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119. Actually the spying is NOT the problem. All countries do it against their friends and foes. The

Tue Mar 24, 2015, 01:07 PM

Mar 2015

problem is that Israel is using that information to manipulate Congress, and that is serious, especially since they are trying to sabotage the negotiation process by all evidence, and this implies more than just "influencing" U.S. policy, but it inserting itself in our political system, which no foreign country should be allowed to do

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If this turns out to be true...holy shit. [View all] WilliamPitt Mar 2015 OP

Grabbing my popcorn and soda for this one. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #1

NO NO NO NO leftieNanner Mar 2015 #106

I will bring the Stoli, and some chip and dip. pennylane100 Mar 2015 #109

Excellent! leftieNanner Mar 2015 #126

This message was self-deleted by its author markpkessinger Mar 2015 #170

Laphroaig or Lagavullin for me! n/t markpkessinger Mar 2015 #171

Laphroaig, aye, that's the stuff, lad! hifiguy Mar 2015 #185

Like drinking a glass of peat! markpkessinger Mar 2015 #189

I'm more of a MacAllan 18, Highland Park, or Balvenie girl myself leftieNanner Mar 2015 #205

Won't say no to any of those! markpkessinger Mar 2015 #229

IPA's unionthug777 Mar 2015 #175

How about a couple of bottles of Glengoole? Initech Mar 2015 #196

Yes on the popcorn! yuiyoshida Mar 2015 #124

We need to call grand jury to see if crimes have been committed. lewebley3 Mar 2015 #198

Please ... Cosmocat Mar 2015 #215

There could be a case for treason here Matt_in_STL Mar 2015 #2

Doubtful because of the relevations of this article Fearless Mar 2015 #67

If it was due to incompetence Aerows Mar 2015 #141

Agreed. Fearless Mar 2015 #148

Someone from the Republican party Aerows Mar 2015 #224

All of them IMHO Fearless Mar 2015 #225

Every single 47 of them. n/t Aerows Mar 2015 #228

+1,000 n/t malaise Mar 2015 #213

Being Dumb? cynzke Mar 2015 #211

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Maybe Boner can discuss it during his upcoming visit with Bibi over there? George II Mar 2015 #78

I am sure Bonerman will have stern words with Bibi about this! yellowcanine Mar 2015 #92

if the 47 were connected though PatrynXX Mar 2015 #136

Maybe you look up the definition of treason. former9thward Mar 2015 #169

We need a recording SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2015 #183

No one is going to get charged with treason. Hell war criminals are welcomed with open arms and rhett o rick Mar 2015 #173

Does anyone know YarnAddict Mar 2015 #3

No, and no, and thank the Lord. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #18

Think you'll feel the same way YarnAddict Mar 2015 #46

I do not think that way, you can have the glass half empty if you like. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #47

What way?? YarnAddict Mar 2015 #48

Diplomacy & negotiating treaties w/foreign govts is reserved to the Executive Branch. Demit Mar 2015 #81

It has to do with the Constitutional division of powers, that's all Hekate Mar 2015 #83

These talks are aimed at an "executive agreement" not a treaty that Congress must approve brush Mar 2015 #96

Consistently I believe. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #163

Um, I hate to mention this but, whathehell Mar 2015 #60

nice catch .... (nt) sunnystarr Mar 2015 #177

Thanks. whathehell Mar 2015 #193

Since these talks are INTERNATIONAL involving five other major powers, all on the same page sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #86

No there should not. HERVEPA Mar 2015 #101

Israel spying on the US? I am shocked. shocked! Its never ever happened before! marble falls Mar 2015 #4

and conspiring with congress to derail the presidents policies...i am shocked. spanone Mar 2015 #5

Just wait until AIPAC finds out about this! hootinholler Mar 2015 #12

Remember Doug Feith, Wurmser, & Franklin down at the Pentagon Office of Special Plans? leveymg Mar 2015 #115

And before that there was poker nights with Cunningham hootinholler Mar 2015 #131

Yep, remember when Franklin got arrested, noticing what appeared to be orchestrated coverups then... cascadiance Mar 2015 #214

Yes, I've noticed similar pattern where google searches turn up NYT articles months after they leveymg Mar 2015 #218

That is not the point at all. Put things in topical perspective rather than using stock thinking. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #19

And that perspective would be what? That Israel honors its relationship with the US selectively? marble falls Mar 2015 #28

The issue is Israel spying on China, France, Russia, Germany all at the same time!! On a very Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #33

I think the perspective is Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #34

Best Friends Forever do not spy on the most delicate Five Nation talks and then complain they do not Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #38

These are not the 'Best Friends Forever' I would want. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #39

+1 BeanMusical Mar 2015 #104

How much more will it take before Americans realize that Israel... bvar22 Mar 2015 #201

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Seems like Obama is laying the groundwork for withholding the UNSC veto LittleBlue Mar 2015 #6

Obama is preparing nothing but the logical consequence of the groundwork Israel and Republicans dug up. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #35

I hope that's the case, or, at least, the outcome. mountain grammy Mar 2015 #50

That would be fantastic. harun Mar 2015 #210

Some spanking is in order ...maybe cut allowance for a month too. L0oniX Mar 2015 #7

That would actually be a reasonable reaction. marble falls Mar 2015 #30

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Absolutely. BeanMusical Mar 2015 #105

Cutting Israel's allowance is not possible. truedelphi Mar 2015 #179

US Americans first ...should be a campaign slogan., L0oniX Mar 2015 #182

You got it Mnpaul Mar 2015 #191

Israel should be sending us aid. bvar22 Mar 2015 #202

Our very own government are fracturing before our very eyes!!! TRoN33 Mar 2015 #8

No one is losing credibility except Republicans. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #20

Not just Republicans. The Democrats who entertained Bibi while he was attempting to undermine sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #140

Correct. Elizabeth Warren & Bernie Sanders were some of the few who opted out. n/t whathehell Mar 2015 #195

Part of the issue, IMO, is that almost NO Republican in Congress served in the military closeupready Mar 2015 #23

Could the actions actions on Iran diplomacy finally splinter off the remaining old time Republicans? karynnj Mar 2015 #56

this progress makes the chance of a false flag operation.... grasswire Mar 2015 #112

Not a fucking chance Cosmocat Mar 2015 #216

"Fractured" is the word the woman journalist Thom Hartmann has on weekly used NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #102

The Senate mercuryblues Mar 2015 #9

This may go on all the time with our allies-especially with Israel. Baitball Blogger Mar 2015 #10

Not surprising or shocking. Countries spy, particularly on issues that are important to their stevenleser Mar 2015 #11

Does the Mossad always share what they find with Republicans as well? n/t Oilwellian Mar 2015 #15

Yes, I hit save by mistake before adding that part. That is what is special here. stevenleser Mar 2015 #27

Missing the point is that Israel does not get a "get out of spying" free card, do they? Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #24

In 99.999% of cases, countries get a "get out of spying" free card. stevenleser Mar 2015 #26

So you went with it.....because it happens?....collusion is the reason for the treason laws! Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #29

You're criticizing me for noting reality as it is? I think that says it all. stevenleser Mar 2015 #32

Same criminal penalties if I am not mistaken, whatever the name, spy versus spy. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #36

How can one country commit treason Codeine Mar 2015 #89

When your BFF, person or country, spies on you and gives info. to whomever, it is treason. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #117

Treason does not mean what you think it means. Codeine Mar 2015 #121

If any of that information was provided to any member of our Congress, leading to Boehner sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #146

Of course. Codeine Mar 2015 #147

I agree. Treason only applies to the citizens of a particular country. I'm just wondering if sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #151

How can a sovereign state commit treason against another? TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #164

The State of Israel is not a US citizen. stone space Mar 2015 #166

The people most likely to use that word Codeine Mar 2015 #184

You say the important part isn't the spying whatchamacallit Mar 2015 #138

Rationalizing and justifying immoral behavior is precisely what has gotten this whole world in the Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #61

Oh please. There are 190 countries on this planet, virtually all spy. stevenleser Mar 2015 #65

Refer back to my prior post. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #72

Refer back to my prior post. nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #80

When bad behavior is the norm, as it is today, bad results are all that can be expected. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #87

+ 1 rusty fender Mar 2015 #139

My thoughts are along those lines Sanity Claws Mar 2015 #94

Thank you. We have got to start making nice in the world to counter all the mean. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #97

Exactly! It's like a bad parent when a child misbehaves, 'oh, s/he's just being a kid'. And when the sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #226

Well, then it's time to make sure that it doesn't 'go on all the time'. But supposing it does, do sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #144

If Boehner and his merry Republicans have seceded from the US, let's treat them as such world wide wally Mar 2015 #13

Will be interesting to see Duval Mar 2015 #14

K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2015 #16

Israel probably has a lot of dirt on the congress people it's "persuading" too. hunter Mar 2015 #17

Good point. A little blackmail between friends? erronis Mar 2015 #25

I'm certain that's what holds the Republican Party together; not just a little blackmail... hunter Mar 2015 #45

Just another symptom of many in Congress who believe they are above the laws they create CanonRay Mar 2015 #21

Unfortunately the last few years have proven that there are a great many above the law Dragonfli Mar 2015 #174

Question: can spying on Iran be distinguished onenote Mar 2015 #22

there is nothing surprising about this JI7 Mar 2015 #31

Right...nothing to see...look away at Israel spying on four of it's friends......powerful friends. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #40

NO WAY, these guys are our BEST ALLIES and totally interested in a peaceful solution. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #37

WSJ Has It Too: WillyT Mar 2015 #41

Big K & R Thespian2 Mar 2015 #42

A congressional investigation maindawg Mar 2015 #43

Nah, they will just blame Obama Iliyah Mar 2015 #73

BINGO! Cosmocat Mar 2015 #217

"Israel, you are SO UnFriended" - America, France and Germany. One month timeout to investigate. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #44

What if it does? What happened the last time we caught Israel spying on us? WhoIsNumberNone Mar 2015 #49

Stay topical...no more matter how many examples of spying one posts - is still the death penalty. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #51

U.S.S. Liberty gordianot Mar 2015 #52

Technically that wasn't spying. WhoIsNumberNone Mar 2015 #53

Yes in 1968 someone had the gall to suggest they be told when certain ships were in the area. gordianot Mar 2015 #59

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when is the last time they shared their intel with members of our senate magical thyme Mar 2015 #165

I heard this morning that a "Senior Israeli Official" responded ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #54

Get out the capers and lox! This is going to be a messy bagel Israel got themselves in. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #62

Wow. one_voice Mar 2015 #150

Yup, that was my reaction to that comment MrBig Mar 2015 #153

I updated... one_voice Mar 2015 #155

Yup, still agree with you MrBig Mar 2015 #156

Some of the bigotry that's allowed to.. one_voice Mar 2015 #160

Agreed MrBig Mar 2015 #162

Not unusual for this poster. 840high Mar 2015 #203

You may as well have went Fuzzy Zoeller and busted out watermelon and fried chicken TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #167

What a complete misser of satire some folks are..your comparison is a comprehension error. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #192

Satire of what? Did you actually think that was some kind of cutting humor? TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #221

Misread? Like "All Is Forgiven", and accompanying narrative? The fake Paris "March of Leaders"? Shouldn't we Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #222

Popcorn indeed... Firebrand Gary Mar 2015 #55

Natanyahu=Shylock albino65 Mar 2015 #57

Not sorry they did it, sorry they got caught and will blame Obama for finding them out. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #63

poor choice of words...you should change it Sheepshank Mar 2015 #84

Wow. You may want to rethink that word. Codeine Mar 2015 #91

I should be shocked MrBig Mar 2015 #99

Semitic refers to ALL the people of the middle east albino65 Mar 2015 #108

By any definition, it's still anti-Semitic MrBig Mar 2015 #110

many DUers have pointed out the slur you used. Rather than trying to deflect, how about doing the uppityperson Mar 2015 #128

Probably cannot. Posting privileges revoked. For now (nt) question everything Mar 2015 #223

A jury actually alloweed this to stay? tishaLA Mar 2015 #114

...but Admins disagree cyberswede Mar 2015 #178

well, that's a mitzvah. tishaLA Mar 2015 #180

Yeah - I hope juror #3 sees that Admins banned that poster as an Anti-Semite. cyberswede Mar 2015 #181

Beyond the simple fact that that should have been hidden, Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #120

Nice way to introduce an Anti-Semitic sentiment question everything Mar 2015 #122

Netanyahu is a nasty, dangerous piece of shit. And that has nothing to do with his ethnicity. enki23 Mar 2015 #143

Shylock.. one_voice Mar 2015 #152

Hard to believe. 840high Mar 2015 #204

Netanyahu is an ass. herding cats Mar 2015 #168

It made it past a jury so there are 4 others here who think it's fine. nt Mosby Mar 2015 #200

I'm hoping it was just a sad testament to knowing so little about antisemitic language herding cats Mar 2015 #208

Maybe. I remember first hearing the term when I saw "Get Shorty," and didn't understand what they Chathamization Mar 2015 #220

K&R! - nt KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #58

Whoop!! tomsaiditagain Mar 2015 #64

So you're OK with a foreign power using the proceeds of espionage on our country Maedhros Mar 2015 #90

Well, then, that makes it OK! BillZBubb Mar 2015 #133

and what do you think of 47 members of congress magical thyme Mar 2015 #188

Has a member of Congress ever been charged for something like this? Omaha Steve Mar 2015 #66

With allies like this..... blackspade Mar 2015 #68

Rouge state father founding Mar 2015 #69

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Would love for something to come of this. Nothing will. n/t yodermon Mar 2015 #70

Clearly a change provoking discovery. Alkene Mar 2015 #71

Candidate for This Year's "You Call This NEWS?" award rocktivity Mar 2015 #74

CNN has also reported it! George II Mar 2015 #77

if this was a surprise to the Obama Team, I would be shocked. ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2015 #88

This will turn out to be either a big nothing-burger or a nothing-burger will done about it. MSNBC ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2015 #93

Just watch this disappear into the background Android3.14 Mar 2015 #95

Israel did probably spy on the talks and we found out about it by spying of Israel. (n/t) spin Mar 2015 #98

Perhaps, but did Obama go to Israel and plot with members of Bibi's opposition in their government sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #149

There are rumors that Obama did try to undermine Bibi's election. ... spin Mar 2015 #176

self delete. posted by mistake in wrong forum. spin Mar 2015 #230

The money quote is at the end of the article. GliderGuider Mar 2015 #100

If it turns out to be true nothing will happen. zeemike Mar 2015 #103

Israel spies on us as much as china pasto76 Mar 2015 #107

Which proves the Republicans give lousy reports. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2015 #116

So how much did AIPAC pay Sen. Cotton this time workinclasszero Mar 2015 #111

I hope my president jomin41 Mar 2015 #113

Not to worry, Chuck Todd will be on it momentarily. tavernier Mar 2015 #118

Actually the spying is NOT the problem. All countries do it against their friends and foes. The still_one Mar 2015 #119

What will happen because of Israel spying and passing their "intel" to the GOP? DaveT Mar 2015 #123

The US and Israel both spy on one another oberliner Mar 2015 #125

Yes, but do we pass secrets over to Netanyahu's political enemies in an effort to undermine his leveymg Mar 2015 #127

just a side note questionseverything Mar 2015 #129

No, Snowden revealed we are paying for the spying done on us by our own government magical thyme Mar 2015 #190

If the US felt its security was being put in jeopardy by an ally oberliner Mar 2015 #130

Any Snow-Wald comment on this one? Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #132

I'm shocked. awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #134

Israel has always done whatever it wants postatomic Mar 2015 #135

Israel denies it. Of course, they deny having nuclear weapons too. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #137

Israel does not deny having nuclear weapons oberliner Mar 2015 #142

Have they been inspected yet? Will there be sanctions if not? Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #145

I was also told by a neighbor who has Israeli ties that Palestinians are treated Cleita Mar 2015 #154

I have a Palestinian optometrist who disagrees with your neighbor's assessment. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #157

My neighbor is a moron. He's like a Jewish version of a Tea Bagger. He has drank Cleita Mar 2015 #158

There is no error so monstrous that it fails to find defenders among the ablest men. Lord Acton Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #159

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Mar 2015 #161

per WSJ article, Israeli officials practically admit to using the intel to lobby congress magical thyme Mar 2015 #172

The the Senator Cotton and his klan aided and abet them... Historic NY Mar 2015 #186

Would not be ONE BIT surprised. hifiguy Mar 2015 #187

None dare call it treason, except for progressives. Rex Mar 2015 #194

Bibi is a facist, and the GOP are traitors!!!! lewebley3 Mar 2015 #197

I would be surprised if it wasn't true. cheapdate Mar 2015 #199

Well holy Toledo marym625 Mar 2015 #206

I thought everyone wanted peace in the Middle East. Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #207

If true, I'm not surprised DFW Mar 2015 #209

The Other Shoe.... cynzke Mar 2015 #212

Justin Raimondo just published an article now that highlights the history of Israeli spying on us. cascadiance Mar 2015 #219

Will somebody tell me the truth?? !! mstinamotorcity2 Mar 2015 #227