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Fumesucker

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73. This is America, the land of Mad Men, everything is a product to be bought and sold

Sun Feb 15, 2015, 08:43 PM

Feb 2015

That's a flip answer but there's more than a little truth in it. As for social justice Eisenhower didn't discriminate between white or black or male or female or gay or straight in that quote I put in the OP, theft under false pretenses is not justice of any sort and I'm describing something that most of us agree took place under false pretenses.

I don't really want to argue with you, I agree with you on so many things. You seem angry a lot and I can't say I blame you, sometimes what I see going on makes me angry too but I try not to take it out on others who aren't responsible for it.

By no means am I saying it *has* to be an either-or situation, I'm describing the choices actually being offered as I see it, if that offends you it's not intentional on my part. As I already said in another thread, I'm not the best writer and I don't write OPs very often because I know it, please excuse my inelegant phrasing of what I'm trying to convey.

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How much social justice would $3,000,000,000,000 buy? [View all] Fumesucker Feb 2015 OP

A hell of a lot. Now I'm not going to hold her vote against her, most democrats did vote for it. Autumn Feb 2015 #1

My dear Autumn... MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #6

I stand corrected my dearest Manny, I only included the senate since our VP was happy to vote for it Autumn Feb 2015 #7

Sans Kucinich who led the anti-war effort. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2015 #21

I hold it against her, because LWolf Feb 2015 #11

I understand why you hold it against her and I support you on that. She still supports the wars Autumn Feb 2015 #12

I saved the names. bvar22 Feb 2015 #47

We knew, they in their positions had to have known more and yet they voted for it Autumn Feb 2015 #48

I'd like to see Russ Feingold in the primary. merrily Feb 2015 #67

I would too!!! bvar22 Feb 2015 #70

Good list. A keeper. calimary Feb 2015 #75

Your list is missing Amo Houghton. bobclark86 Feb 2015 #79

Others voting against it doesn't excuse her. If any other who voted for that invasion run for merrily Feb 2015 #52

I can't be a hypocrite. I voted for Kerry when he ran and he voted for it so to me I owed her a pass Autumn Feb 2015 #61

You gave Kerry a pass compared to Bush, who owns the who effing war. merrily Feb 2015 #63

Just like her husband, who condemned a mentally ill man to death just to get elected. NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #2

Arguably worse Fumesucker Feb 2015 #3

I totally agree with you but do wonder still why she might have thought it was rhett o rick Feb 2015 #44

Center right think tanks did think it was a good idea, but I don't think that excuses her. merrily Feb 2015 #53

There is no excusing the bastards that pushed us into that war. But it doesn't make sense for rhett o rick Feb 2015 #83

Not only voted. Advocated for it. Tried to persuade her fellow Senators to vote for it. merrily Feb 2015 #86

And it is not the rich who profited from the war in the ME that are being asked to pay for it. jwirr Feb 2015 #4

To the contrary, the US requires that the nations let military contractors off the hook, even if merrily Feb 2015 #54

+ infinity BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #82

He's right. Either she voted for the IWR out of political expediency or she's stupid. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #5

Either of which disqualifies her from the presidency hifiguy Feb 2015 #51

+1 Enthusiast Feb 2015 #76

If she voted for the war out of political LuvNewcastle Feb 2015 #8

She may very well be as smart as you. Maedhros Feb 2015 #69

Exactly! ctsnowman Feb 2015 #9

"why Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq War Resolution" Martin Eden Feb 2015 #10

I believe it was Karl Rove who claimed that Democrats forced W. to invade Iraq. McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #13

One of the favorite tricks of Republicans is to accuse someone else of what they are doing.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #14

Not only Republicans, but those who lean right in general. merrily Feb 2015 #68

You are one of the few that try to rationalize HRC's vote to murder innocent Iraqis. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #46

She said herself that she'd heard from constituents both ways. And she never said that more merrily Feb 2015 #56

New York wanted to hit Iraq as payback for 9/11? reddread Feb 2015 #65

They didn't know any better. Iraq was Muslim. That's all that mattered. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #77

Now the Iraq War is Hillary's war? Cryptoad Feb 2015 #15

I love you too... Fumesucker Feb 2015 #17

She advocated for it and she voted for it. She owns that, not the entire war. But that more than merrily Feb 2015 #57

DU knew the Bush Admin was manipulating intelligence (US and British)... WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2015 #62

I think that a number of legislators adieu Feb 2015 #16

Our "Leaders" in the Democratic Party didn't counter the RW propaganda. rgbecker Feb 2015 #18

Is that an admission that Hillary's vote was due to political ambition? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #19

Unfortunately. rgbecker Feb 2015 #26

Isn't that supposed to be Hillary's attraction, she's more than the "usual politician" ? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #28

You can vote for her if you want, but I think she is just the usual politician. rgbecker Feb 2015 #32

Hillary advocated for the war, as well as voting for it, merrily Feb 2015 #58

There seems to be an inordinate number of Viet Nam Vets with unclear memories. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #78

$3,000,000,000,000.00/317,000,000 citizens is $9463.72 Half-Century Man Feb 2015 #20

A hell of a lot if it's not spent on drones pointed at you. n/t :-| DeSwiss Feb 2015 #24

It's not about giving it to people, its about injecting it into our economy JaneyVee Feb 2015 #42

I was exemplifying the easiest most direct approach. Half-Century Man Feb 2015 #43

Then the people'd find out they could exist without leaders..... DeSwiss Feb 2015 #22

There is absolutely NO democracy, and NO candidate is worthy of any following, UNTIL they come out mother earth Feb 2015 #23

Excellent post. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #80

Started out as a good question; ended up being used for Hillary bashing treestar Feb 2015 #25

For a very long time, that has been the saying after my signature... Stuart G Feb 2015 #27

Yet, Ike sent troops to Lebanon when we had no business being there. Didn't he also say "guns and merrily Feb 2015 #66

Senate Roll Call: Iraq Resolution Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #29

Hillary is being touted as the "social justice" candidate Fumesucker Feb 2015 #33

always interesting to me how supposedly liberal dem state senators split their votes, effectively ND-Dem Feb 2015 #34

Is it possible that each of them decided individually on the issue? Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #37

some of the state pairs appear to trade off on the controversial votes. just something i've ND-Dem Feb 2015 #38

Appearances and reality are not the same thing. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #40

Hard Choices - fuck the country now with political expediency so you can survive to fuck the country whereisjustice Feb 2015 #30

"the eventual cost of the Iraq war will be over three trillion dollars." I seem to recall that at ND-Dem Feb 2015 #31

"The OIL will pay for the war." bvar22 Feb 2015 #49

thanks for the reminder. i'd forgotten that. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #50

When asked about cost on one of the talking head shows, Cheney said we might even make money, given merrily Feb 2015 #59

Very cheap! rgbecker Feb 2015 #35

huh? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #39

Seems they thought it was going to be cheap. rgbecker Feb 2015 #41

Oh, way better than merely cheap. Iraq oil would pay for it and maybe more than pay for it. merrily Feb 2015 #60

K&R What utter garbage we are fed by the corporate propaganda machine. woo me with science Feb 2015 #36

Social justice is not a commodity, it's not for sale. Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #45

The Iraq War was far from about only money. I hope with all my heart that merrily Feb 2015 #64

This is America, the land of Mad Men, everything is a product to be bought and sold Fumesucker Feb 2015 #73

You could desalinate California. Octafish Feb 2015 #55

Paradise Stolen. Karmadillo Feb 2015 #71

Hillary Clinton sulphurdunn Feb 2015 #72

Three trillion is cheap considering how safe the Iraq War made us. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #74

So much freedom you can feel an amazing jolt of electrical energy when you exercise them. raouldukelives Feb 2015 #87

Yeah. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #88

K&R. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #81

Hillary, the war hawk. blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #84

more than $10 MILLION DOLLARS PER HOUR nationalize the fed Feb 2015 #85