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merrily

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86. Not only voted. Advocated for it. Tried to persuade her fellow Senators to vote for it.

Mon Feb 16, 2015, 10:19 AM

Feb 2015

Whatever their reasons, DLC and PPI were for the invasion; and she was one of them. I don't know how to explain why they were for it. Everyone I know knew with zero doubt that Bushco were lying--and not even bothering do a half way credible job of lying.

People in a nation probably would hang flowers around the necks of an invading army? HA! (Even if you accept the gratitude premise, did Cheney confuse Iraq with Hawaii? AFAIK, Iraqis do not routinely bestow flower leis on anyone.)

Given Iraq oil, the war was not going to cost much, if anything? We might even come out ahead? HA!

No Vietnam-like quagmire, we'd probably be in and out in six months? HA!

It all sounded ludicrous and contrary to human experience. Anyone who bought it was stupid and I don't think Democratic Senators are stupid. Even if one or two is, they caucus with smart people.

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How much social justice would $3,000,000,000,000 buy? [View all] Fumesucker Feb 2015 OP

A hell of a lot. Now I'm not going to hold her vote against her, most democrats did vote for it. Autumn Feb 2015 #1

My dear Autumn... MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #6

I stand corrected my dearest Manny, I only included the senate since our VP was happy to vote for it Autumn Feb 2015 #7

Sans Kucinich who led the anti-war effort. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2015 #21

I hold it against her, because LWolf Feb 2015 #11

I understand why you hold it against her and I support you on that. She still supports the wars Autumn Feb 2015 #12

I saved the names. bvar22 Feb 2015 #47

We knew, they in their positions had to have known more and yet they voted for it Autumn Feb 2015 #48

I'd like to see Russ Feingold in the primary. merrily Feb 2015 #67

I would too!!! bvar22 Feb 2015 #70

Good list. A keeper. calimary Feb 2015 #75

Your list is missing Amo Houghton. bobclark86 Feb 2015 #79

Others voting against it doesn't excuse her. If any other who voted for that invasion run for merrily Feb 2015 #52

I can't be a hypocrite. I voted for Kerry when he ran and he voted for it so to me I owed her a pass Autumn Feb 2015 #61

You gave Kerry a pass compared to Bush, who owns the who effing war. merrily Feb 2015 #63

Just like her husband, who condemned a mentally ill man to death just to get elected. NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #2

Arguably worse Fumesucker Feb 2015 #3

I totally agree with you but do wonder still why she might have thought it was rhett o rick Feb 2015 #44

Center right think tanks did think it was a good idea, but I don't think that excuses her. merrily Feb 2015 #53

There is no excusing the bastards that pushed us into that war. But it doesn't make sense for rhett o rick Feb 2015 #83

Not only voted. Advocated for it. Tried to persuade her fellow Senators to vote for it. merrily Feb 2015 #86

And it is not the rich who profited from the war in the ME that are being asked to pay for it. jwirr Feb 2015 #4

To the contrary, the US requires that the nations let military contractors off the hook, even if merrily Feb 2015 #54

+ infinity BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #82

He's right. Either she voted for the IWR out of political expediency or she's stupid. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #5

Either of which disqualifies her from the presidency hifiguy Feb 2015 #51

+1 Enthusiast Feb 2015 #76

If she voted for the war out of political LuvNewcastle Feb 2015 #8

She may very well be as smart as you. Maedhros Feb 2015 #69

Exactly! ctsnowman Feb 2015 #9

"why Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq War Resolution" Martin Eden Feb 2015 #10

I believe it was Karl Rove who claimed that Democrats forced W. to invade Iraq. McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #13

One of the favorite tricks of Republicans is to accuse someone else of what they are doing.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #14

Not only Republicans, but those who lean right in general. merrily Feb 2015 #68

You are one of the few that try to rationalize HRC's vote to murder innocent Iraqis. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #46

She said herself that she'd heard from constituents both ways. And she never said that more merrily Feb 2015 #56

New York wanted to hit Iraq as payback for 9/11? reddread Feb 2015 #65

They didn't know any better. Iraq was Muslim. That's all that mattered. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #77

Now the Iraq War is Hillary's war? Cryptoad Feb 2015 #15

I love you too... Fumesucker Feb 2015 #17

She advocated for it and she voted for it. She owns that, not the entire war. But that more than merrily Feb 2015 #57

DU knew the Bush Admin was manipulating intelligence (US and British)... WorseBeforeBetter Feb 2015 #62

I think that a number of legislators adieu Feb 2015 #16

Our "Leaders" in the Democratic Party didn't counter the RW propaganda. rgbecker Feb 2015 #18

Is that an admission that Hillary's vote was due to political ambition? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #19

Unfortunately. rgbecker Feb 2015 #26

Isn't that supposed to be Hillary's attraction, she's more than the "usual politician" ? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #28

You can vote for her if you want, but I think she is just the usual politician. rgbecker Feb 2015 #32

Hillary advocated for the war, as well as voting for it, merrily Feb 2015 #58

There seems to be an inordinate number of Viet Nam Vets with unclear memories. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #78

$3,000,000,000,000.00/317,000,000 citizens is $9463.72 Half-Century Man Feb 2015 #20

A hell of a lot if it's not spent on drones pointed at you. n/t :-| DeSwiss Feb 2015 #24

It's not about giving it to people, its about injecting it into our economy JaneyVee Feb 2015 #42

I was exemplifying the easiest most direct approach. Half-Century Man Feb 2015 #43

Then the people'd find out they could exist without leaders..... DeSwiss Feb 2015 #22

There is absolutely NO democracy, and NO candidate is worthy of any following, UNTIL they come out mother earth Feb 2015 #23

Excellent post. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #80

Started out as a good question; ended up being used for Hillary bashing treestar Feb 2015 #25

For a very long time, that has been the saying after my signature... Stuart G Feb 2015 #27

Yet, Ike sent troops to Lebanon when we had no business being there. Didn't he also say "guns and merrily Feb 2015 #66

Senate Roll Call: Iraq Resolution Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #29

Hillary is being touted as the "social justice" candidate Fumesucker Feb 2015 #33

always interesting to me how supposedly liberal dem state senators split their votes, effectively ND-Dem Feb 2015 #34

Is it possible that each of them decided individually on the issue? Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #37

some of the state pairs appear to trade off on the controversial votes. just something i've ND-Dem Feb 2015 #38

Appearances and reality are not the same thing. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #40

Hard Choices - fuck the country now with political expediency so you can survive to fuck the country whereisjustice Feb 2015 #30

"the eventual cost of the Iraq war will be over three trillion dollars." I seem to recall that at ND-Dem Feb 2015 #31

"The OIL will pay for the war." bvar22 Feb 2015 #49

thanks for the reminder. i'd forgotten that. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #50

When asked about cost on one of the talking head shows, Cheney said we might even make money, given merrily Feb 2015 #59

Very cheap! rgbecker Feb 2015 #35

huh? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #39

Seems they thought it was going to be cheap. rgbecker Feb 2015 #41

Oh, way better than merely cheap. Iraq oil would pay for it and maybe more than pay for it. merrily Feb 2015 #60

K&R What utter garbage we are fed by the corporate propaganda machine. woo me with science Feb 2015 #36

Social justice is not a commodity, it's not for sale. Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #45

The Iraq War was far from about only money. I hope with all my heart that merrily Feb 2015 #64

This is America, the land of Mad Men, everything is a product to be bought and sold Fumesucker Feb 2015 #73

You could desalinate California. Octafish Feb 2015 #55

Paradise Stolen. Karmadillo Feb 2015 #71

Hillary Clinton sulphurdunn Feb 2015 #72

Three trillion is cheap considering how safe the Iraq War made us. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #74

So much freedom you can feel an amazing jolt of electrical energy when you exercise them. raouldukelives Feb 2015 #87

Yeah. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #88

K&R. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #81

Hillary, the war hawk. blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #84

more than $10 MILLION DOLLARS PER HOUR nationalize the fed Feb 2015 #85