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In reply to the discussion: Yes we are all Democrats. That is checking a box. No, we don't seem to have common aims in general. [View all]BainsBane
(57,314 posts)and to assume if anyone cares about anything other than a singular obsession with a single member of the political elite it is some sort of sell out. I'm basing this not just on the OP but past discussions with that member, who has hunted down what he believes are cryptic messages---effectively heresy-- supporting Clinton in entirely unrelated threads. You see, I will not conform to a view of politics that is ahistorical and counterfactual. I won't conform to group think that pretends to be "left" but reveals a conservative (not as in GOP but as in traditional) view of political change. How can one challenge the political elite when they pretend that changing the face is enough to transform a fundamental relationship between capital and citizen?
None of that has anything to do with changing our political system or society. It's all about marking out tribes, us vs. them. The them in this scenario is not "corporatists" or even politicians but the working class, the poor, women, people of color, and LGBT Americans, ordinary people who very often are less privileged than those insulting them as siding with the one percent and Goldman Sacks simply because they think about something other than the very narrow political concern about a single undeclared presidential candidate. If you don't want those people to join together in a grass roots movement, you don't want change at all. All it amounts to is a very misplaced and unwarranted sense of elitism.
If you want political change, it has to be based on something, a reform, a cause. Making it all about defeating a single woman who dares to run for president is to not social change. Individual politicians are not a cause. They are not reform. They are simply different personalities occupying the White House. They do not change the system, and a notion of politics that imagines they will is based on a limited understanding of our economic and political system.
The people promoting conformity for years now are those whose singular mission is to attack anyone they see as insufficiently hostile to Hillary Clinton. Frankly who the next president is ranks pretty low on my list of concerns, other than I really prefer it not be a Republican. I do not care who anyone here votes for, but the same cannot be said of the OP and others like him, who have insisted everything is in someway related to his fixation on Clinton. To pretend people are trying to make you conform is ridiculous because any accounting of threads about the 2016 election will demonstrate the vast majority are anti-Clinton. If anyone here is responsible for making her seem like THE nominee is it those who have posted relentlessly against her. The appeal to conformity on this site is overwhelmingly in the anti-Clinton direction.