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207. Punish the coaches with heavy fines and permanent suspensions

Sun Feb 15, 2015, 11:53 AM

Feb 2015

Asterisk the win for posterity. Elevate the losing team in the record books as well and treat those kids to all the perks that the winning team received.

The Jackie Robinson team won't be able to field the same team two years in a row since the cheating is now exposed, and certainly won't be winning with an entirely new coaching staff.

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Little League cheating call raises allegations of racism [View all] philosslayer Feb 2015 OP

Oh, boo hoo TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2015 #1

It's kind of insensitive though . . . brush Feb 2015 #2

Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #5

Talk about insensitive brush Feb 2015 #18

There are calls to investigate other teams? kcr Feb 2015 #24

Just found out another team had its wins pulled. CANDO Feb 2015 #174

huh? TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2015 #11

True...we only celebrate when NFL teams cheat and win Super Bowls adigal Feb 2015 #31

Protest noted -- but did the team actually cheat? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #3

Well GummyBearz Feb 2015 #8

So? ProfessorGAC Feb 2015 #36

The question is do other teams cheat but get away with it. kcr Feb 2015 #9

Has that been shown? Have specific allegations even been brought? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #10

There were allegations Taiwan cheated on ages of players HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #14

A Philippine team was disqualfied over that in 1992 KamaAina Feb 2015 #65

I have no idea. kcr Feb 2015 #21

You're going to accuse people of racism based on Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #22

What? kcr Feb 2015 #25

What? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #26

So, what is so hard to understand about those sentences? kcr Feb 2015 #27

It's not hard to understand you're accusing people of cheating with ZERO basis in evidence. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #28

Alrighty then kcr Feb 2015 #30

Bless your heart. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #32

Do you see allegations everywhere you look? kcr Feb 2015 #33

Do you see racism everywhere you look? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #43

Your logic is a tad flawed, there kcr Feb 2015 #49

You misstate supposition A. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #57

No, that's your supposition kcr Feb 2015 #64

"It isn't that far fectched on a number of levels." Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #68

Soleley a product of my imagination because? kcr Feb 2015 #70

"Racism doesn't exist?" Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #79

You are implying that statement by your reaction to the claim of racism kcr Feb 2015 #82

"You are implying that statement by your reaction to the claim of racism" Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #84

What do you mean, no one has claimed uninvestigated cheating? kcr Feb 2015 #85

Who cheated when and how? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #86

So, I'm right. No evidence, no investigation. kcr Feb 2015 #88

Who are you investigating for what? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #93

I'm not investigating anyone kcr Feb 2015 #96

Who should be investigated? What should they be investigated for? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #99

That's a mighty high bar for opinions on a message board, but okay kcr Feb 2015 #100

Of the remaining 65 teams to win the title which ones cheated and how? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #105

Ha ha! This is like a merry go round kcr Feb 2015 #107

It's not a Merry-Go-Round it's a simple question: Who cheated when and how? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #108

It opens the door to an investigation. Exactly. kcr Feb 2015 #168

People were able to figure out the team in the OP was cheating. No ESP needed. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #170

Srsly? GGJohn Feb 2015 #121

Uh, no. kcr Feb 2015 #167

No, you pull this crap so often on this forum LittleBlue Feb 2015 #47

Feel free to show me where I'm wrong n/t kcr Feb 2015 #50

Pretty simple LittleBlue Feb 2015 #58

I'm defending cheating? kcr Feb 2015 #66

"He's got you on this one." Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #59

Didn't know! LittleBlue Feb 2015 #62

No worries. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #69

You shouldn't forgive so fast! FBaggins Feb 2015 #120

... X_Digger Feb 2015 #191

Specific allegations with regard to the team who filed the complaint ScreamingMeemie Feb 2015 #112

Shouldn't the question be ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #151

Were cheating allegations made against other teams? GGJohn Feb 2015 #152

Probably not ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #159

There were. Against the team that made this allegation. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2015 #161

It wasn't necessarily a residency issue. Ace Rothstein Feb 2015 #154

Disgruntled losers will always be looking for cheaters TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2015 #12

if they wanted to build a "superteam" questionseverything Feb 2015 #37

I grew up on the baseball field :) TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2015 #42

baseball is the funnest game in the world!!! questionseverything Feb 2015 #51

Agreed; but let's examine that a bit ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #158

It was local leagues in the Chicago area that pushed the investigation. Ace Rothstein Feb 2015 #163

Little League is full of rivalries Yupster Feb 2015 #204

no offense to these little league teams questionseverything Feb 2015 #169

The question is, is there any evidence of cheating by the other teams? GGJohn Feb 2015 #15

AFAYK? Well then, why jump to the conclusion the allegations of racism are bullshit? kcr Feb 2015 #20

There are always allegations of teams cheating... CANDO Feb 2015 #90

Why now? Because maybe it's true. kcr Feb 2015 #95

You are flat out wrong. CANDO Feb 2015 #173

I'll ask again, GGJohn Feb 2015 #119

If you're so interested, feel free to look for yourself kcr Feb 2015 #166

These kids aren't dumb glasshouses Feb 2015 #38

Yes, some of those kids knew they were cheating. TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2015 #44

Yes, the team did cheat. If you know how LL works TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2015 #39

I believe they did. Ace Rothstein Feb 2015 #60

Because they moved during the season, again... I agree with Jesse, 6 months to figure this out uponit7771 Feb 2015 #98

The regional office was in cahoots with JRW. Ace Rothstein Feb 2015 #106

If the team leaders cheated then if there is any harm to the players then this hurt is on the Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #4

Cheating is cheating. cwydro Feb 2015 #6

+100 840high Feb 2015 #92

Oh, cut the crap, Jesse. TheCowsCameHome Feb 2015 #7

Thank you. TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2015 #13

You're welcome. This disgusts me on so many levels TheCowsCameHome Feb 2015 #16

If the team cheated, they should be penalized bigwillq Feb 2015 #17

True. But if rules are going to be enforced, shouldn't they be enforced fairly? kcr Feb 2015 #35

I'm all for rules being enforced fairly. bigwillq Feb 2015 #41

Do you think all teams that win get the same level of scrutiny? kcr Feb 2015 #46

In some cases, yes. bigwillq Feb 2015 #48

I'm not saying teams shouldn't be investigated for cheating kcr Feb 2015 #52

I would say I follow LL closely. bigwillq Feb 2015 #53

So, there have been other teams that won the national title and had them stripped? kcr Feb 2015 #54

This link has some good information bigwillq Feb 2015 #56

So, three teams in 68 years kcr Feb 2015 #74

There was a team in Georgia stripped of a State Championship last year. Ace Rothstein Feb 2015 #71

Only two other teams have been stripped of their national title in 68 years kcr Feb 2015 #75

Maybe there aren't that many teams cheating? Ace Rothstein Feb 2015 #77

Well, I don't either kcr Feb 2015 #80

most cheating teams do not get as far as nationals questionseverything Feb 2015 #78

I think it's plausible that at least some of them did, though. kcr Feb 2015 #81

winning teams receive more scrutiny questionseverything Feb 2015 #87

I know baseball guys (and girls) too kcr Feb 2015 #89

if it makes ya feel better questionseverything Feb 2015 #91

I read that somewhere upthread and that does make me feel better kcr Feb 2015 #101

You seem to be making a lot of assumptions onenote Feb 2015 #115

What assumptions am I making? kcr Feb 2015 #164

Arguably, in a competition it's only necessary to enforce rules against winners. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2015 #141

Rigorous and consistent. kcr Feb 2015 #165

happens all the gol damned time dembotoz Feb 2015 #19

Let's say Grambling University wins a baskeball title with players later found to be ineligible... cherokeeprogressive Feb 2015 #23

More like cheatism. Iggo Feb 2015 #29

I Have Concerns About This Too ProfessorGAC Feb 2015 #34

+1 I'm not a huge Jesse Jackson fan but that this winning AA team is singled out riderinthestorm Feb 2015 #72

So what should Little League have done? Yupster Feb 2015 #205

Punish the coaches with heavy fines and permanent suspensions riderinthestorm Feb 2015 #207

...and then, there is this... ScreamingMeemie Feb 2015 #113

The Chicago team knocked this team out in the semi rogerashton Feb 2015 #40

They had to be stripped of the title LittleBlue Feb 2015 #45

Deflate 11 footballs = Superbowl Champions dilby Feb 2015 #55

11 Footballs? Try 1 Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #61

And that was the one that was intercepted KamaAina Feb 2015 #63

1 was 2 pounds under, some were just a few ticks under. dilby Feb 2015 #67

Wow, I hadn't heard they found deflated baseballs. This is a whole 'nuther avenue for investigation. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2015 #73

The biggest problem with Jackson falsely crying racism here Nye Bevan Feb 2015 #76

It was a great story...especially considering TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2015 #83

After reading the story I don't think the "crys" are false, the officials looks to be stretching the uponit7771 Feb 2015 #97

Did you read the League's report and timeline? onenote Feb 2015 #116

It took several years for USC to be stripped... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #155

Much as I don't think much of his crediblity... that's not the biggest problem FBaggins Feb 2015 #118

How about those Las Vegas kids, Jesse? You feel anything for them? TheCowsCameHome Feb 2015 #94

People cheated. hifiguy Feb 2015 #102

Don't blame racism. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #103

Dont blame racism says the experts who know all about racism randys1 Feb 2015 #117

Don't blame those who cheated when you can just cry racism. Ace Rothstein Feb 2015 #122

I see the whole team of racism experts has arrived LOL randys1 Feb 2015 #123

I never claimed to be a racism expert. Ace Rothstein Feb 2015 #126

I don't think it's in dispute that the team cheated... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #153

"It is amazing to me that whenever African-Americans exceed the expectations that there is always randys1 Feb 2015 #104

Bullshit. This is competitive sports. The goal, hence the expectation is to win. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2015 #111

Was Barry Bonds' cheating exposed due to racism? Nye Bevan Feb 2015 #124

I am only an observer, writing a paper on racist experts. Carry on, continue to randys1 Feb 2015 #125

Well I guess it's not racism keeping Pete Rose out. (nt) Nye Bevan Feb 2015 #127

You're the one lecturing on what is racism and what is not. eom. GGJohn Feb 2015 #131

And yet it was you who just said the following randys1 Feb 2015 #133

Do you have any evidence, other than your bullshit allegation, GGJohn Feb 2015 #134

You are the one who just ended the conversation, you are an expert, you know ALL the facts randys1 Feb 2015 #137

Again, do you have ANY evidence that this is race based? GGJohn Feb 2015 #139

You already closed the conversatipm, you know the history of the league, you know everything that randys1 Feb 2015 #142

So why are you so afraid to answer a simple question? GGJohn Feb 2015 #144

I am not answering questions, I am observing white people lecturing others about what is randys1 Feb 2015 #145

Funny thing, this is a chat board, not a picture board, GGJohn Feb 2015 #146

I dont, I am making assumptions...if I am wrong, please let me know randys1 Feb 2015 #147

You are wrong, I'm of Hispanic descent, GGJohn Feb 2015 #149

OK, that is great. I have some Cherokee blood in me, but I always describe myself absolutely randys1 Feb 2015 #150

I'm a white, straight, protestant male. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #201

Some people assume that the only black DUers are those who frequent the African-American group (nt) Nye Bevan Feb 2015 #148

You seem pretty certain that there is a racist motive. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #160

there is ZERO evidence that racism was a factor in stripping their title.. frylock Feb 2015 #184

Bullshit. GGJohn Feb 2015 #128

I see the African American DU members arent even going to bother posting in this thread randys1 Feb 2015 #132

Is your evidence of this being race based is that there is no evidence? eom GGJohn Feb 2015 #136

Why do you believe this was based on racism? SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #157

Not me, I am not the one WHO HAS CONCLUDED that NO racism AT ALL occurred here randys1 Feb 2015 #178

This dude has posted in this thread a couple of times: Nye Bevan Feb 2015 #175

It would have been a much more powerful hughee99 Feb 2015 #197

How do African-Americans exceed expectations at competitive sports? Yupster Feb 2015 #206

It doesn't matter... Whiskeytide Feb 2015 #109

My kids have played Little League and Cal Ripken for years. Xithras Feb 2015 #110

Th ey should have taken a page from the New England Patriots school of cheating . Initech Feb 2015 #114

Congratulations to Mountain View (Las Vegas) Little League, the true US champions. Nye Bevan Feb 2015 #129

Look at all those REAL american faces...now THAT is what I call AMERICA randys1 Feb 2015 #177

I guess you think that the Las Vegas team SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #179

Wonderful smiling faces, who could be bothered by that? randys1 Feb 2015 #181

No one should SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #183

I think it was a jealous coach that made the stink. B Calm Feb 2015 #130

That's part of the coach's job FBaggins Feb 2015 #138

... ScreamingMeemie Feb 2015 #162

she's racist frylock Feb 2015 #185

If the rules are to apply to all teams then all teams should abide by the rules. Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #135

Here's the way I judge it bluestateguy Feb 2015 #140

LL is pretty anal about enforcing boundries, GGJohn Feb 2015 #143

LL is very strict about enforcing the boundaries TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2015 #171

Update: The team has hired a lawyer KamaAina Feb 2015 #156

This was inevitable and is the reason it took so long for action after the facts were known TransitJohn Feb 2015 #172

Do you have a link to when the "facts were known"? onenote Feb 2015 #182

Formal complaints started as long ago as at least last October. TransitJohn Feb 2015 #188

That doesn't mean the facts were known then, GGJohn Feb 2015 #193

It took two months, in fact, if you want to continue to quibble and split hairs TransitJohn Feb 2015 #195

Are they going to strip New England Patriots of Super Bowl championship? B Calm Feb 2015 #176

What does that have to do with anything? n/t SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #180

All sport teams cheat one way or another. B Calm Feb 2015 #189

I don't believe that all sports team do cheat SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #192

LOL B Calm Feb 2015 #194

No, they didn't win the World Series SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #196

No Takket Feb 2015 #187

None of the players were taking steroids? B Calm Feb 2015 #190

I'm not aware of any that were caught, at least. hughee99 Feb 2015 #198

nope. Takket Feb 2015 #200

LOL Sure okay. . . B Calm Feb 2015 #208

There is so much white privilege in this thread. It's disgusting. ARMYofONE Feb 2015 #186

No, there's people who realize that facts are sometimes just facts TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2015 #199

No, what's disgusting is your comment here. GGJohn Feb 2015 #202

Welcome to DU! Nye Bevan Feb 2015 #203