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stevenleser

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151. Several important points alluded to by you here.

Wed Mar 4, 2015, 12:48 PM

Mar 2015

including (but not limited to):

#1 - What's OP's plan to get what they want and how does the OP post help that. With the clear answer being, OP has no plan and the OP post would not help anyone who disagrees with OPs approach to bring them over to OPs side. Just the opposite, the OP post is made to drive others away.

#2 - What is the purpose of the OP post? Well, as I noted above, the purpose is to distinguish between the OP and those who think like them and "the other". The OP and those who think exactly like him are the special righteous group, and "the other" are 'bad'. It's really that simple.

#3 - That you and many others actually agree with many of the items listed, we just don't agree on how to get there.

#4 - The ability to get to the desired end state does not live or die with Hillary's candidacy.

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Yes we are all Democrats. That is checking a box. No, we don't seem to have common aims in general. [View all] TheKentuckian Mar 2015 OP

Thank you and Autumn Mar 2015 #1

I wish I could rec this a thousand times. Scuba Mar 2015 #2

This OP deserves hundreds of recs Autumn Mar 2015 #3

Thanks, it is time to be clear where really stand and where we really want to go TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #6

Yes it is well past time. I know where I am going and I know where Autumn Mar 2015 #8

I am who this OP is attacking QuestionAlways Mar 2015 #62

No, I'm attaching those that hold such views or claim they don't but always work toward such ends. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #64

This OP is not an attack on anyone. Autumn Mar 2015 #65

Hillary has already told you she disagrees with you on eg, 'no war without a declaration of war'. sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #77

I believe it is either Hillary Clinton or a Republican as the next POTUS QuestionAlways Mar 2015 #106

Of COURSE she can be attacked from the right on national defense. hedda_foil Mar 2015 #130

I don't. We have plenty of great Democrats who make great Presidents and it's up to the sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #148

So who is that candidate? QuestionAlways Mar 2015 #169

Well... sendero Mar 2015 #135

All these things listed, pushed by corporate dems, are what we have rethugs for. RiverLover Mar 2015 #4

Being told over and over you are a Left Leaning Independent and not a Democrat Autumn Mar 2015 #5

lol! That one is my favorite. HappyMe Mar 2015 #7

I used to think it was funny but now I just see it as being disruptive. Autumn Mar 2015 #9

Ah! I wondered where that one was. HappyMe Mar 2015 #11

I don't think it is intended to change anyones mind. zeemike Mar 2015 #15

I would turn in my grown woman card HappyMe Mar 2015 #19

I think that particular G_j Mar 2015 #54

As if you could ever silence the 'Left' which is what these admonishments are ALWAYs about, sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #82

That one works in bullying and disruption the way other artists work in oils or clay. smokey nj Mar 2015 #39

LOL. Love The Christmas Story reference. LondonReign2 Mar 2015 #57

It's one of my favorites. smokey nj Mar 2015 #76

It is his true medium; a master. [n/t] Maedhros Mar 2015 #177

I have that one on ignore. I do that very, very infrequently. stillwaiting Mar 2015 #59

Those pledgy requests make me see red. 840high Mar 2015 #33

They do get under my skin sometimes. HappyMe Mar 2015 #37

I'm getting to where I don't much mind. The base are the folks you have at hello, my vote isn't TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #10

Sad to say my vote was automatic. It's not anymore. After the omnibus vote I Autumn Mar 2015 #12

Oh...mine too but I can't keep it up anymore. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #69

OR that you're a member of the "Democrat Party." calimary Mar 2015 #47

Especially since I have voted straight D since 1978. DINOs are more devious than Repukes, though Doctor_J Mar 2015 #61

The problem (among many) is that the deviousness feeds the malignancy and vice versa too TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #67

Excellent OP. One of the best I've read in months! Rex Mar 2015 #13

I agree with that Rex. sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #86

Thanks. I'm glad some folks encouraged me to repost it. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #95

"I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat." TexasProgresive Mar 2015 #14

... zeemike Mar 2015 #16

Bullseye. Indepatriot Mar 2015 #17

Great post, thanks. Btw, it is not our common goal to wage war against whistleblowers. Broward Mar 2015 #18

You got that right. It was that which kicked me over the line of buying the common goals lies. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #21

False: "Sure there are common goals like wanting everyone to be able to vote" ieoeja Mar 2015 #20

Goodness, I hadn't caught that. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #23

yep, and check out some of the new ID, etc. requirements. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #122

the problem, of course, is there's only one party that can do all these things without backlash MisterP Mar 2015 #22

Agreed, if we accept what we oppose the TeaPubliKlans for in our party then what vehicle do we have TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #28

A MUCH better post than the one you responded to. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2015 #24

Not only better. Puglover Mar 2015 #109

Hey there! ScreamingMeemie Mar 2015 #145

Thank you TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #147

+ a zillion MissDeeds Mar 2015 #25

I'm a lifelong Democrat who votes issues/policies/principles. Not politician or Party. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #26

I thank you for that. 840high Mar 2015 #34

Daaaaamn!! bravenak Mar 2015 #27

I'll take take as about the highest level compliment one can get. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #53

I found it breathtaking. bravenak Mar 2015 #55

Noooo!!! You're sowing discord and promoting divide and conquer. Are you Scott Walker?? RufusTFirefly Mar 2015 #29

There is more to being a Democrat than checking a box Cryptoad Mar 2015 #30

Tell us the process in your state, in Kentucky I checked a box at 17 since I was of age as of the TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #46

you are the one that mentioned checking a box..... why so much anger.. Cryptoad Mar 2015 #63

Apparently not very effectively. Mealymouthing Kumbaiya with this bunch has TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #66

I wouldn't expect any less..... Cryptoad Mar 2015 #72

Pretty much every Democrat is for all of those things too. Nothing special about it. stevenleser Mar 2015 #31

No, YOU claimed that I claimed to be in a small righteous group. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #42

Your OP is exactly that, claiming you are in a special righteous group. nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #43

Where are such words to be found? You know like righteous, special, group, or size of said group? TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #49

Projection makes some here easy to read. They have no impulse control. Rex Mar 2015 #88

I also believe it proves the main point of the OP. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #139

Yes. Yes. Yes. DeSwiss Mar 2015 #32

And your alternative suggestion is... brooklynite Mar 2015 #35

And debt works far better than chains. zeemike Mar 2015 #38

It's all illusion...... DeSwiss Mar 2015 #51

Terrence McKenna had it figured out. zeemike Mar 2015 #71

K & R..... N_E_1 for Tennis Mar 2015 #36

Ok Buddy, your Rah-Rah Card is officially revoked. Fuddnik Mar 2015 #40

Damn, wise soul to not even make it to the current cycle of the collapse. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #96

I was more gullible too. No more. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #140

No whitewash and 'look forward' and cover for torturing, murdering, destroying criminals. Octafish Mar 2015 #41

Damn right! TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #98

No, no, no! We are all one big tent. We must respect the beliefs of the conservatives and former dissentient Mar 2015 #44

Not all ex-cons and repubs DesertDawg Mar 2015 #79

One word: Warren. Glad to have you with us. nt F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #103

I don't always agree with TheKentuckian, Codeine Mar 2015 #45

I wish I could rec this but I won't because of this... one_voice Mar 2015 #48

It's okay, I might have 100 recs in over 20,000 posts and what seven years? They aren't a big TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #52

That wasn't reform... one_voice Mar 2015 #58

Sounds like what happened with more robust education requirements to me. Otherwise you got including TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #94

Kick Autumn Mar 2015 #50

Rec'ed LondonReign2 Mar 2015 #56

I am saddened that so many here seem to lack principles. I thought that was unique to Repukes Doctor_J Mar 2015 #60

I support progressive values and I think we all do on DU. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #68

Rumor control has it Cryptoad Mar 2015 #74

I certainly hope you don't mean me. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #75

no,,,nt Cryptoad Mar 2015 #125

It has been an oversensitive period here for many of us in different camps. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #126

Considering the Koch Brothers did that DesertDawg Mar 2015 #80

Really? Even the poster and Hillary pumper that constantly uses "progressive" as a slur? LondonReign2 Mar 2015 #149

I don't know what your talking about and I am not here to answer for others. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #150

You already tried to answer for others. You said: LondonReign2 Mar 2015 #155

I forgot I added that. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #157

Fair enough LondonReign2 Mar 2015 #159

THAT IS A TROLL Skittles Mar 2015 #173

Very good! H2O Man Mar 2015 #70

Very well stated, thank you. I think we remember those epithets for the Left, 'emoprog' sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #73

The new one is "simpletons". I thought that was a rather unique new one. Autumn Mar 2015 #83

Probably not. Seems those kind of things are more hugs and kisses than nasty to some. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #102

How does insulting Democrats help your cause? BainsBane Mar 2015 #78

I think the Left has already realized that focusing on Local and State politics is the best way to sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #84

Very well put treestar Mar 2015 #85

Thank you. BainsBane Mar 2015 #100

Insulting them, or holding them to account? Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #87

To account for what? BainsBane Mar 2015 #89

That seems to be the point of the OP. Conform and jump on the bandwagon without dissent. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #92

Indeed, it does seek to promote conformity BainsBane Mar 2015 #97

Yes, yes I am sending the SS for all disenters! Acknowledging disparate aims isn't TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #127

It was my mistake. I was really replying to the post #89. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #132

Dig ya, no worries. Sorry to jump your shit. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #138

Holy moly, Bain that is one HELL of a post Number23 Mar 2015 #101

You have to pass it to see what's in it TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #129

Well, I strongly disagree with you on what we should do about what Marxist theory implies. F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #108

What do you mean? BainsBane Mar 2015 #115

Um, I would love to discuss this with you, but unfortunately F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #121

I hope you feel better soon. nt BainsBane Mar 2015 #133

Great Post!!! nt One of the 99 Mar 2015 #116

If Democrats are insulted then it is their malfunction and I'm not here to coddle it. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #119

I read your post in light of previous conversations BainsBane Mar 2015 #128

Don't care about your lectures or your weirdo "Marxist"/"Centrist" triangulation scheme here TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #142

The only thing you do seem to "care about" is making yourself seem holier than thou. stevenleser Mar 2015 #152

+1 hrmjustin Mar 2015 #153

Man, you must have a low ass opinion of your own values. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #164

This can't be repeated enough: Maedhros Mar 2015 #160

Excellent post! Bobbie Jo Mar 2015 #120

Several important points alluded to by you here. stevenleser Mar 2015 #151

That's it in a nutshell BainsBane Mar 2015 #156

. LiberalElite Mar 2015 #81

Happy to give this post one more rec. than that other post has received. Ron Green Mar 2015 #90

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Mar 2015 #91

No, not everyone here is a Democrat frazzled Mar 2015 #93

If you have been called a Conservadem, a Thirdwayer, or a DINO it is probably because you ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #99

Would calling DUers "simpletons" fall under name calling or labeling? Autumn Mar 2015 #114

Oh, don't worry about hypocrisy marym625 Mar 2015 #118

Apples/Oranges Bobbie Jo Mar 2015 #123

Complaining about others doing what one is also doing is teh awesome huh! Autumn Mar 2015 #124

What? Bobbie Jo Mar 2015 #134

BOOM! Roasted LondonReign2 Mar 2015 #154

Thank!!! One of the 99 Mar 2015 #117

Who keeps spinning the wheel in search of a hook to get Democrats to swallow TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #137

+1 (an entire shit load) Enthusiast Mar 2015 #141

You know what they say about the middle - HughBeaumont Mar 2015 #143

The middle they seek I believe is at the intersection of George W. Bush and Planned Parenthood. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #158

Sorry for sayin' so ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #167

Don't be sorry, I understand your desperation to keep that element as shadowy TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #170

My refusal to engage in discussion with you ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #174

I'd slink off too. You are transparent. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #175

Recommended - raven mad Mar 2015 #104

Thank you! fredamae Mar 2015 #105

Recommend! KoKo Mar 2015 #107

I don't know how I missed this one the first go round, but I'm really glad for this repost. mother earth Mar 2015 #110

K&R Change has come Mar 2015 #111

not being a democrat takes all the pressure off KG Mar 2015 #112

It's amazing what clarity comes when one removes the team jersey. Maedhros Mar 2015 #179

It really does. I had no idea how freeing it would be. Autumn Mar 2015 #181

Huge k&r! "be crying for absolute loyalty to the formless blob of nothing"!!!! ND-Dem Mar 2015 #113

K&R Oilwellian Mar 2015 #131

Kicked and recommended a brazillion times. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #136

K&R The only people united behind those goals are those invested in Wall St. nt raouldukelives Mar 2015 #144

Excellent OP. K&R nt TBF Mar 2015 #146

K&FuckinR. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2015 #161

Well said. obxhead Mar 2015 #162

I loved it when I first read it... malokvale77 Mar 2015 #163

The very fact that I have to choose between the lesser evils d_legendary1 Mar 2015 #165

I've been doing that for some time now, voting against people Skittles Mar 2015 #172

Yes we are. Autumn Mar 2015 #166

Well, there's nothing like a thread entitled ... NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #168

Purgejection. I have no power to purge anyone, I'm just not going to pretend we all have the same TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #176

Purgection? NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #180

One person's disunity apparently is another's eyes open, I reckon. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #184

kick woo me with science Mar 2015 #171

Our party's worst candidate would still be orders of magnitude better than the best GOP candidate. NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #178

THIS. n/t DirkGently Mar 2015 #182

huge K and R. Wonderful op. bbgrunt Mar 2015 #183

Recommend! KoKo Mar 2015 #185