. Ace Rothstein Feb 2015 #122

I see the whole team of racism experts has arrived LOL randys1 Feb 2015 #123

I never claimed to be a racism expert. Ace Rothstein Feb 2015 #126

I don't think it's in dispute that the team cheated... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #153

"It is amazing to me that whenever African-Americans exceed the expectations that there is always randys1 Feb 2015 #104

Bullshit. This is competitive sports. The goal, hence the expectation is to win. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2015 #111

Was Barry Bonds' cheating exposed due to racism? Nye Bevan Feb 2015 #124

I am only an observer, writing a paper on racist experts. Carry on, continue to randys1 Feb 2015 #125

Well I guess it's not racism keeping Pete Rose out. (nt) Nye Bevan Feb 2015 #127

You're the one lecturing on what is racism and what is not. eom. GGJohn Feb 2015 #131

And yet it was you who just said the following randys1 Feb 2015 #133

Do you have any evidence, other than your bullshit allegation, GGJohn Feb 2015 #134

You are the one who just ended the conversation, you are an expert, you know ALL the facts randys1 Feb 2015 #137

Again, do you have ANY evidence that this is race based? GGJohn Feb 2015 #139

You already closed the conversatipm, you know the history of the league, you know everything that randys1 Feb 2015 #142

So why are you so afraid to answer a simple question? GGJohn Feb 2015 #144

I am not answering questions, I am observing white people lecturing others about what is randys1 Feb 2015 #145

Funny thing, this is a chat board, not a picture board, GGJohn Feb 2015 #146

I dont, I am making assumptions...if I am wrong, please let me know randys1 Feb 2015 #147

You are wrong, I'm of Hispanic descent, GGJohn Feb 2015 #149

OK, that is great. I have some Cherokee blood in me, but I always describe myself absolutely randys1 Feb 2015 #150

I'm a white, straight, protestant male. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #201

Some people assume that the only black DUers are those who frequent the African-American group (nt) Nye Bevan Feb 2015 #148

You seem pretty certain that there is a racist motive. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #160

there is ZERO evidence that racism was a factor in stripping their title.. frylock Feb 2015 #184

Bullshit. GGJohn Feb 2015 #128

I see the African American DU members arent even going to bother posting in this thread randys1 Feb 2015 #132

Is your evidence of this being race based is that there is no evidence? eom GGJohn Feb 2015 #136

Why do you believe this was based on racism? SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #157

Not me, I am not the one WHO HAS CONCLUDED that NO racism AT ALL occurred here randys1 Feb 2015 #178

This dude has posted in this thread a couple of times: Nye Bevan Feb 2015 #175

It would have been a much more powerful hughee99 Feb 2015 #197

How do African-Americans exceed expectations at competitive sports? Yupster Feb 2015 #206

It doesn't matter... Whiskeytide Feb 2015 #109

My kids have played Little League and Cal Ripken for years. Xithras Feb 2015 #110

Th ey should have taken a page from the New England Patriots school of cheating . Initech Feb 2015 #114

Congratulations to Mountain View (Las Vegas) Little League, the true US champions. Nye Bevan Feb 2015 #129

Look at all those REAL american faces...now THAT is what I call AMERICA randys1 Feb 2015 #177

I guess you think that the Las Vegas team SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #179

Wonderful smiling faces, who could be bothered by that? randys1 Feb 2015 #181

No one should SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #183

I think it was a jealous coach that made the stink. B Calm Feb 2015 #130

That's part of the coach's job FBaggins Feb 2015 #138

... ScreamingMeemie Feb 2015 #162

she's racist frylock Feb 2015 #185

If the rules are to apply to all teams then all teams should abide by the rules. Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #135

Here's the way I judge it bluestateguy Feb 2015 #140

LL is pretty anal about enforcing boundries, GGJohn Feb 2015 #143

LL is very strict about enforcing the boundaries TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2015 #171

Update: The team has hired a lawyer KamaAina Feb 2015 #156

This was inevitable and is the reason it took so long for action after the facts were known TransitJohn Feb 2015 #172

Do you have a link to when the "facts were known"? onenote Feb 2015 #182

Formal complaints started as long ago as at least last October. TransitJohn Feb 2015 #188

That doesn't mean the facts were known then, GGJohn Feb 2015 #193

It took two months, in fact, if you want to continue to quibble and split hairs TransitJohn Feb 2015 #195

Are they going to strip New England Patriots of Super Bowl championship? B Calm Feb 2015 #176

What does that have to do with anything? n/t SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #180

All sport teams cheat one way or another. B Calm Feb 2015 #189

I don't believe that all sports team do cheat SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #192

LOL B Calm Feb 2015 #194

No, they didn't win the World Series SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #196

No Takket Feb 2015 #187

None of the players were taking steroids? B Calm Feb 2015 #190

I'm not aware of any that were caught, at least. hughee99 Feb 2015 #198

nope. Takket Feb 2015 #200

LOL Sure okay. . . B Calm Feb 2015 #208

There is so much white privilege in this thread. It's disgusting. ARMYofONE Feb 2015 #186

No, there's people who realize that facts are sometimes just facts TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2015 #199

No, what's disgusting is your comment here. GGJohn Feb 2015 #202

Welcome to DU! Nye Bevan Feb 2015 #203