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291. Claiming logical fallacies is another well known MRA talking point

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woman gets on stage to dance behind performer, he punches her HARD!!! gets arrested [View all] Liberal_in_LA Feb 2015 OP

Usually, people who get high tend to be a bit more, shall we say, RELAXED. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #1

The clip is too short, but it looked to me like he was surprised by a person behind him... MADem Feb 2015 #6

That's what I was thinking too Go Vols Feb 2015 #9

Pretty much what I thought also. HappyMe Feb 2015 #10

After Dimebag Darryl, all bets are off. opiate69 Feb 2015 #11

Absolutely right melman Feb 2015 #61

Fucking tragedy, man. (nt) Inkfreak Feb 2015 #164

I still think it was an asshole move on Afroman's part, but I hadn't considered your point. nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #533

video below is little bit longer rollin74 Feb 2015 #16

Glad he got arrested, thanks for this longer video, WAY over reaction. uppityperson Feb 2015 #19

I don't get the impression that he's "beating a woman" there, either. MADem Feb 2015 #21

That's what it looks like to me jberryhill Feb 2015 #28

Riiight and when phil89 Feb 2015 #50

He's supposed to stop the performance the audience paid for... jberryhill Feb 2015 #51

what two crimes did she commit? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #92

Trespassing and battery jberryhill Feb 2015 #93

if someone trespasses on my property i'm still not allowed to beat them. nor am i legally allowed ND-Dem Feb 2015 #98

Given the frequency with which performers are assaulted onstage jberryhill Feb 2015 #119

youtube has dozens of videos of performers dancing with fans, even 'grinding' with fans, and ND-Dem Feb 2015 #126

screw em reddread Feb 2015 #127

well-said Vattel Feb 2015 #138

omg, now you suggest that people who are decent enough to Vattel Feb 2015 #137

I am appalled no matter the skin color of the assaulter. He was not assaulted, he assaulted her. uppityperson Feb 2015 #202

Fortunately... tonedevil Feb 2015 #116

Easy - Biloxi, Mississippi jberryhill Feb 2015 #118

keith richards didn't knock the guy to the ground or punch him in the head. keith richards ND-Dem Feb 2015 #123

Well, if you want to get all inhuman and technical about this, Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2015 #253

Interesting point - she did assault first treestar Feb 2015 #330

FUNNY how you're concentrating on HER alleged infractions. WinkyDink Feb 2015 #524

That's exactly what he's supposed to do tabasco Feb 2015 #383

"It's unfortunate she got hit. It's likewise unfortunate she...." "SHE GOT HIT"?? NO---HE HIT HER. WinkyDink Feb 2015 #523

Incredible that anyone would be defending him. Vattel Feb 2015 #136

Mind boggling and very sad tabasco Feb 2015 #384

I dunno, I think sometimes you need to open your mind up treestar Feb 2015 #505

+100 hey it's only a woman 840high Feb 2015 #169

Curious, what right does he have when she bumps him with her butt? Rex Feb 2015 #320

She is guilty at least of offensive touching treestar Feb 2015 #504

I understand that, but I meant in court is there some unwritten rule Rex Feb 2015 #509

If somebody slaps you in the face treestar Feb 2015 #516

"Equal force" is the key. Perhaps not according to the letter of the law, but still. nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #534

Ok thanks that was what I was wondering Rex Feb 2015 #559

With reasonable (proportionate) force. Ms. Toad Feb 2015 #471

She wasn't knocked out jberryhill Feb 2015 #477

The point is that his response was extremely excessive Ms. Toad Feb 2015 #487

He looked at her before she went around behind him. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2015 #44

I don't think he saw her at all jberryhill Feb 2015 #45

Wow you must be looking at a different video. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2015 #47

That's a two dimensional video jberryhill Feb 2015 #49

He looked right at her before he jawed her. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2015 #56

That was a fraction of a second jberryhill Feb 2015 #58

He saw her - look at the 2nd video. 840high Feb 2015 #170

he saw the woman before he decked her. then he saw he decked her and started playing again. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #91

Someone is stealing his wallet, on center stage with a crowd? Rex Feb 2015 #318

Now I understand you--you're a very literal individual. That explains a lot. MADem Feb 2015 #337

I do tend to take what I read literally, which is why I have a hard time with satire sometimes. Rex Feb 2015 #359

I'll bet he can't believe he did it, either. MADem Feb 2015 #371

I see the problem randys1 Feb 2015 #354

I've come to that conclusion too. +1000. polly7 Feb 2015 #363

I dont know if I would, and that he is hitting a Woman is especially annoying to me, randys1 Feb 2015 #370

I would, because I've been through it before, have been raped, have ptsd polly7 Feb 2015 #372

I would think he would show something other than that blatant disregard afterwards though. uppityperson Feb 2015 #380

Yes, that bothers me too. polly7 Feb 2015 #382

particularly as he knocked her head into the bandstand riser, something which could ND-Dem Feb 2015 #460

I agree. Yes, he should have stopped and helped her. nt. polly7 Feb 2015 #463

This. If his reaction had been one of astonishment and horror, I'd cut him some slack. nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #535

I am not a fan of men hitting women either. MADem Feb 2015 #381

True. No one should hit anyone else, except in self-defense. nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #536

Wow! That dude's an A-hole! Owl Feb 2015 #162

Wow- he needs to cool off in jail. 840high Feb 2015 #168

WTH? Just by looking at the STILL above, one can OBSERVE that he had time to assess and STOP. WinkyDink Feb 2015 #522

No, you can't observe that by looking at the still. nt MADem Feb 2015 #528

It depends on what he was high on and R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #24

That might depend 2naSalit Feb 2015 #67

looks like he didn't like some random ass rubbing against his snooper2 Feb 2015 #2

sad thing is that she was obviously a fan of his music Liberal_in_LA Feb 2015 #3

And thought that meant she could do what she wanted with him? Demit Feb 2015 #30

Does that mean he could lay 840high Feb 2015 #172

No. Demit Feb 2015 #272

not anymore i'm pretty sure. nor her friend that went after her (after making sure the ND-Dem Feb 2015 #101

WTF ??? SamKnause Feb 2015 #4

I know! he could have killed her with a head shot like that. Liberal_in_LA Feb 2015 #7

Well, according to some people on this thread, "Oh well, she shouldn't have commited trespass and Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2015 #254

hmm, there *is* a similarity there. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #312

Not taking into account that there's such a thing as grossly overreacting to a "threat." nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #538

Holy shit, fuck that guy!! PeaceNikki Feb 2015 #5

Looks more like a slap than a punch, but the effect is pretty much the same derby378 Feb 2015 #8

He wasn't getting your money before this I'd gather Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #13

I'll offer him ten bucks for his Strat derby378 Feb 2015 #18

I dunno--he might have a case, she was trespassing on the stage, in essence, and MADem Feb 2015 #22

"Clearly, the guy didn't intentionally hit that woman" Bonx Feb 2015 #62

It was an accident? Vattel Feb 2015 #142

See his TMZ comments at the link at 185. He thought she was a guy who had been yelling MADem Feb 2015 #186

He did not intentionally hit her? His perception was that something else was going on? Vattel Feb 2015 #158

Why are you responding to the same post over and over again? MADem Feb 2015 #188

Is twice over and over again? I have heard his side of the story. It doesn't help him much. Vattel Feb 2015 #200

Yes--twice is over, and over again. MADem Feb 2015 #230

Lol, you have unusually low standards for over and over again. Vattel Feb 2015 #392

This was an accident, IMO. And I don't need to be a judge--this guy will not do any time. MADem Feb 2015 #395

If he believed that he was endangered, which I highly doubt, his belief was unreasonable. Vattel Feb 2015 #407

Says you. MADem Feb 2015 #467

she must be a judge, she's already telling us what his judicial outcomes will be. repeatedly. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #424

Black man hit white Woman (is she white?) randys1 Feb 2015 #355

what? and if you don't know whether she's white or not, what does not knowing that ND-Dem Feb 2015 #425

LOL randys1 Feb 2015 #426

nothing but that little rofl guy; used when people have nothing interesting to say and no real ND-Dem Feb 2015 #427

My observation was sarcastic, while I was posting I looked to see if she was white, because randys1 Feb 2015 #428

you can say that all you like; doesn't mean it's true. nor does it mean you know what any- ND-Dem Feb 2015 #431

He played a venue called Main Street last year in my hometown. cheapdate Feb 2015 #112

never never sneak up behind THAT guy. sheesh! Liberal_in_LA Feb 2015 #120

She was gonna dance next to him Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #12

Hmmmm.... Adrahil Feb 2015 #14

Much too strong a reaction, but the stage is for the performers. MineralMan Feb 2015 #15

+100 nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #539

What an asshole. Jamastiene Feb 2015 #17

If there had been any real security, she wouldn't have MineralMan Feb 2015 #20

I'm betting if stage security wasn't in his performance rider before, it is now. MADem Feb 2015 #23

Yup. No security at all. The woman was on stage for some time, MineralMan Feb 2015 #25

There was a guy on the side of the stage who was giving him a hard time--he thought she was he. MADem Feb 2015 #191

"Involuntary reflex reaction." What a load of shit. Vattel Feb 2015 #167

Well, that's not what he said to TMZ. MADem Feb 2015 #185

watch the long video; he saw her dancing on stage before he decked her. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #187

I watched both videos and I'm not convinced he saw her. I am convinced he saw something and felt MADem Feb 2015 #195

He explains quite well in the TMZ video. Bonobo Feb 2015 #199

I agree. bravenak Feb 2015 #336

+1 one_voice Feb 2015 #366

+1000. polly7 Feb 2015 #368

watch it again. there'd be cheers for the woman because she was weaker than the man. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #201

That's just absurd. He's focusing on PLAYING. MADem Feb 2015 #207

he doesn't appear to feel bad at all in the video. he may have been being heckled by a man ND-Dem Feb 2015 #211

He certainly does in the TMZ video. MADem Feb 2015 #217

he admitted he saw her. yeah, he said he "thought" she left and some guy got on stage. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #222

Your argument lacks logic. Where was the upside to him beating on a woman during a performance? MADem Feb 2015 #226

It was just a few seconds from the time he adjusted his mike to the time he decked her. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #234

What was the upside to him going over and clocking this woman he supposedly recognized? MADem Feb 2015 #236

It's a proxy war. Bonobo Feb 2015 #242

Sadly, I think you're right about that! MADem Feb 2015 #244

After reading that he thought it was the man heckling him, polly7 Feb 2015 #273

I think there will be an equitable resolution to all this. MADem Feb 2015 #298

I hope there will be too, and I agree. polly7 Feb 2015 #315

if there was no security, who escorted him off the stage? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #325

Why do you think it was security? MADem Feb 2015 #331

no, i don't know. unlike some here. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #340

TMZ is ALWAYS accurate, and if you don't know who they are you are living in a cave. MADem Feb 2015 #375

My you're touchy. I'd never heard of it, let alone that it was a 'gossip' site. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #421

I'm not touchy--you're just not informed. MADem Feb 2015 #441

Friends, fellow band members? Crew? polly7 Feb 2015 #332

i don't. i'm asking. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #339

it was a second or two from the time he adjusted his mike to the time he knocked her down. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #303

He was playing the guitar and focusing on that--his eyes were not on the person behind him. MADem Feb 2015 #308

It was exactly 13 seconds from moving the mike to knocking her out, and once he saw he ND-Dem Feb 2015 #314

You would think it he cared, he would've checked on her after that punch. uppityperson Feb 2015 #351

He said--and I believe him--that he thought both women left the stage. MADem Feb 2015 #378

Did he continue to believe that once he knocked her to the floor? You're saying he didn't ND-Dem Feb 2015 #420

Why don't you ask him? Get on his twitter feed and go for it! nt MADem Feb 2015 #443

i asked you if you were making that claim. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #480

You missed my point if you think his being a musician rather than a basketball player is relevant. Vattel Feb 2015 #196

If someone comes up behind me and grabs my ass I'm going to react, too. MADem Feb 2015 #210

You again miss my point. What I argued was a load of shit Vattel Feb 2015 #216

If someone came up behind me and grabbed me I would HIT THEM. MADem Feb 2015 #219

She didn't grab him. If someone bumps into me or even grabs me I do not haul off and hit them. Vattel Feb 2015 #388

It doesn't matter if she assaulted him with her hand or her ass or her shod foot--SHE MADem Feb 2015 #391

She acted foolishly but not in a brutal, disgusting fashion. Vattel Feb 2015 #408

She shouldn't have been on that stage at all, acting foolishly or otherwise. MADem Feb 2015 #445

If your butt gets bumped at work, your reaction is to punch the person in the face? Where do you uppityperson Feb 2015 #345

What do you do when a dude rubs his ass on you? Orrex Feb 2015 #347

Tell them not to, walk away, report it to the supervisor, have security help me uppityperson Feb 2015 #348

I believe you. Do you suppose that every woman would or should react that way? Orrex Feb 2015 #349

I believe this guy acted inappropriately and should be prosecuted and suffer the consequences of his uppityperson Feb 2015 #350

I agree with that as well--I made a similar point earlier in the thread. Orrex Feb 2015 #353

I would charge her with assault also. The disproproportionate reaction and (if in her case as in uppityperson Feb 2015 #356

Again, I agree. Orrex Feb 2015 #358

probably only if the woman had 50 pounds on the man and could be reasonably sure of knocking ND-Dem Feb 2015 #458

You realize that you're advocating in favor of sexual assault, of course. Orrex Feb 2015 #469

huh? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #476

Nicely done! MADem Feb 2015 #495

I don't work any longer--I enjoy a robust retirement. That said, MADem Feb 2015 #373

I don't care the gender or skin color of the people, the response here was overwhelmingly awful uppityperson Feb 2015 #374

Oh please--this is ALL about gender, and with some, it's all about ethnicity, too. MADem Feb 2015 #377

Are you calling me a liar? He responded disproportionately and showed blatant disregard for her uppityperson Feb 2015 #379

I'm saying your opinion is not controlling. MADem Feb 2015 #385

OK, you are calling me a liar. Done with you uppityperson Feb 2015 #386

One more time--I'm telling you that YOUR OPINION IS NOT CONTROLLING. MADem Feb 2015 #389

I tell you what I believe, you tell me I don't believe that. uppityperson Feb 2015 #390

I thought you were done? Your opinion is not controlling. That's what I said. MADem Feb 2015 #394

Here are my and your words, copy pasted. uppityperson Feb 2015 #399

I'll say it again--your opinion is not controlling. MADem Feb 2015 #400

I certainly have no desire to control you in any way. uppityperson Feb 2015 #401

I think you do. MADem Feb 2015 #404

And there you go again. Telling me I don't mean what I say I mean. uppityperson Feb 2015 #409

Hey--you have a nice day, now! MADem Feb 2015 #444

the performer wasn't physically harmed by any 'assault'. the fan was. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #459

Thank you for that opinion, Doctor Freud! MADem Feb 2015 #464

yes, the harm to his precious psyche is every bit as real as punching someone so hard their ND-Dem Feb 2015 #479

There's no sense in continuing this back-n-forth. MADem Feb 2015 #481

you haven't used character assassination or denigrating language? the person who ND-Dem Feb 2015 #482

You have one of those REAL nice days, now! MADem Feb 2015 #483

+1000 Vattel Feb 2015 #413

"Excepting full responsibility"? Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2015 #26

unless that's exactly what he meant lame54 Feb 2015 #33

Gee, maybe "dude" didn't have the benefit of a private education, or even one in a good school MADem Feb 2015 #213

Fuck your apologies, Joseph. Do your time. Iggo Feb 2015 #27

You allow trespassers to come up behind you and touch you without your consent? jberryhill Feb 2015 #32

If someone bumps into me from behind, I don't haul off and smack them, if that's what you mean. Iggo Feb 2015 #34

Performers are frequently attacked onstage jberryhill Feb 2015 #39

If you come up from behind me and bump into me and I turn around and clock you, I'm going to jail... Iggo Feb 2015 #43

As if no hiphop or rap performer has ever been violently attacked jberryhill Feb 2015 #48

Frequently attacked. Those words don't mean what you think they mean. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2015 #493

She did not "bump", she was grinding her ass into him... Drahthaardogs Feb 2015 #66

Ass-grinding-against still doesn't warrant getting slugged. Iggo Feb 2015 #94

I will bear this in mind should you ever be surprised jberryhill Feb 2015 #96

You do that. Iggo Feb 2015 #97

Oh yeah, he way overreacted. He could have just pushed her away Drahthaardogs Feb 2015 #104

None of that excuses his hitting her. Iggo Feb 2015 #121

You typically beat people who touch you without asking permission first? really? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #109

Are you aware that a previous discussion on DU endorsed exactly that practice? Orrex Feb 2015 #317

i don't think i participated in that one. if it's one about women being allowed to hit men for ND-Dem Feb 2015 #326

Thank you. That's my feeling as well. (nt) Orrex Feb 2015 #329

A bit melodramatic--and mocking of someone without benefit of a good education, that comment. MADem Feb 2015 #302

Peformers are often attacked on stage jberryhill Feb 2015 #29

that's what security is for shanti Feb 2015 #35

There was no security jberryhill Feb 2015 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Feb 2015 #72

Take a look at the other videos in this thread jberryhill Feb 2015 #73

... ND-Dem Feb 2015 #130

... opiate69 Feb 2015 #134

Yeah, that's a very similar case to this one. In one, girl with plastic glass in hand, ND-Dem Feb 2015 #178

If you don't think that incident I posted changed forever the way performers view "their stage"... opiate69 Feb 2015 #179

what year was that incident? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #190

Prior to the current year....it's kinda how "changes" work.... opiate69 Feb 2015 #192

what year, exactly? since you say it started a new paradigm. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #208

December 2004. nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #541

I immediately thought of Monica Seles--who was STABBED by someone tblue37 Feb 2015 #85

No, performers should wait around to figure out what the person's intentions are jberryhill Feb 2015 #95

Here's another... opiate69 Feb 2015 #36

Maynard is not a scary black man jberryhill Feb 2015 #41

Bingo. opiate69 Feb 2015 #42

Yep. hunter Feb 2015 #69

Wow, that music is awful! TransitJohn Feb 2015 #177

Hands down, the absolute best band I've ever seen live... opiate69 Feb 2015 #183

It sounds pretty boring TransitJohn Feb 2015 #229

I watched the vid w/o sound, so I can't comment on this band's music, however, Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2015 #255

"Straightforward rock. Not much playfulness with melody or time signature." cleanhippie Feb 2015 #327

It's boring TransitJohn Feb 2015 #436

You said "Straightforward rock. Not much playfulness with melody or time signature." cleanhippie Feb 2015 #501

If you say so. TransitJohn Feb 2015 #525

Honestly, their stuff is only "complex" relative to most 3-chord mainstream rock. nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #542

OMG! I love the way he kept singing treestar Feb 2015 #503

And none of those performers actually punched the person out, from what I could see. nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #540

"And now I'm gonna go to jail, and I know why!" chrisa Feb 2015 #31

Unlikely. He bonded out for the grand sum of three hundred and thirty dollars. MADem Feb 2015 #249

Overreaction for sure madville Feb 2015 #37

I will bet that's what is going to happen if there isn't some sort of agreement early on. MADem Feb 2015 #252

Keith Richards helped a fan off stage once: winstars Feb 2015 #38

No problem, he's white... no charge jberryhill Feb 2015 #46

the most amazing moment on stage ever! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #57

if he 'clocked' him, why was the guy able to keep running? why didn't he fall to the ground ND-Dem Feb 2015 #131

Oh good grief! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #132

I consider knocking someone out and to the ground as something different from whatever ND-Dem Feb 2015 #171

of course what he did was different: Solomon Feb 2015 #264

right. it's because he's black, not because he knocked someone smaller out and to the ground, ND-Dem Feb 2015 #300

Where is the poster saying that what Keith did here is equivalent in outcome? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #419

Keith talking about this incident many years later, "I watched my mans back!!!" winstars Feb 2015 #418

That's almost exactly the same as this Bonx Feb 2015 #60

Funny that the male fan wasn't knocked to the ground unconscious like the woman this guy ND-Dem Feb 2015 #128

Doesn't seem like he clobbered the guy hard enough to actually injure him. nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #543

What the fuck , low life scum hitting women glasshouses Feb 2015 #52

Assholes. stone space Feb 2015 #53

Not just fans... read the thread glasshouses Feb 2015 #59

of course they are... trumad Feb 2015 #78

and loaded with one sided opinions, if some ugly white dude started grinding against Rhianna snooper2 Feb 2015 #288

I'm not sure why MRA douchebags are so fucked up... trumad Feb 2015 #289

The people you are trying to impress here may get offended by your continual use of "douche" snooper2 Feb 2015 #292

No---there's plenty to go after here. trumad Feb 2015 #294

you live in a weird world LOL snooper2 Feb 2015 #299

Why do I need a cape? I'm not rescuing anyone. trumad Feb 2015 #301

Oh it is just fun pointing out hypocrisy snooper2 Feb 2015 #307

I am not sure that falsely accusing people of being MRA is the same as Gore1FL Feb 2015 #398

Message deleted by DU the Administrators sibelian Feb 2015 #376

OK post the links with me assaulting my wife trumad Feb 2015 #435

Deleted them, have you? sibelian Feb 2015 #442

Nothing to delete... trumad Feb 2015 #485

still waiting for the links. trumad Feb 2015 #513

still waiting for the linkso liar trumad Feb 2015 #520

Are you gonna post links? taterguy Feb 2015 #529

He pulled it out of his ass... trumad Feb 2015 #530

For once we can agree on something taterguy Feb 2015 #531

LOL trumad Feb 2015 #532

Basic decency trumps whatever disagreements we've had in the past taterguy Feb 2015 #560

And making it about race to boot! CANDO Feb 2015 #145

Me2 840high Feb 2015 #174

He should be white, like Pitbull jberryhill Feb 2015 #54

So how did he address this? thucythucy Feb 2015 #55

Hey, that was in my home town! stone space Feb 2015 #64

dylan should have had his security deck them. they obviously wanted to do him harm. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #181

He should have known that very instant... thucythucy Feb 2015 #269

Some of the posters in this thread obviously love it... trumad Feb 2015 #63

Yep. Must like seeing a woman get what "she deserved" Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2015 #65

MRA brigade. trumad Feb 2015 #70

Lol, yeah jberryhill Feb 2015 #74

You don't have a guilty conscious do you? trumad Feb 2015 #76

How frequently DO you rub your ass against strangers without their consent? jberryhill Feb 2015 #79

uh huh... trumad Feb 2015 #81

They most certainly would be sick little fuckers jberryhill Feb 2015 #83

you know some men play games when disguising their love trumad Feb 2015 #86

Okay, so... jberryhill Feb 2015 #88

ok...I've had fun with you... trumad Feb 2015 #90

after you rubbed your ass on him? reddread Feb 2015 #154

Yeah - make it all about race. 840high Feb 2015 #175

Oh brother. Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #227

Why should I? It's stupid. 840high Feb 2015 #241

Actually Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #286

You can't possibly be this obtuse. Widget2000 Feb 2015 #259

He wasn't in a crowd on a subway. Why would he be expecting to get his ass rubbed just polly7 Feb 2015 #267

Don't get worked up with the MRA brigade. trumad Feb 2015 #277

I am a woman and a committed feminist. But I still think that performers have good reasons tblue37 Feb 2015 #100

That's fine... trumad Feb 2015 #103

If he was so scared, why didn't he have security? Not to mention that the woman was on ND-Dem Feb 2015 #193

Even if he knew she was there before, he might not have known tblue37 Feb 2015 #276

I'm more concerned with his reaction immediately after decking her. nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #545

... Widget2000 Feb 2015 #258

Because pickpockets always do their dirty work in front of audiences with drink glasses in hand. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #184

That's the best time to pick pockets - Boudica the Lyoness Feb 2015 #243

Sadly, yes, I think most of them would be OK with that. Notice the same rote Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2015 #256

He was also being harassed by a guy in the same general vicinity. MADem Feb 2015 #205

I'm not even sure she even touched him Boudica the Lyoness Feb 2015 #245

From the Vine loop it looks as if she did. nt MADem Feb 2015 #247

Yeah, but are we talking bumped him or grinded? Boudica the Lyoness Feb 2015 #250

It doesn't really matter. MADem Feb 2015 #251

The punch could have ended up being a fatal one. Boudica the Lyoness Feb 2015 #335

Yes... and the woman "could have" pulled out a knife and stabbed the artist. MADem Feb 2015 #454

He saw her - noted her sex - and then he hit her. Boudica the Lyoness Feb 2015 #468

Wow. Facts don't matter at all to you, I guess? MADem Feb 2015 #470

I think you may have outdone yourself on this thread. ronnie624 Feb 2015 #472

Names will never hurt me! MADem Feb 2015 #473

It's late, I'm bored ronnie624 Feb 2015 #475

"He came right out and apologized" Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2015 #490

For $330. Which is a rather low bond. MADem Feb 2015 #494

Yeah. I saw that. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2015 #496

Your opinion is noted. MADem Feb 2015 #497

No, you listen here, bub. I'm the decider!!!! Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2015 #498

Wish I'd known you back then! If you'd ever found those booties, I had feet for them! MADem Feb 2015 #499

Aww. There's nothing sweeter than a three legged dog or dog in a wheelchair. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2015 #517

That's why I kept those dogs--no pain, they just had to adapt and they did fine at it. MADem Feb 2015 #518

The man's living is on the line!!! Boudica the Lyoness Feb 2015 #515

It isn't that people "love" that she got hit, but that some of us think that tblue37 Feb 2015 #99

I agree with you. polly7 Feb 2015 #107

I think it is TRAGIC that she got hit. MADem Feb 2015 #248

"I think it is TRAGIC that she got hit. That said, I'm not going to burn this guy at the stake." nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #546

Great post. nt raccoon Feb 2015 #367

+1. incredible. nt seabeyond Feb 2015 #268

Same old MRA boys... trumad Feb 2015 #278

and fan club. nt seabeyond Feb 2015 #280

Black man assaults white woman in Mississippi Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #68

A high school classmate of mine made it big in the music industry. Really big. hunter Feb 2015 #71

I spent a lot of time playing in bars hifiguy Feb 2015 #75

keyboard warriors...tough guys... trumad Feb 2015 #77

Here's another thing that I guess never happens to performers jberryhill Feb 2015 #80

you know some men get hard ons when they see a women get hit trumad Feb 2015 #82

I don't think he got a hard on jberryhill Feb 2015 #84

oh he didnt... trumad Feb 2015 #87

"this type of shit" jberryhill Feb 2015 #89

I'm a child of matriarchy... hunter Feb 2015 #166

So sez Du's biggest paper-tiger internet wannabe.... opiate69 Feb 2015 #108

the trumpets have blown and here they come... trumad Feb 2015 #110

"Here they come"?? opiate69 Feb 2015 #113

every group needs a leader. trumad Feb 2015 #115

Thank God I washed out as a Hollywood kid before kindergarten. hunter Feb 2015 #139

This message was self-deleted by its author hunter Feb 2015 #144

+1 Go Vols Feb 2015 #102

I wonder why her bodyguards didn't bother to get her out of the damned tblue37 Feb 2015 #105

Much more sober than I was, they probably had a clearer view of the situation, hunter Feb 2015 #161

She should have punched him for that horrible guitar work. PeteSelman Feb 2015 #106

I agree trumad Feb 2015 #111

I see ONE person repeatedly acting like a tough blustery jerk on this thread. nt Bonobo Feb 2015 #124

As usual, opiate69 Feb 2015 #129

The need to prove his "bonafides" as a "good man"... Bonobo Feb 2015 #133

You're late. trumad Feb 2015 #140

Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #148

Is that all you got? trumad Feb 2015 #150

Opiate, "You use to be have decent!" nt Bonobo Feb 2015 #155

LMAO! (I read your post first and was just a wee bit confuzzled) opiate69 Feb 2015 #160

opiate...bye bye trumad Feb 2015 #437

She's just rubbing up against him LittleBlue Feb 2015 #114

thank you. he should have stopped playing, left the stage and called security or police if ND-Dem Feb 2015 #206

+2 nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #547

Looks like he reacted before he had any idea who was there or what they were doing. Bonobo Feb 2015 #117

Take a look at the other videos in the thread jberryhill Feb 2015 #122

For all he knew, he was about to be knifed. Bonobo Feb 2015 #125

you 3 boys...so damn cute. trumad Feb 2015 #141

Exhibit A. Bonobo Feb 2015 #143

I wonder if it's some kind of sexual illness with the MBA types... trumad Feb 2015 #146

Yes, Masters of Business Administration are known for that. Bonobo Feb 2015 #151

I knew you'd agree.... trumad Feb 2015 #153

Here he is "defending himself" against another "sexual assault" Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2015 #135

If someone started rubbing their ass on mine without my permission I would definitely polly7 Feb 2015 #147

Id call myself lucky reddread Feb 2015 #159

Of course I didn't call the police. polly7 Feb 2015 #265

Yep. I agree with you... one_voice Feb 2015 #165

Wow, have you ever come across the concept of proportionality? Vattel Feb 2015 #182

That is the point missed by the the "Stand Your Stage" folks here. Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2015 #257

You don't have any legal right to beat someone who touches you or 'invades your space'. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #224

I edited my post... one_voice Feb 2015 #297

leg. reddread Feb 2015 #271

I *understand* why he reacted like that. I just think it was excessive. nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #548

This thread is bizarre. Vattel Feb 2015 #149

no 3 or 4 are defending this douchebag trumad Feb 2015 #152

wannabe rock stars reddread Feb 2015 #157

You are being rude and obstreperous. MADem Feb 2015 #223

Oh please. Widget2000 Feb 2015 #260

+ about a 1000 boston bean Feb 2015 #279

That's utter nonsense. MADem Feb 2015 #313

You bet. ronnie624 Feb 2015 #474

Not only defending but also 840high Feb 2015 #176

WTF? Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #266

considering he defends Zimmerman JI7 Feb 2015 #293

Well then.... Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #304

I'd like to see a link for that. Especially since you have a history of lying about such claims. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2015 #342

I don't defend Zimmerman. For all I know, he is a cold-blooded murderer. Vattel Feb 2015 #433

That's right. Anyone who thinks that the prosecution Vattel Feb 2015 #411

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2015 #402

Yes I am attacking Afroman because I am anti-black. Lol. What idiocy. Vattel Feb 2015 #412

Your comment about Obama was bizarrely out of left field ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2015 #414

lol, sorry, it was supposed to be a joke, but it misfired and did seem bizarre. Vattel Feb 2015 #415

Lol, don't be so sensitive. Vattel Feb 2015 #410

Your bizarre fixation Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #417

Come on, you got all sensitive on me. Just admit it and you will feel better. Vattel Feb 2015 #422

No Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #429

Okay, you win. Your reaction was so extreme Vattel Feb 2015 #432

I knew what you meant Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #434

What was stupid about it? Vattel Feb 2015 #438

You just demonstrated my point Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #440

Man, a little sidebar joke and I have a bizarre fixation. Vattel Feb 2015 #486

lol Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #488

What an idiot. cwydro Feb 2015 #156

where was security? Skittles Feb 2015 #163

I wonder what would have happened if roles were reversed. dilby Feb 2015 #173

Or if it was a white guy decking a black woman Bonx Feb 2015 #180

Interesting point. dilby Feb 2015 #189

No need to wonder Orrex Feb 2015 #198

Slapping or shoving him would be perfectly fine. Knocking him out might be a bit excessive. nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #549

I think that Foreman clearly overreacted and should face all appropriate penalties Orrex Feb 2015 #194

Thank you RandiFan1290 Feb 2015 #263

I recall your comments in that other thread. Orrex Feb 2015 #319

Linking to older DU posts is a common MRA tactic Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #321

Posting from your Obamaphone is a common MRA tactic Orrex Feb 2015 #322

Your sig promotes Etsy a hotbed of MRA activity Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #324

Whoa--it's worse than I thought! Orrex Feb 2015 #328

Pointing out common MRA tactics is a common MRA tactic. Dr. Strange Feb 2015 #360

Putting mayonnaise on everything you eat is a common MRA tactic Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #362

Chuggo is not an MRA--he's a CRA. Dr. Strange Feb 2015 #364

Did he spend Valentine's Day by the Lake Side? Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #365

Throwing one's hands toward your neck and wrapping them around, is a common MRA tactic. n/t nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #551

Do you have any argument to offer, other than "MRA, MRA, MRA?" PlanetaryOrbit Feb 2015 #452

Your accusations are typical of the MRA brigade Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #491

... nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #552

I think the charges probably should (and will) be dropped in this case as well. nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #550

if he truly was startled and scared wouldn't he have stopped playing ? JI7 Feb 2015 #197

Reacting like that is normal and even appropriate response to a threat. nt Bonobo Feb 2015 #203

it doesn't look like he felt threatened the way he just kept on playing JI7 Feb 2015 #209

Why would you conclude that? Bonobo Feb 2015 #212

he himself said he knew the girl was on stage and thought he punched a guy heckling him JI7 Feb 2015 #214

Yes, that's true. He said that. Bonobo Feb 2015 #215

"The threat was gone and he had a job to do." Widget2000 Feb 2015 #262

I'm always impressed by people who know what they would do in any spontaneous situation. Demit Feb 2015 #283

the "threat" being? a woman who's smaller than you bumping your butt with hers for 1 second? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #218

I didn't mean it was an actual threat. Bonobo Feb 2015 #220

he also said he saw the woman on stage. he didn't see the man. he just 'thought' the man. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #231

If a guy smaller than Taylor Swift "bumped her butt for one second" she should smile and MADem Feb 2015 #221

if taylor swift had 50 pounds on the guy, yeah, maybe she should. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #225

Yeah, maybe? Maybe? Not "Let the wheels of justice spin, bring the guilty bee word in?" MADem Feb 2015 #228

I don't know whose fault it is; if I were a performer, I would know who the security personnel ND-Dem Feb 2015 #232

Again--this guy doesn't make it a habit to clock women onstage--otherwise, we'd have heard about it MADem Feb 2015 #233

you don't know anything about his habits. so what if he has a security rider if he doesn't ND-Dem Feb 2015 #235

You certainly don't know anything about his habits, either. I do know that he doesn't MADem Feb 2015 #239

Unlike yourself, I made no claims about his habits. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #240

I think you might want to re-read your own posts. MADem Feb 2015 #246

I made no claims about his habits. None of the things you mention are habits, nor are most of ND-Dem Feb 2015 #306

Again--you need to re-read all your comments in this thread. You've tried, convicted and hanged the MADem Feb 2015 #310

"doesn't appear" "if" "he could have left the stage" etc. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #316

Try consolidating your comments in future. MADem Feb 2015 #334

thanks mom ND-Dem Feb 2015 #338

in addition: "apparently" it's not the first time he's hit a fan. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #323

The guy has been a musician since he was in the eighth grade. MADem Feb 2015 #333

... ND-Dem Feb 2015 #344

people have touched my butt advertently and inadvertently many times in 40+ years of ND-Dem Feb 2015 #423

Yes, of course--you kept playing that guitar and singing, I'm sure. MADem Feb 2015 #439

Because guitar players and singers are the only people who ever get their butts bumped. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #446

But we're not talking about other people--we're talking about one person. MADem Feb 2015 #466

believe what you like. your repetitive comments are snooze inducing. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #478

Look at this: Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2015 #447

That was kinda asshole-ish. Wonder why THAT didn't bother anyone. Bonobo Feb 2015 #448

I don't know about all that. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2015 #450

I just happen to differ with you on that interpretation. Bonobo Feb 2015 #451

He plays venues with lousy security. The "asshole" in your video left the stage in a hurry. MADem Feb 2015 #449

Lol. Ridiculous. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2015 #456

What's ridiculous is you thinking you can get inside this guy's head. MADem Feb 2015 #461

Lennon is a rare case where I *wish* someone else had had a gun. n/t nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #554

Lennon's death scared other performers, with good reason. MADem Feb 2015 #555

Yes, and as others have mentioned, there's also the Dimebag murder much more recently (2004): nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #556

So he is known for doing this, reacting violently to his fans? uppityperson Feb 2015 #453

Him being an ass... Bonobo Feb 2015 #455

His nonchalant actions afterwards were telling for me. Benefit of the doubt for the over reaction uppityperson Feb 2015 #457

I agree that his nonchalant attitude after... one_voice Feb 2015 #462

Yeah, I can't argue with you on that one. nt Bonobo Feb 2015 #465

That was just as bad as, if not worse than, the video in the OP. nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #553

My response is, Jenoch Feb 2015 #204

Performers do get attacked quite often. It's not unusual. So, 2 things folks should learn from this. Glassunion Feb 2015 #237

I couldn't agree with you more completley! Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2015 #261

Stay off the damn Stage kcdoug1 Feb 2015 #238

Jeez, if John Lennon had decked the creep who murdered him, John might be alive today. raccoon Feb 2015 #270

Invoking John Lennon is a well known MRA talking point. Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #281

Guilt by association logical fallacy. raccoon Feb 2015 #285

Claiming logical fallacies is another well known MRA talking point Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #291

You just did the "guilt by association" logical fallacy thing again. nt raccoon Feb 2015 #369

And there you go with typical MRA tactics again. nt Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #416

The captain is snarking at the posters who keep accusing MADem and others tblue37 Feb 2015 #406

Extremely disturbing video boston bean Feb 2015 #274

Sounds like you didn't listen to his apology and explanation. Did you? nt Bonobo Feb 2015 #275

reverse roles and you'll get the replies you want! snooper2 Feb 2015 #295

But this isn't about gender....! MADem Feb 2015 #387

that was disgusting samsingh Feb 2015 #282

NM. I see he went back to playing after knocking her out. Rex Feb 2015 #284

two words: BubbaFett Feb 2015 #287

Dumb move , Afroman Rhinodawg Feb 2015 #290

Fascinating how this played out... TreasonousBastard Feb 2015 #296

Nah---I see the MRA brigade hopping in and spouting exactly what you expect them to spout. trumad Feb 2015 #305

I didn't see much in the way of MRA... TreasonousBastard Feb 2015 #309

I think Afroman was clearly in the wrong, but you are obnoxious. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2015 #343

Someone is Grumpy trumad Feb 2015 #346

This message was self-deleted by its author Inkfreak Feb 2015 #489

I think you hit a home run with that post, and I would like to associate myself with your remarks! MADem Feb 2015 #397

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2015 #393

The number of people on DU that support violence against women is scary. DesMoinesDem Feb 2015 #311

Two dynamics here: performer reacts to stranger on stage (potential threat) KittyWampus Feb 2015 #341

what a shitstorm AngryAmish Feb 2015 #352

"one hit wonder..." like it would have been totally cool if it were someone else. dogknob Feb 2015 #357

Trumad, please leave this posting and stop being correct in your assumptions. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #361

Whether or not people think it was an over reaction, or warranted an arrest . . . markpkessinger Feb 2015 #396

For 402 replies, I'm giving you a REC! Dont call me Shirley Feb 2015 #403

430, 4 recs and only 1 hide. It is something! uppityperson Feb 2015 #430

This has got to be one of the most insane threads ever. Thanks for your sane contributions. Vattel Feb 2015 #492

i agree with u. it was not just a reflex Liberal_in_LA Feb 2015 #514

+2 nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #557

I'm more than satisifed that it was accident. rocktivity Feb 2015 #405

Me too. Actually, same thing happened to me at Kroger today. Bonx Feb 2015 #502

Lol treestar Feb 2015 #537

Venue says there was security ND-Dem Feb 2015 #484

Which is not surprising... BklnDem75 Feb 2015 #500

there was some, because there's video of people keeping the boyfriend from coming back on stage. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #506

I don't think anyone claimed there was zero security... BklnDem75 Feb 2015 #507

if they kept the boyfriend from coming back, they kept the boyfriend offstage in at least ND-Dem Feb 2015 #508

His girlfriend got cuffed... BklnDem75 Feb 2015 #510

it may be security wasn't in the room at the time. but there was security, and they were ND-Dem Feb 2015 #511

Isn't their job crowd control? BklnDem75 Feb 2015 #512

15 security for a crowd of five hundred drinking customers? Is that enough, I wonder? MADem Feb 2015 #519

Her action was wrong, but his was violent and criminal. Punching a female in the face? ISSUES. WinkyDink Feb 2015 #521

yes. we all get bumped. can i deck a person who bumps me inline at the store? Liberal_in_LA Feb 2015 #526

Yep. "Disproportionate force" is the key here. nomorenomore08 Feb 2015 #558

Don't these concerts come with security? backscatter712 Feb 2015 #527

LOSING TOUR DATES After Punching Fan (UPDATE) uppityperson Feb 2015 #544