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Mc Mike

(9,260 posts)
67. I don't think we're talking in circles, but maybe talking past each other, Blue.
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 02:18 PM
Mar 2015

You will not get an attempt by me to excuse Conyer's second appearance with Farrakhan. I have no place telling someone who was offended against that they don't have a right to be outraged by the offense. I back Civil rights for LGBT people as well as Blacks. I've backed national political figures who are gay, or who backed Equal Rights, and never have backed any who run on a platform of being anti-LGBT or anti-Civil Rights. I didn't know about the two incidents until you showed me them, but would have been against Conyers appearing with Farrakhan, ever, anywhere, period.

We're talking because I said that Farrakhan is from the far-right, backed financially by them. The same aims and goals. Conyers isn't coming from a position of backing Farrakhan from above, or supporting him financially, though appearing with him backs him by giving him the legitimacy of being tied to a high-ranking Dem congressman. Conyers is trying to get money and jobs for his constituents, (all of them, every race religion and gender among them,) who have been suffering since the '80's, and are suffering more under Snyder's repug regime. He's turning to any source, and doesn't have financial support for development among his usual pool of backers, this appears obvious. He didn't get into office with a big Farrakhan endorsement or financial backing, and he's been there for decades. I would have expected the bigoted hate speech from Farrakhan, first thing out of the box, during the first appearance. In fact, I believe the funding Conyers is floundering for was designed to contain precisely that poison pill, an attempt by the far right to smear Conyers and promote schisms among strong Dem constituencies. Looking at Farrakhan's track record and empty pumpkin headed grin, you can see that on-stage he's going to blow up like a suicide bomber and take anyone on-stage with him, as he delivers another piece of black nazi insanity. But why does Farrakhan have the money for Detroit projects, while traditional DEM groups don't? Where's he getting the funds? It isn't from ill-fated small time security gigs in housing projects, or from bean pie and frozen fish sales. His outfit has been backed by Hunt family repug party Birchers for over 50 years.

I can't beg you to forgive Conyers for doing the wrong thing, twice. It isn't my place to try to tell you not to feel attacked by his actions, or excuse his actions. You're right about them, but I'm still not writing him off. I will lobby him to dump any further association with NOI given the opportunity, but his work for Civil Rights and Election Integrity and against the repugs aren't negated by his bad actions in these two associations with Farrakhan.

And Farrakhan does come from the far right. He's not a mainstream or left expression of Black hatred for Jews and LGBTs.

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Yeah, that was pretty stark. Behind the Aegis Mar 2015 #20
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Have a sweet sleep. cali Mar 2015 #14
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Being an idiot. Aerows Mar 2015 #66
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In that, I agree. Behind the Aegis Mar 2015 #32
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Farrakhan lining up with the birchers, again. Mc Mike Mar 2015 #28
The "Jews did 9-11" meme isn't even relegated to the right. Behind the Aegis Mar 2015 #30
I'm not sure, BtA. Mc Mike Mar 2015 #35
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Yes, I see what you're saying. And agree with your logical analysis. Mc Mike Mar 2015 #41
I agree with you as well. Behind the Aegis Mar 2015 #43
I'm a white R Cath, urban. Mc Mike Mar 2015 #47
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You're right about the uselessness of 'apologies' when the offense is repeated again, flagrantly. Mc Mike Mar 2015 #59
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I don't think we're talking in circles, but maybe talking past each other, Blue. Mc Mike Mar 2015 #67
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