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MADem

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236. What was the upside to him going over and clocking this woman he supposedly recognized?

Thu Feb 19, 2015, 01:21 AM

Feb 2015

I'm sorry--his explanation makes sense. None of the "scumbag" and "douchebag" and all the other comments (which, I'll be honest, I think might be substitutes for some other sort of visceral dislike) I am reading here are compelling.

This is a man who has been a professional musician for DECADES. This is how he earns his daily bread. He is not in the habit of beating up women on stage as part of his act. There was a failure of security--he was not kept safe. He reacted. He immediately apologized and went into the lion's den (TMZ) and explained himself. I think this was a failure to provide appropriate services by the venue, and I think he was telling the truth as he understood it.

I don't think he thought he was hitting some fan--I think he thought the guy who was harassing him was the one on that stage.

In any event, I am going to give the brother the benefit of the doubt. I hope this gets sorted out to the satisfaction of everyone involved.

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woman gets on stage to dance behind performer, he punches her HARD!!! gets arrested [View all] Liberal_in_LA Feb 2015 OP

Usually, people who get high tend to be a bit more, shall we say, RELAXED. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #1

The clip is too short, but it looked to me like he was surprised by a person behind him... MADem Feb 2015 #6

That's what I was thinking too Go Vols Feb 2015 #9

Pretty much what I thought also. HappyMe Feb 2015 #10

After Dimebag Darryl, all bets are off. opiate69 Feb 2015 #11

Absolutely right melman Feb 2015 #61

Fucking tragedy, man. (nt) Inkfreak Feb 2015 #164

I still think it was an asshole move on Afroman's part, but I hadn't considered your point. nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #533

video below is little bit longer rollin74 Feb 2015 #16

Glad he got arrested, thanks for this longer video, WAY over reaction. uppityperson Feb 2015 #19

I don't get the impression that he's "beating a woman" there, either. MADem Feb 2015 #21

That's what it looks like to me jberryhill Feb 2015 #28

Riiight and when phil89 Feb 2015 #50

He's supposed to stop the performance the audience paid for... jberryhill Feb 2015 #51

what two crimes did she commit? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #92

Trespassing and battery jberryhill Feb 2015 #93

if someone trespasses on my property i'm still not allowed to beat them. nor am i legally allowed ND-Dem Feb 2015 #98

Given the frequency with which performers are assaulted onstage jberryhill Feb 2015 #119

youtube has dozens of videos of performers dancing with fans, even 'grinding' with fans, and ND-Dem Feb 2015 #126

screw em reddread Feb 2015 #127

well-said Vattel Feb 2015 #138

omg, now you suggest that people who are decent enough to Vattel Feb 2015 #137

I am appalled no matter the skin color of the assaulter. He was not assaulted, he assaulted her. uppityperson Feb 2015 #202

Fortunately... tonedevil Feb 2015 #116

Easy - Biloxi, Mississippi jberryhill Feb 2015 #118

keith richards didn't knock the guy to the ground or punch him in the head. keith richards ND-Dem Feb 2015 #123

Well, if you want to get all inhuman and technical about this, Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2015 #253

Interesting point - she did assault first treestar Feb 2015 #330

FUNNY how you're concentrating on HER alleged infractions. WinkyDink Feb 2015 #524

That's exactly what he's supposed to do tabasco Feb 2015 #383

"It's unfortunate she got hit. It's likewise unfortunate she...." "SHE GOT HIT"?? NO---HE HIT HER. WinkyDink Feb 2015 #523

Incredible that anyone would be defending him. Vattel Feb 2015 #136

Mind boggling and very sad tabasco Feb 2015 #384

I dunno, I think sometimes you need to open your mind up treestar Feb 2015 #505

+100 hey it's only a woman 840high Feb 2015 #169

Curious, what right does he have when she bumps him with her butt? Rex Feb 2015 #320

She is guilty at least of offensive touching treestar Feb 2015 #504

I understand that, but I meant in court is there some unwritten rule Rex Feb 2015 #509

If somebody slaps you in the face treestar Feb 2015 #516

"Equal force" is the key. Perhaps not according to the letter of the law, but still. nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #534

Ok thanks that was what I was wondering Rex Feb 2015 #559

With reasonable (proportionate) force. Ms. Toad Feb 2015 #471

She wasn't knocked out jberryhill Feb 2015 #477

The point is that his response was extremely excessive Ms. Toad Feb 2015 #487

He looked at her before she went around behind him. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2015 #44

I don't think he saw her at all jberryhill Feb 2015 #45

Wow you must be looking at a different video. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2015 #47

That's a two dimensional video jberryhill Feb 2015 #49

He looked right at her before he jawed her. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2015 #56

That was a fraction of a second jberryhill Feb 2015 #58

He saw her - look at the 2nd video. 840high Feb 2015 #170

he saw the woman before he decked her. then he saw he decked her and started playing again. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #91

Someone is stealing his wallet, on center stage with a crowd? Rex Feb 2015 #318

Now I understand you--you're a very literal individual. That explains a lot. MADem Feb 2015 #337

I do tend to take what I read literally, which is why I have a hard time with satire sometimes. Rex Feb 2015 #359

I'll bet he can't believe he did it, either. MADem Feb 2015 #371

I see the problem randys1 Feb 2015 #354

I've come to that conclusion too. +1000. polly7 Feb 2015 #363

I dont know if I would, and that he is hitting a Woman is especially annoying to me, randys1 Feb 2015 #370

I would, because I've been through it before, have been raped, have ptsd polly7 Feb 2015 #372

I would think he would show something other than that blatant disregard afterwards though. uppityperson Feb 2015 #380

Yes, that bothers me too. polly7 Feb 2015 #382

particularly as he knocked her head into the bandstand riser, something which could ND-Dem Feb 2015 #460

I agree. Yes, he should have stopped and helped her. nt. polly7 Feb 2015 #463

This. If his reaction had been one of astonishment and horror, I'd cut him some slack. nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #535

I am not a fan of men hitting women either. MADem Feb 2015 #381

True. No one should hit anyone else, except in self-defense. nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #536

Wow! That dude's an A-hole! Owl Feb 2015 #162

Wow- he needs to cool off in jail. 840high Feb 2015 #168

WTH? Just by looking at the STILL above, one can OBSERVE that he had time to assess and STOP. WinkyDink Feb 2015 #522

No, you can't observe that by looking at the still. nt MADem Feb 2015 #528

It depends on what he was high on and R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #24

That might depend 2naSalit Feb 2015 #67

looks like he didn't like some random ass rubbing against his snooper2 Feb 2015 #2

sad thing is that she was obviously a fan of his music Liberal_in_LA Feb 2015 #3

And thought that meant she could do what she wanted with him? Demit Feb 2015 #30

Does that mean he could lay 840high Feb 2015 #172

No. Demit Feb 2015 #272

not anymore i'm pretty sure. nor her friend that went after her (after making sure the ND-Dem Feb 2015 #101

WTF ??? SamKnause Feb 2015 #4

I know! he could have killed her with a head shot like that. Liberal_in_LA Feb 2015 #7

Well, according to some people on this thread, "Oh well, she shouldn't have commited trespass and Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2015 #254

hmm, there *is* a similarity there. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #312

Not taking into account that there's such a thing as grossly overreacting to a "threat." nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #538

Holy shit, fuck that guy!! PeaceNikki Feb 2015 #5

Looks more like a slap than a punch, but the effect is pretty much the same derby378 Feb 2015 #8

He wasn't getting your money before this I'd gather Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #13

I'll offer him ten bucks for his Strat derby378 Feb 2015 #18

I dunno--he might have a case, she was trespassing on the stage, in essence, and MADem Feb 2015 #22

"Clearly, the guy didn't intentionally hit that woman" Bonx Feb 2015 #62

It was an accident? Vattel Feb 2015 #142

See his TMZ comments at the link at 185. He thought she was a guy who had been yelling MADem Feb 2015 #186

He did not intentionally hit her? His perception was that something else was going on? Vattel Feb 2015 #158

Why are you responding to the same post over and over again? MADem Feb 2015 #188

Is twice over and over again? I have heard his side of the story. It doesn't help him much. Vattel Feb 2015 #200

Yes--twice is over, and over again. MADem Feb 2015 #230

Lol, you have unusually low standards for over and over again. Vattel Feb 2015 #392

This was an accident, IMO. And I don't need to be a judge--this guy will not do any time. MADem Feb 2015 #395

If he believed that he was endangered, which I highly doubt, his belief was unreasonable. Vattel Feb 2015 #407

Says you. MADem Feb 2015 #467

she must be a judge, she's already telling us what his judicial outcomes will be. repeatedly. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #424

Black man hit white Woman (is she white?) randys1 Feb 2015 #355

what? and if you don't know whether she's white or not, what does not knowing that ND-Dem Feb 2015 #425

LOL randys1 Feb 2015 #426

nothing but that little rofl guy; used when people have nothing interesting to say and no real ND-Dem Feb 2015 #427

My observation was sarcastic, while I was posting I looked to see if she was white, because randys1 Feb 2015 #428

you can say that all you like; doesn't mean it's true. nor does it mean you know what any- ND-Dem Feb 2015 #431

He played a venue called Main Street last year in my hometown. cheapdate Feb 2015 #112

never never sneak up behind THAT guy. sheesh! Liberal_in_LA Feb 2015 #120

She was gonna dance next to him Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #12

Hmmmm.... Adrahil Feb 2015 #14

Much too strong a reaction, but the stage is for the performers. MineralMan Feb 2015 #15

+100 nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #539

What an asshole. Jamastiene Feb 2015 #17

If there had been any real security, she wouldn't have MineralMan Feb 2015 #20

I'm betting if stage security wasn't in his performance rider before, it is now. MADem Feb 2015 #23

Yup. No security at all. The woman was on stage for some time, MineralMan Feb 2015 #25

There was a guy on the side of the stage who was giving him a hard time--he thought she was he. MADem Feb 2015 #191

"Involuntary reflex reaction." What a load of shit. Vattel Feb 2015 #167

Well, that's not what he said to TMZ. MADem Feb 2015 #185

watch the long video; he saw her dancing on stage before he decked her. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #187

I watched both videos and I'm not convinced he saw her. I am convinced he saw something and felt MADem Feb 2015 #195

He explains quite well in the TMZ video. Bonobo Feb 2015 #199

I agree. bravenak Feb 2015 #336

+1 one_voice Feb 2015 #366

+1000. polly7 Feb 2015 #368

watch it again. there'd be cheers for the woman because she was weaker than the man. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #201

That's just absurd. He's focusing on PLAYING. MADem Feb 2015 #207

he doesn't appear to feel bad at all in the video. he may have been being heckled by a man ND-Dem Feb 2015 #211

He certainly does in the TMZ video. MADem Feb 2015 #217

he admitted he saw her. yeah, he said he "thought" she left and some guy got on stage. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #222

Your argument lacks logic. Where was the upside to him beating on a woman during a performance? MADem Feb 2015 #226

It was just a few seconds from the time he adjusted his mike to the time he decked her. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #234

What was the upside to him going over and clocking this woman he supposedly recognized? MADem Feb 2015 #236

It's a proxy war. Bonobo Feb 2015 #242

Sadly, I think you're right about that! MADem Feb 2015 #244

After reading that he thought it was the man heckling him, polly7 Feb 2015 #273

I think there will be an equitable resolution to all this. MADem Feb 2015 #298

I hope there will be too, and I agree. polly7 Feb 2015 #315

if there was no security, who escorted him off the stage? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #325

Why do you think it was security? MADem Feb 2015 #331

no, i don't know. unlike some here. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #340

TMZ is ALWAYS accurate, and if you don't know who they are you are living in a cave. MADem Feb 2015 #375

My you're touchy. I'd never heard of it, let alone that it was a 'gossip' site. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #421

I'm not touchy--you're just not informed. MADem Feb 2015 #441

Friends, fellow band members? Crew? polly7 Feb 2015 #332

i don't. i'm asking. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #339

it was a second or two from the time he adjusted his mike to the time he knocked her down. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #303

He was playing the guitar and focusing on that--his eyes were not on the person behind him. MADem Feb 2015 #308

It was exactly 13 seconds from moving the mike to knocking her out, and once he saw he ND-Dem Feb 2015 #314

You would think it he cared, he would've checked on her after that punch. uppityperson Feb 2015 #351

He said--and I believe him--that he thought both women left the stage. MADem Feb 2015 #378

Did he continue to believe that once he knocked her to the floor? You're saying he didn't ND-Dem Feb 2015 #420

Why don't you ask him? Get on his twitter feed and go for it! nt MADem Feb 2015 #443

i asked you if you were making that claim. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #480

You missed my point if you think his being a musician rather than a basketball player is relevant. Vattel Feb 2015 #196

If someone comes up behind me and grabs my ass I'm going to react, too. MADem Feb 2015 #210

You again miss my point. What I argued was a load of shit Vattel Feb 2015 #216

If someone came up behind me and grabbed me I would HIT THEM. MADem Feb 2015 #219

She didn't grab him. If someone bumps into me or even grabs me I do not haul off and hit them. Vattel Feb 2015 #388

It doesn't matter if she assaulted him with her hand or her ass or her shod foot--SHE MADem Feb 2015 #391

She acted foolishly but not in a brutal, disgusting fashion. Vattel Feb 2015 #408

She shouldn't have been on that stage at all, acting foolishly or otherwise. MADem Feb 2015 #445

If your butt gets bumped at work, your reaction is to punch the person in the face? Where do you uppityperson Feb 2015 #345

What do you do when a dude rubs his ass on you? Orrex Feb 2015 #347

Tell them not to, walk away, report it to the supervisor, have security help me uppityperson Feb 2015 #348

I believe you. Do you suppose that every woman would or should react that way? Orrex Feb 2015 #349

I believe this guy acted inappropriately and should be prosecuted and suffer the consequences of his uppityperson Feb 2015 #350

I agree with that as well--I made a similar point earlier in the thread. Orrex Feb 2015 #353

I would charge her with assault also. The disproproportionate reaction and (if in her case as in uppityperson Feb 2015 #356

Again, I agree. Orrex Feb 2015 #358

probably only if the woman had 50 pounds on the man and could be reasonably sure of knocking ND-Dem Feb 2015 #458

You realize that you're advocating in favor of sexual assault, of course. Orrex Feb 2015 #469

huh? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #476

Nicely done! MADem Feb 2015 #495

I don't work any longer--I enjoy a robust retirement. That said, MADem Feb 2015 #373

I don't care the gender or skin color of the people, the response here was overwhelmingly awful uppityperson Feb 2015 #374

Oh please--this is ALL about gender, and with some, it's all about ethnicity, too. MADem Feb 2015 #377

Are you calling me a liar? He responded disproportionately and showed blatant disregard for her uppityperson Feb 2015 #379

I'm saying your opinion is not controlling. MADem Feb 2015 #385

OK, you are calling me a liar. Done with you uppityperson Feb 2015 #386

One more time--I'm telling you that YOUR OPINION IS NOT CONTROLLING. MADem Feb 2015 #389

I tell you what I believe, you tell me I don't believe that. uppityperson Feb 2015 #390

I thought you were done? Your opinion is not controlling. That's what I said. MADem Feb 2015 #394

Here are my and your words, copy pasted. uppityperson Feb 2015 #399

I'll say it again--your opinion is not controlling. MADem Feb 2015 #400

I certainly have no desire to control you in any way. uppityperson Feb 2015 #401

I think you do. MADem Feb 2015 #404

And there you go again. Telling me I don't mean what I say I mean. uppityperson Feb 2015 #409

Hey--you have a nice day, now! MADem Feb 2015 #444

the performer wasn't physically harmed by any 'assault'. the fan was. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #459

Thank you for that opinion, Doctor Freud! MADem Feb 2015 #464

yes, the harm to his precious psyche is every bit as real as punching someone so hard their ND-Dem Feb 2015 #479

There's no sense in continuing this back-n-forth. MADem Feb 2015 #481

you haven't used character assassination or denigrating language? the person who ND-Dem Feb 2015 #482

You have one of those REAL nice days, now! MADem Feb 2015 #483

+1000 Vattel Feb 2015 #413

"Excepting full responsibility"? Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2015 #26

unless that's exactly what he meant lame54 Feb 2015 #33

Gee, maybe "dude" didn't have the benefit of a private education, or even one in a good school MADem Feb 2015 #213

Fuck your apologies, Joseph. Do your time. Iggo Feb 2015 #27

You allow trespassers to come up behind you and touch you without your consent? jberryhill Feb 2015 #32

If someone bumps into me from behind, I don't haul off and smack them, if that's what you mean. Iggo Feb 2015 #34

Performers are frequently attacked onstage jberryhill Feb 2015 #39

If you come up from behind me and bump into me and I turn around and clock you, I'm going to jail... Iggo Feb 2015 #43

As if no hiphop or rap performer has ever been violently attacked jberryhill Feb 2015 #48

Frequently attacked. Those words don't mean what you think they mean. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2015 #493

She did not "bump", she was grinding her ass into him... Drahthaardogs Feb 2015 #66

Ass-grinding-against still doesn't warrant getting slugged. Iggo Feb 2015 #94

I will bear this in mind should you ever be surprised jberryhill Feb 2015 #96

You do that. Iggo Feb 2015 #97

Oh yeah, he way overreacted. He could have just pushed her away Drahthaardogs Feb 2015 #104

None of that excuses his hitting her. Iggo Feb 2015 #121

You typically beat people who touch you without asking permission first? really? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #109

Are you aware that a previous discussion on DU endorsed exactly that practice? Orrex Feb 2015 #317

i don't think i participated in that one. if it's one about women being allowed to hit men for ND-Dem Feb 2015 #326

Thank you. That's my feeling as well. (nt) Orrex Feb 2015 #329

A bit melodramatic--and mocking of someone without benefit of a good education, that comment. MADem Feb 2015 #302

Peformers are often attacked on stage jberryhill Feb 2015 #29

that's what security is for shanti Feb 2015 #35

There was no security jberryhill Feb 2015 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Feb 2015 #72

Take a look at the other videos in this thread jberryhill Feb 2015 #73

... ND-Dem Feb 2015 #130

... opiate69 Feb 2015 #134

Yeah, that's a very similar case to this one. In one, girl with plastic glass in hand, ND-Dem Feb 2015 #178

If you don't think that incident I posted changed forever the way performers view "their stage"... opiate69 Feb 2015 #179

what year was that incident? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #190

Prior to the current year....it's kinda how "changes" work.... opiate69 Feb 2015 #192

what year, exactly? since you say it started a new paradigm. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #208

December 2004. nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #541

I immediately thought of Monica Seles--who was STABBED by someone tblue37 Feb 2015 #85

No, performers should wait around to figure out what the person's intentions are jberryhill Feb 2015 #95

Here's another... opiate69 Feb 2015 #36

Maynard is not a scary black man jberryhill Feb 2015 #41

Bingo. opiate69 Feb 2015 #42

Yep. hunter Feb 2015 #69

Wow, that music is awful! TransitJohn Feb 2015 #177

Hands down, the absolute best band I've ever seen live... opiate69 Feb 2015 #183

It sounds pretty boring TransitJohn Feb 2015 #229

I watched the vid w/o sound, so I can't comment on this band's music, however, Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2015 #255

"Straightforward rock. Not much playfulness with melody or time signature." cleanhippie Feb 2015 #327

It's boring TransitJohn Feb 2015 #436

You said "Straightforward rock. Not much playfulness with melody or time signature." cleanhippie Feb 2015 #501

If you say so. TransitJohn Feb 2015 #525

Honestly, their stuff is only "complex" relative to most 3-chord mainstream rock. nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #542

OMG! I love the way he kept singing treestar Feb 2015 #503

And none of those performers actually punched the person out, from what I could see. nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #540

"And now I'm gonna go to jail, and I know why!" chrisa Feb 2015 #31

Unlikely. He bonded out for the grand sum of three hundred and thirty dollars. MADem Feb 2015 #249

Overreaction for sure madville Feb 2015 #37

I will bet that's what is going to happen if there isn't some sort of agreement early on. MADem Feb 2015 #252

Keith Richards helped a fan off stage once: winstars Feb 2015 #38

No problem, he's white... no charge jberryhill Feb 2015 #46

the most amazing moment on stage ever! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #57

if he 'clocked' him, why was the guy able to keep running? why didn't he fall to the ground ND-Dem Feb 2015 #131

Oh good grief! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #132

I consider knocking someone out and to the ground as something different from whatever ND-Dem Feb 2015 #171

of course what he did was different: Solomon Feb 2015 #264

right. it's because he's black, not because he knocked someone smaller out and to the ground, ND-Dem Feb 2015 #300

Where is the poster saying that what Keith did here is equivalent in outcome? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #419

Keith talking about this incident many years later, "I watched my mans back!!!" winstars Feb 2015 #418

That's almost exactly the same as this Bonx Feb 2015 #60

Funny that the male fan wasn't knocked to the ground unconscious like the woman this guy ND-Dem Feb 2015 #128

Doesn't seem like he clobbered the guy hard enough to actually injure him. nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #543

What the fuck , low life scum hitting women glasshouses Feb 2015 #52

Assholes. stone space Feb 2015 #53

Not just fans... read the thread glasshouses Feb 2015 #59

of course they are... trumad Feb 2015 #78

and loaded with one sided opinions, if some ugly white dude started grinding against Rhianna snooper2 Feb 2015 #288

I'm not sure why MRA douchebags are so fucked up... trumad Feb 2015 #289

The people you are trying to impress here may get offended by your continual use of "douche" snooper2 Feb 2015 #292

No---there's plenty to go after here. trumad Feb 2015 #294

you live in a weird world LOL snooper2 Feb 2015 #299

Why do I need a cape? I'm not rescuing anyone. trumad Feb 2015 #301

Oh it is just fun pointing out hypocrisy snooper2 Feb 2015 #307

I am not sure that falsely accusing people of being MRA is the same as Gore1FL Feb 2015 #398

Message deleted by DU the Administrators sibelian Feb 2015 #376

OK post the links with me assaulting my wife trumad Feb 2015 #435

Deleted them, have you? sibelian Feb 2015 #442

Nothing to delete... trumad Feb 2015 #485

still waiting for the links. trumad Feb 2015 #513

still waiting for the linkso liar trumad Feb 2015 #520

Are you gonna post links? taterguy Feb 2015 #529

He pulled it out of his ass... trumad Feb 2015 #530

For once we can agree on something taterguy Feb 2015 #531

LOL trumad Feb 2015 #532

Basic decency trumps whatever disagreements we've had in the past taterguy Feb 2015 #560

And making it about race to boot! CANDO Feb 2015 #145

Me2 840high Feb 2015 #174

He should be white, like Pitbull jberryhill Feb 2015 #54

So how did he address this? thucythucy Feb 2015 #55

Hey, that was in my home town! stone space Feb 2015 #64

dylan should have had his security deck them. they obviously wanted to do him harm. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #181

He should have known that very instant... thucythucy Feb 2015 #269

Some of the posters in this thread obviously love it... trumad Feb 2015 #63

Yep. Must like seeing a woman get what "she deserved" Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2015 #65

MRA brigade. trumad Feb 2015 #70

Lol, yeah jberryhill Feb 2015 #74

You don't have a guilty conscious do you? trumad Feb 2015 #76

How frequently DO you rub your ass against strangers without their consent? jberryhill Feb 2015 #79

uh huh... trumad Feb 2015 #81

They most certainly would be sick little fuckers jberryhill Feb 2015 #83

you know some men play games when disguising their love trumad Feb 2015 #86

Okay, so... jberryhill Feb 2015 #88

ok...I've had fun with you... trumad Feb 2015 #90

after you rubbed your ass on him? reddread Feb 2015 #154

Yeah - make it all about race. 840high Feb 2015 #175

Oh brother. Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #227

Why should I? It's stupid. 840high Feb 2015 #241

Actually Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #286

You can't possibly be this obtuse. Widget2000 Feb 2015 #259

He wasn't in a crowd on a subway. Why would he be expecting to get his ass rubbed just polly7 Feb 2015 #267

Don't get worked up with the MRA brigade. trumad Feb 2015 #277

I am a woman and a committed feminist. But I still think that performers have good reasons tblue37 Feb 2015 #100

That's fine... trumad Feb 2015 #103

If he was so scared, why didn't he have security? Not to mention that the woman was on ND-Dem Feb 2015 #193

Even if he knew she was there before, he might not have known tblue37 Feb 2015 #276

I'm more concerned with his reaction immediately after decking her. nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #545

... Widget2000 Feb 2015 #258

Because pickpockets always do their dirty work in front of audiences with drink glasses in hand. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #184

That's the best time to pick pockets - Boudica the Lyoness Feb 2015 #243

Sadly, yes, I think most of them would be OK with that. Notice the same rote Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2015 #256

He was also being harassed by a guy in the same general vicinity. MADem Feb 2015 #205

I'm not even sure she even touched him Boudica the Lyoness Feb 2015 #245

From the Vine loop it looks as if she did. nt MADem Feb 2015 #247

Yeah, but are we talking bumped him or grinded? Boudica the Lyoness Feb 2015 #250

It doesn't really matter. MADem Feb 2015 #251

The punch could have ended up being a fatal one. Boudica the Lyoness Feb 2015 #335

Yes... and the woman "could have" pulled out a knife and stabbed the artist. MADem Feb 2015 #454

He saw her - noted her sex - and then he hit her. Boudica the Lyoness Feb 2015 #468

Wow. Facts don't matter at all to you, I guess? MADem Feb 2015 #470

I think you may have outdone yourself on this thread. ronnie624 Feb 2015 #472

Names will never hurt me! MADem Feb 2015 #473

It's late, I'm bored ronnie624 Feb 2015 #475

"He came right out and apologized" Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2015 #490

For $330. Which is a rather low bond. MADem Feb 2015 #494

Yeah. I saw that. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2015 #496

Your opinion is noted. MADem Feb 2015 #497

No, you listen here, bub. I'm the decider!!!! Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2015 #498

Wish I'd known you back then! If you'd ever found those booties, I had feet for them! MADem Feb 2015 #499

Aww. There's nothing sweeter than a three legged dog or dog in a wheelchair. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2015 #517

That's why I kept those dogs--no pain, they just had to adapt and they did fine at it. MADem Feb 2015 #518

The man's living is on the line!!! Boudica the Lyoness Feb 2015 #515

It isn't that people "love" that she got hit, but that some of us think that tblue37 Feb 2015 #99

I agree with you. polly7 Feb 2015 #107

I think it is TRAGIC that she got hit. MADem Feb 2015 #248

"I think it is TRAGIC that she got hit. That said, I'm not going to burn this guy at the stake." nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #546

Great post. nt raccoon Feb 2015 #367

+1. incredible. nt seabeyond Feb 2015 #268

Same old MRA boys... trumad Feb 2015 #278

and fan club. nt seabeyond Feb 2015 #280

Black man assaults white woman in Mississippi Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #68

A high school classmate of mine made it big in the music industry. Really big. hunter Feb 2015 #71

I spent a lot of time playing in bars hifiguy Feb 2015 #75

keyboard warriors...tough guys... trumad Feb 2015 #77

Here's another thing that I guess never happens to performers jberryhill Feb 2015 #80

you know some men get hard ons when they see a women get hit trumad Feb 2015 #82

I don't think he got a hard on jberryhill Feb 2015 #84

oh he didnt... trumad Feb 2015 #87

"this type of shit" jberryhill Feb 2015 #89

I'm a child of matriarchy... hunter Feb 2015 #166

So sez Du's biggest paper-tiger internet wannabe.... opiate69 Feb 2015 #108

the trumpets have blown and here they come... trumad Feb 2015 #110

"Here they come"?? opiate69 Feb 2015 #113

every group needs a leader. trumad Feb 2015 #115

Thank God I washed out as a Hollywood kid before kindergarten. hunter Feb 2015 #139

This message was self-deleted by its author hunter Feb 2015 #144

+1 Go Vols Feb 2015 #102

I wonder why her bodyguards didn't bother to get her out of the damned tblue37 Feb 2015 #105

Much more sober than I was, they probably had a clearer view of the situation, hunter Feb 2015 #161

She should have punched him for that horrible guitar work. PeteSelman Feb 2015 #106

I agree trumad Feb 2015 #111

I see ONE person repeatedly acting like a tough blustery jerk on this thread. nt Bonobo Feb 2015 #124

As usual, opiate69 Feb 2015 #129

The need to prove his "bonafides" as a "good man"... Bonobo Feb 2015 #133

You're late. trumad Feb 2015 #140

Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #148

Is that all you got? trumad Feb 2015 #150

Opiate, "You use to be have decent!" nt Bonobo Feb 2015 #155

LMAO! (I read your post first and was just a wee bit confuzzled) opiate69 Feb 2015 #160

opiate...bye bye trumad Feb 2015 #437

She's just rubbing up against him LittleBlue Feb 2015 #114

thank you. he should have stopped playing, left the stage and called security or police if ND-Dem Feb 2015 #206

+2 nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #547

Looks like he reacted before he had any idea who was there or what they were doing. Bonobo Feb 2015 #117

Take a look at the other videos in the thread jberryhill Feb 2015 #122

For all he knew, he was about to be knifed. Bonobo Feb 2015 #125

you 3 boys...so damn cute. trumad Feb 2015 #141

Exhibit A. Bonobo Feb 2015 #143

I wonder if it's some kind of sexual illness with the MBA types... trumad Feb 2015 #146

Yes, Masters of Business Administration are known for that. Bonobo Feb 2015 #151

I knew you'd agree.... trumad Feb 2015 #153

Here he is "defending himself" against another "sexual assault" Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2015 #135

If someone started rubbing their ass on mine without my permission I would definitely polly7 Feb 2015 #147

Id call myself lucky reddread Feb 2015 #159

Of course I didn't call the police. polly7 Feb 2015 #265

Yep. I agree with you... one_voice Feb 2015 #165

Wow, have you ever come across the concept of proportionality? Vattel Feb 2015 #182

That is the point missed by the the "Stand Your Stage" folks here. Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2015 #257

You don't have any legal right to beat someone who touches you or 'invades your space'. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #224

I edited my post... one_voice Feb 2015 #297

leg. reddread Feb 2015 #271

I *understand* why he reacted like that. I just think it was excessive. nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #548

This thread is bizarre. Vattel Feb 2015 #149

no 3 or 4 are defending this douchebag trumad Feb 2015 #152

wannabe rock stars reddread Feb 2015 #157

You are being rude and obstreperous. MADem Feb 2015 #223

Oh please. Widget2000 Feb 2015 #260

+ about a 1000 boston bean Feb 2015 #279

That's utter nonsense. MADem Feb 2015 #313

You bet. ronnie624 Feb 2015 #474

Not only defending but also 840high Feb 2015 #176

WTF? Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #266

considering he defends Zimmerman JI7 Feb 2015 #293

Well then.... Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #304

I'd like to see a link for that. Especially since you have a history of lying about such claims. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2015 #342

I don't defend Zimmerman. For all I know, he is a cold-blooded murderer. Vattel Feb 2015 #433

That's right. Anyone who thinks that the prosecution Vattel Feb 2015 #411

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2015 #402

Yes I am attacking Afroman because I am anti-black. Lol. What idiocy. Vattel Feb 2015 #412

Your comment about Obama was bizarrely out of left field ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2015 #414

lol, sorry, it was supposed to be a joke, but it misfired and did seem bizarre. Vattel Feb 2015 #415

Lol, don't be so sensitive. Vattel Feb 2015 #410

Your bizarre fixation Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #417

Come on, you got all sensitive on me. Just admit it and you will feel better. Vattel Feb 2015 #422

No Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #429

Okay, you win. Your reaction was so extreme Vattel Feb 2015 #432

I knew what you meant Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #434

What was stupid about it? Vattel Feb 2015 #438

You just demonstrated my point Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #440

Man, a little sidebar joke and I have a bizarre fixation. Vattel Feb 2015 #486

lol Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #488

What an idiot. cwydro Feb 2015 #156

where was security? Skittles Feb 2015 #163

I wonder what would have happened if roles were reversed. dilby Feb 2015 #173

Or if it was a white guy decking a black woman Bonx Feb 2015 #180

Interesting point. dilby Feb 2015 #189

No need to wonder Orrex Feb 2015 #198

Slapping or shoving him would be perfectly fine. Knocking him out might be a bit excessive. nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #549

I think that Foreman clearly overreacted and should face all appropriate penalties Orrex Feb 2015 #194

Thank you RandiFan1290 Feb 2015 #263

I recall your comments in that other thread. Orrex Feb 2015 #319

Linking to older DU posts is a common MRA tactic Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #321

Posting from your Obamaphone is a common MRA tactic Orrex Feb 2015 #322

Your sig promotes Etsy a hotbed of MRA activity Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #324

Whoa--it's worse than I thought! Orrex Feb 2015 #328

Pointing out common MRA tactics is a common MRA tactic. Dr. Strange Feb 2015 #360

Putting mayonnaise on everything you eat is a common MRA tactic Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #362

Chuggo is not an MRA--he's a CRA. Dr. Strange Feb 2015 #364

Did he spend Valentine's Day by the Lake Side? Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #365

Throwing one's hands toward your neck and wrapping them around, is a common MRA tactic. n/t nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #551

Do you have any argument to offer, other than "MRA, MRA, MRA?" PlanetaryOrbit Feb 2015 #452

Your accusations are typical of the MRA brigade Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #491

... nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #552

I think the charges probably should (and will) be dropped in this case as well. nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #550

if he truly was startled and scared wouldn't he have stopped playing ? JI7 Feb 2015 #197

Reacting like that is normal and even appropriate response to a threat. nt Bonobo Feb 2015 #203

it doesn't look like he felt threatened the way he just kept on playing JI7 Feb 2015 #209

Why would you conclude that? Bonobo Feb 2015 #212

he himself said he knew the girl was on stage and thought he punched a guy heckling him JI7 Feb 2015 #214

Yes, that's true. He said that. Bonobo Feb 2015 #215

"The threat was gone and he had a job to do." Widget2000 Feb 2015 #262

I'm always impressed by people who know what they would do in any spontaneous situation. Demit Feb 2015 #283

the "threat" being? a woman who's smaller than you bumping your butt with hers for 1 second? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #218

I didn't mean it was an actual threat. Bonobo Feb 2015 #220

he also said he saw the woman on stage. he didn't see the man. he just 'thought' the man. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #231

If a guy smaller than Taylor Swift "bumped her butt for one second" she should smile and MADem Feb 2015 #221

if taylor swift had 50 pounds on the guy, yeah, maybe she should. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #225

Yeah, maybe? Maybe? Not "Let the wheels of justice spin, bring the guilty bee word in?" MADem Feb 2015 #228

I don't know whose fault it is; if I were a performer, I would know who the security personnel ND-Dem Feb 2015 #232

Again--this guy doesn't make it a habit to clock women onstage--otherwise, we'd have heard about it MADem Feb 2015 #233

you don't know anything about his habits. so what if he has a security rider if he doesn't ND-Dem Feb 2015 #235

You certainly don't know anything about his habits, either. I do know that he doesn't MADem Feb 2015 #239

Unlike yourself, I made no claims about his habits. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #240

I think you might want to re-read your own posts. MADem Feb 2015 #246

I made no claims about his habits. None of the things you mention are habits, nor are most of ND-Dem Feb 2015 #306

Again--you need to re-read all your comments in this thread. You've tried, convicted and hanged the MADem Feb 2015 #310

"doesn't appear" "if" "he could have left the stage" etc. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #316

Try consolidating your comments in future. MADem Feb 2015 #334

thanks mom ND-Dem Feb 2015 #338

in addition: "apparently" it's not the first time he's hit a fan. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #323

The guy has been a musician since he was in the eighth grade. MADem Feb 2015 #333

... ND-Dem Feb 2015 #344

people have touched my butt advertently and inadvertently many times in 40+ years of ND-Dem Feb 2015 #423

Yes, of course--you kept playing that guitar and singing, I'm sure. MADem Feb 2015 #439

Because guitar players and singers are the only people who ever get their butts bumped. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #446

But we're not talking about other people--we're talking about one person. MADem Feb 2015 #466

believe what you like. your repetitive comments are snooze inducing. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #478

Look at this: Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2015 #447

That was kinda asshole-ish. Wonder why THAT didn't bother anyone. Bonobo Feb 2015 #448

I don't know about all that. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2015 #450

I just happen to differ with you on that interpretation. Bonobo Feb 2015 #451

He plays venues with lousy security. The "asshole" in your video left the stage in a hurry. MADem Feb 2015 #449

Lol. Ridiculous. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2015 #456

What's ridiculous is you thinking you can get inside this guy's head. MADem Feb 2015 #461

Lennon is a rare case where I *wish* someone else had had a gun. n/t nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #554

Lennon's death scared other performers, with good reason. MADem Feb 2015 #555

Yes, and as others have mentioned, there's also the Dimebag murder much more recently (2004): nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #556

So he is known for doing this, reacting violently to his fans? uppityperson Feb 2015 #453

Him being an ass... Bonobo Feb 2015 #455

His nonchalant actions afterwards were telling for me. Benefit of the doubt for the over reaction uppityperson Feb 2015 #457

I agree that his nonchalant attitude after... one_voice Feb 2015 #462

Yeah, I can't argue with you on that one. nt Bonobo Feb 2015 #465

That was just as bad as, if not worse than, the video in the OP. nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #553

My response is, Jenoch Feb 2015 #204

Performers do get attacked quite often. It's not unusual. So, 2 things folks should learn from this. Glassunion Feb 2015 #237

I couldn't agree with you more completley! Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2015 #261

Stay off the damn Stage kcdoug1 Feb 2015 #238

Jeez, if John Lennon had decked the creep who murdered him, John might be alive today. raccoon Feb 2015 #270

Invoking John Lennon is a well known MRA talking point. Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #281

Guilt by association logical fallacy. raccoon Feb 2015 #285

Claiming logical fallacies is another well known MRA talking point Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #291

You just did the "guilt by association" logical fallacy thing again. nt raccoon Feb 2015 #369

And there you go with typical MRA tactics again. nt Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #416

The captain is snarking at the posters who keep accusing MADem and others tblue37 Feb 2015 #406

Extremely disturbing video boston bean Feb 2015 #274

Sounds like you didn't listen to his apology and explanation. Did you? nt Bonobo Feb 2015 #275

reverse roles and you'll get the replies you want! snooper2 Feb 2015 #295

But this isn't about gender....! MADem Feb 2015 #387

that was disgusting samsingh Feb 2015 #282

NM. I see he went back to playing after knocking her out. Rex Feb 2015 #284

two words: BubbaFett Feb 2015 #287

Dumb move , Afroman Rhinodawg Feb 2015 #290

Fascinating how this played out... TreasonousBastard Feb 2015 #296

Nah---I see the MRA brigade hopping in and spouting exactly what you expect them to spout. trumad Feb 2015 #305

I didn't see much in the way of MRA... TreasonousBastard Feb 2015 #309

I think Afroman was clearly in the wrong, but you are obnoxious. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2015 #343

Someone is Grumpy trumad Feb 2015 #346

This message was self-deleted by its author Inkfreak Feb 2015 #489

I think you hit a home run with that post, and I would like to associate myself with your remarks! MADem Feb 2015 #397

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2015 #393

The number of people on DU that support violence against women is scary. DesMoinesDem Feb 2015 #311

Two dynamics here: performer reacts to stranger on stage (potential threat) KittyWampus Feb 2015 #341

what a shitstorm AngryAmish Feb 2015 #352

"one hit wonder..." like it would have been totally cool if it were someone else. dogknob Feb 2015 #357

Trumad, please leave this posting and stop being correct in your assumptions. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #361

Whether or not people think it was an over reaction, or warranted an arrest . . . markpkessinger Feb 2015 #396

For 402 replies, I'm giving you a REC! Dont call me Shirley Feb 2015 #403

430, 4 recs and only 1 hide. It is something! uppityperson Feb 2015 #430

This has got to be one of the most insane threads ever. Thanks for your sane contributions. Vattel Feb 2015 #492

i agree with u. it was not just a reflex Liberal_in_LA Feb 2015 #514

+2 nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #557

I'm more than satisifed that it was accident. rocktivity Feb 2015 #405

Me too. Actually, same thing happened to me at Kroger today. Bonx Feb 2015 #502

Lol treestar Feb 2015 #537

Venue says there was security ND-Dem Feb 2015 #484

Which is not surprising... BklnDem75 Feb 2015 #500

there was some, because there's video of people keeping the boyfriend from coming back on stage. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #506

I don't think anyone claimed there was zero security... BklnDem75 Feb 2015 #507

if they kept the boyfriend from coming back, they kept the boyfriend offstage in at least ND-Dem Feb 2015 #508

His girlfriend got cuffed... BklnDem75 Feb 2015 #510

it may be security wasn't in the room at the time. but there was security, and they were ND-Dem Feb 2015 #511

Isn't their job crowd control? BklnDem75 Feb 2015 #512

15 security for a crowd of five hundred drinking customers? Is that enough, I wonder? MADem Feb 2015 #519

Her action was wrong, but his was violent and criminal. Punching a female in the face? ISSUES. WinkyDink Feb 2015 #521

yes. we all get bumped. can i deck a person who bumps me inline at the store? Liberal_in_LA Feb 2015 #526

Yep. "Disproportionate force" is the key here. nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #558

Don't these concerts come with security? backscatter712 Feb 2015 #527

LOSING TOUR DATES After Punching Fan (UPDATE) uppityperson Feb 2015 #544