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hollowdweller

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17. If you want to go back further

Wed Mar 18, 2015, 01:28 PM

Mar 2015

Really the CIA in Afghanistan was who birthed the large multi national Islamic fighting force that first formed in Afghanistan, then moved to the former Yugoslavia, and finally wound up in Iraq and Syria. You could say we gave the seed money, and really our invasion of Iraq and then what went down in Syria gave it a huge shot in the arm.

I really only think that it can currently be defeated on an ideological basis and by not sending arms to the middle east, because the arms can be captured or sold to them from who we originally give them to. Another important part is to become energy independent. I think Obama actually knows this and is quietly trying to both do it and educate the public. However the GOP, and sadly, too many of our countrymen think that force is somehow an option that will work.

For years after Vietnam we understood this reality. However one bad thing I think about the Gulf War and our success there was that it sort of emboldened the hawks. After the self congratulatory wallowing we were doing after the Gulf War went so well, combined with the fall of the USSR I knew our imperialistic and hawkish elements were going to lead the country down the path of problems again.

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Shithole RT using a real news organizations work.... snooper2 Mar 2015 #11

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YES! n/t prayin4rain Mar 2015 #16

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Bzzzzzt! This is an RT article and therefore is simply Russian propaganda! riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #22

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