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10. This is why these movements ultimately fail

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Sat Mar 7, 2015, 03:01 PM

Mar 2015

The other side is already so good at divide and conquer, then we give them ammunition like this. Some will never learn.

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Parents upset 'Black Lives Matter' assembly excludes other races [View all] philosslayer Mar 2015 OP

Seems like a counter productive policy aikoaiko Mar 2015 #1

hmm marym625 Mar 2015 #2

Can't think of a single reason there would need to be any exclusion... pipoman Mar 2015 #4

That wasn't the intent, maybe you should read the article first. Rex Mar 2015 #9

Yeah, I read it...dealing with racial issues pipoman Mar 2015 #12

If that is what you drew from this article, you didn't read it. kwassa Mar 2015 #24

Just like the article said marym625 Mar 2015 #13

HMMmm...sounds like they got a taste of, you know... Rex Mar 2015 #3

But it seems like they missed an opportunity to educate white kids pnwmom Mar 2015 #5

Just found it ironic is all. Rex Mar 2015 #8

That is not what the African-American Affinity group sought to achieve ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #180

Yeah, that's helpful.... pipoman Mar 2015 #6

Thanks. Rex Mar 2015 #7

What an unfortunate conclusion Android3.14 Mar 2015 #177

Please, he wasn't "crowing" and he didn't say anybody deserved it. F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #188

This is why these movements ultimately fail LittleBlue Mar 2015 #10

As I said in #15..... AverageJoe90 Mar 2015 #17

There is an assumption the students wanted to attend to support... Spazito Mar 2015 #11

Not true. The article says white students were turned away. DirkGently Mar 2015 #157

There is nothing in the article or in your excerpt that states the students... Spazito Mar 2015 #159

That's a needlessly uncharitable assumption, DirkGently Mar 2015 #161

Not uncharitable at all, simply realistic... Spazito Mar 2015 #163

Saying they wanted to attend was support. DirkGently Mar 2015 #164

No, I have attended events to protest and, I'm assuming you have as well... Spazito Mar 2015 #165

Right. And you went home when they didn't DirkGently Mar 2015 #166

LOL, mind reading is not your forte... Spazito Mar 2015 #167

So you won't or can't answer the question? DirkGently Mar 2015 #168

You really don't seem to understand 'affinity groups' and why they can be effective.. Spazito Mar 2015 #169

I am not understanding your point here. kwassa Mar 2015 #193

The problem I see with the affiinity group approach SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #14

Goddamn it. Are we ever going to fucking learn?!?!? AverageJoe90 Mar 2015 #15

I mean really. There are times i feel the activist left is just as bad as the right. alp227 Mar 2015 #127

Did the biracial kids get to go for half of it? Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #16

I would sincerely hope not. nt AverageJoe90 Mar 2015 #19

Stupidest thing I read today. Did the biracial kids get to go to half. Stupid. bravenak Mar 2015 #25

Save your breath, this board is not the place for people like you and me NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #26

I know. bravenak Mar 2015 #28

Do you think they even know the history of one drop rule? NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #30

They went to COLLEGE!!! Damn! bravenak Mar 2015 #32

Unless I'm missing the sarcasm somewhere, I think you're missing the point of that post. n/t Adrahil Mar 2015 #190

SAY it again and again and again. These folks SCREAM to the Heavens how they are the arbiters Number23 Mar 2015 #109

How would the school decide which kids are black enough to be allowed to attend the event? Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #29

All you gotta do is claim your heritage. We could give a fuck if you light skinned. bravenak Mar 2015 #36

I'm not going to defend a school using the "one drop" rule Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #41

You are creating a phony argument to avoid dealing with the article's substance. kwassa Mar 2015 #45

Ameria uses the one drop rule. You are being deliberately obtuse as usual. bravenak Mar 2015 #48

I don't defend the "one drop" rule being used anywhere. Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #53

Black kids get banned from living normal lives. You don't give two shits about that. bravenak Mar 2015 #54

Any racial discrimination is wrong. Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #57

I never see you show any concern about the racism that black people go through. bravenak Mar 2015 #60

You've never seen any of my posts showing concern about racism? Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #66

I've never seen you talk about the principal's strategy of using affinity groups. kwassa Mar 2015 #71

He's also proposing to allow an all-white group of students that excludes minorities. Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #75

With a grand finale of having a meeting with all the groups. kwassa Mar 2015 #79

Had to go back to August, eh? bravenak Mar 2015 #74

Here's one from December: Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #83

You seem WAY more comcerned about reverse racism. bravenak Mar 2015 #85

I believe that there is no such thing as "reverse racism". Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #88

I have goals not goal posts. bravenak Mar 2015 #103

as usual heaven05 Mar 2015 #120

Nice to see you too!! bravenak Mar 2015 #122

Hahaha. I read, people like you are racist. Oops azmom Mar 2015 #145

I have no idea what you mean. bravenak Mar 2015 #146

"Ameria uses the one drop rule." NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #197

Society decides what to classify you as. bravenak Mar 2015 #198

Why on earth would you exclude ANYONE form an event like this? n/t Adrahil Mar 2015 #191

When are you going to read the article and deal with the principal's purpose? kwassa Mar 2015 #40

Most people who want to racially discriminate come up with a bogus excuse (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #44

Are you accusing these people of wanting to racially disciminate? kwassa Mar 2015 #47

Banning students from an assembly based upon their perceived race Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #51

Why don't you care about the black kids getting left out? By society? Discriminated against? bravenak Mar 2015 #55

I am 100% in favor of a "black lives matter" assembly. Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #59

They aren't being killed in large numbers by law enforcement. bravenak Mar 2015 #63

What about the principal's strategy of using affinity groups? kwassa Mar 2015 #61

He wants to allow a group of white students that excludes non-white students? Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #69

and he brings all the groups together at the end. kwassa Mar 2015 #101

It's amazing to me that simple truth is being ignored... NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #98

And what simple truth must that be? kwassa Mar 2015 #106

please heaven05 Mar 2015 #119

You really can't expect better, Bravenak Scootaloo Mar 2015 #126

This place is jacked up. bravenak Mar 2015 #130

Or maybe he just doesn't agree with you. romanic Mar 2015 #208

He does agree with me. bravenak Mar 2015 #209

I meant entirely agree. romanic Mar 2015 #210

Nobody does that. Entirely agree. Nobody. If they say they do it's probably a lie. bravenak Mar 2015 #211

My old supervisor in the Air Force... NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #35

mmmmmmmm heaven05 Mar 2015 #118

I can understand the desire to keep the movement focused on race since this is a racial issue Wella Mar 2015 #18

Let's teach about racial discrimination being wrong by racially discriminating? Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #20

Let us comment about an article that we haven't read? kwassa Mar 2015 #23

It is apparent who read it and who did not. nt Rex Mar 2015 #39

Were they trying to teach about it or trying to get the black children to express their experiences? Wella Mar 2015 #86

I totally agree with you, and I think that is the exact purpose. kwassa Mar 2015 #94

That's what I gathered from the article Wella Mar 2015 #99

That makes a lot of sense. Chemisse Mar 2015 #131

Messaging can always affect the outcome despite good intention. Wella Mar 2015 #132

Nothing says equality like segregation Generic Brad Mar 2015 #110

Nothing says understanding like reading the article. kwassa Mar 2015 #113

I did read the article and I did comprehend it Generic Brad Mar 2015 #117

"Hopes to?" XemaSab Mar 2015 #152

I agree. HappyMe Mar 2015 #21

Maybe it's their prerogative... NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #31

Yep n/t SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #33

Read the article and learn why he did it. kwassa Mar 2015 #37

I read it. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #43

What do you think of the concept of affinity groups? kwassa Mar 2015 #49

I think they're another version of segregation. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #52

You didn't answer my question. What do you think of the affinity groups? kwassa Mar 2015 #56

NaturalHigh did answer your question n/t SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #62

I answered your question. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #65

so, you deny the principal's life experience as a black man ... kwassa Mar 2015 #67

If the principal were white... NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #72

No, and no. kwassa Mar 2015 #76

Okay, maybe I'm not making myself clear. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #82

And why will affinity groups lead to nothing good? What is wrong with them? kwassa Mar 2015 #91

I did read the article and I still disagree SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #46

What did you think of the principal's affinity group strategy? kwassa Mar 2015 #50

I'm against it SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #58

So, you are denying the principal's life experience as a black man? kwassa Mar 2015 #64

Of course I'm not denying his experiences SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #68

Segregation for one hour? This is crippling? kwassa Mar 2015 #81

Did I say crippling? SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #93

If this is a government funded public school GuntherGebelWilliams Mar 2015 #38

Read the article and learn why the principal did it. kwassa Mar 2015 #42

Why do you assume that anyone that disagrees hasn't read the article? SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #70

Because nobody, including you, is discussing the theory of affinity groups. kwassa Mar 2015 #73

No, I don't need to discuss it SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #77

OK. Your white experience is more important than his black experience. kwassa Mar 2015 #78

You have an interesting habit SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #102

You misunderstand the purpose of the meeting in the first place. kwassa Mar 2015 #105

You're free to believe whatever you choose SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #114

Actually it is. A public school is responsible for the safety and well being of all its students Wella Mar 2015 #125

Said every segregationist ever XemaSab Mar 2015 #153

That's inappropriate in this situation Wella Mar 2015 #175

Typical DU poutrage. Let's all fly off the handle before we read the article. kwassa Mar 2015 #22

Like mainstream America, DU has many many white people who have no clue about race buT NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #27

+1 uponit7771 Mar 2015 #34

I kind of feel like I'm either HappyMe Mar 2015 #84

DUers arguing in favor of racially exclusionary student groups, Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #87

Ready to discuss affinity groups yet? or are you going to keep avoiding it? kwassa Mar 2015 #90

OK. "Affinity groups" that exclude students based upon their race are stupid, misguided, Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #95

And why are they stupid, misguided and counterproductive? kwassa Mar 2015 #96

Because he struggles with race it's okay to throw that on the students? XemaSab Mar 2015 #154

I'm not sure what you are saying here. kwassa Mar 2015 #156

I'm responding to these words: XemaSab Mar 2015 #158

Talking with those like you is the first step. kwassa Mar 2015 #160

Frankly ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #182

Yeah. Those poor white kids. HappyMe Mar 2015 #92

"It was only white parents that whined about this"... NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #192

it sounds like a very pale universe ... kwassa Mar 2015 #89

Yup. HappyMe Mar 2015 #97

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And you are? ismnotwasm Mar 2015 #135

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Well then welcome ismnotwasm Mar 2015 #138

A denizen of the library. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2015 #139

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #141

Oak Park Public Library uppityperson Mar 2015 #144

Bummer there is no vaccination against questions huh? NutmegYankee Mar 2015 #140

vaccinations cause dis-ease, rational thought can also cause un-ease. uppityperson Mar 2015 #143

"he knows firsthand that it can be challenging to be open in a mixed-race group." Number23 Mar 2015 #111

Hah! I didn't even see that irony. kwassa Mar 2015 #112

You know how in 6th grade, schools take the girls aisde & dicuss U4ikLefty Mar 2015 #199

I agree with your assessment completely. Number23 Mar 2015 #205

Affinity groups make sense Matrosov Mar 2015 #121

Thank you. kwassa Mar 2015 #148

You think white people are comfortable talking about race with other whites? XemaSab Mar 2015 #155

You are correct. I am White and uncomfortable talking about race with other whites! ieoeja Mar 2015 #183

That's because ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #185

And that might be an interesting starting point ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #184

You apparently haven't been in a diversity workshop. kwassa Mar 2015 #195

This was remarkably stupid on the part of the principal kiva Mar 2015 #80

+1. And now he's apparently proposing to have a "white affinity group" that excludes non-whites. Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #100

You ignore the part about how he brings all the groups together at the end. kwassa Mar 2015 #104

Do you have a link for that, though? nt AverageJoe90 Mar 2015 #136

Many times as black people, we can't have anything for ourselves in this country... MrScorpio Mar 2015 #107

Thank you for articulating that truth. bravenak Mar 2015 #108

I think I must have misunderstood your comment. hughee99 Mar 2015 #206

If you had grown up in the US, you would understand the rage of Black people. raging moderate Mar 2015 #115

I just want to say, I loved this comment most in this thread. bravenak Mar 2015 #123

Powerful post... Spazito Mar 2015 #124

Very interesting post. I'm especially struck by your comments about trauma Wella Mar 2015 #129

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I don't like the idea romanic Mar 2015 #116

the white kids can have their own separate function mwrguy Mar 2015 #128

Isn't that sort of like segregation? NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #133

The groups are segregated but the schools don't become segregated gollygee Mar 2015 #147

I don't see that this will improve communication... NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #170

There are experts in anti-racism work who have set this up gollygee Mar 2015 #173

Okay...whatever. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #174

Do you think there is any benefit in white people ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #186

I'm pretty familiar with what you think. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #187

Good, then I have effectively communicated my position ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #194

Ah, so they would be "separate". But would they be "equal"? Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #149

Yes mwrguy Mar 2015 #151

LOL... NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #171

So you are against separate boys and girls locker rooms? U4ikLefty Mar 2015 #200

I'm against separate black and white locker rooms, Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #201

I'm not a talking about analogies, there is SEGREGATION of the sexes going on U4ikLefty Mar 2015 #202

Justifying racial segregation based upon separate-sex restroom facilities Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #207

damn, the affinity group thing is a simple and understandable concept. m-lekktor Mar 2015 #142

I think you understand the objection ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #150

White people know what is best for you, surely you have figured that out by now. NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #176

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #178

You couldn't have dragged me kicking and screaming into a "white only" group in high school. Yo_Mama Mar 2015 #203

Me neither. AverageJoe90 Mar 2015 #204

You don't think there's a need for a safe space for kids of color bettyellen Mar 2015 #213

Correct me if I am wrong ripcord Mar 2015 #162

No, you're not wrong. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #172

If you are really seeking informative correction, then ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #179

I'm not bothered by it ripcord Mar 2015 #181

I hope you did not take offense to my response ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #189

Don't worry it takes more than that to offend me ripcord Mar 2015 #196