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245. People evolve like Obama on marriage equality

Tue Mar 24, 2015, 09:23 PM

Mar 2015

he grew up working class with a union electrician brother, IBEW, he was the first modern candidate to put inequality on the platform. We will never know what he would have done, but he was making people aware and setting up a fight - something Obama never did.

The movement will start with a candidate that recognizes the problem, campaigns on it and is forced to follow through. Not by politicians that are unaware, afraid or indifferent.

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Hillary Is Like A Fish Out of Water When Talking About Class Issues [View all] WillTwain Mar 2015 OP

rec for positive Bernie vibes. n/t PowerToThePeople Mar 2015 #1

She doesn't have any decent cookie recipes, either, but... TreasonousBastard Mar 2015 #2

We cannot afford another talker WillTwain Mar 2015 #3

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #11

Bienvenido a Democratic Underground./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #15

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #20

"We cannot afford another talker" wyldwolf Mar 2015 #26

Game, set, match. nt MADem Mar 2015 #27

The poster very obviously meant 'someone who is all talk', not Marr Mar 2015 #73

I don't think any of the politicians mentioned in this sad, tear-down thread are "all talk." MADem Mar 2015 #102

You seem to be mistaking your opinion for fact. Marr Mar 2015 #108

I think the OP is pretty straight-forward WillTwain Mar 2015 #122

I think 2016 is going to be a rough year for you. nt MADem Mar 2015 #137

I think it's going to be a rough year for the 99%. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #284

People like that don't care about the 1% davidpdx Mar 2015 #288

Thank you for your concise comment. WillTwain Mar 2015 #107

Bernie has a 70 percent approval in Vt. WillTwain Mar 2015 #29

Hillary Clinton has an 80%+ approval nationally among Democrats wyldwolf Mar 2015 #32

What poll? WillTwain Mar 2015 #38

This poll wyldwolf Mar 2015 #49

The "DU Effect" is abundantly documented. cheapdate Mar 2015 #242

That's a good part of our problem, isn't it? F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #273

Be careful with your language. cheapdate Mar 2015 #274

You are right. F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #275

I get what you're saying, but I look at it differently. cheapdate Mar 2015 #278

Thank you for the thoughtful reply. F4lconF16 Mar 2015 #281

From Gallup an organization that has been dropped by many mainstream papers for betterdemsonly Mar 2015 #251

LOL. Attack Gallup. And you use DailyKOS as a 'mainstream source.' Awesome! wyldwolf Mar 2015 #264

What poll? wyldwolf Mar 2015 #45

The ultimate poll - his election WillTwain Mar 2015 #54

that just means 71% approved of him over his Republican opponent in a deep blue state wyldwolf Mar 2015 #57

All true WillTwain Mar 2015 #60

When he gets to 70%+ approval among Democrats nationally, let me know. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #64

Sadly WillTwain Mar 2015 #75

Your correct. It's not going to happen wyldwolf Mar 2015 #83

We agree on something WillTwain Mar 2015 #86

He will, IF the Party Leadership provide the funds they are providing for the 'only candidate' sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #140

wait. You can show me where the 'party leadership' is providing 'funds?' wyldwolf Mar 2015 #147

What funds are the Party Leadership providing for the 'only candidate' ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #150

A losing argument does not make it wrong WillTwain Mar 2015 #175

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #219

Witty WillTwain Mar 2015 #221

No. I just don't feel like ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #227

Like I said, you can be on the wrong end of things and still be correct WillTwain Mar 2015 #231

And my life experiences ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #241

Then all is lost WillTwain Mar 2015 #243

Hope is far less effective than ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #244

Hillary Clinton's HILLPAC donated to Sanders' Senate campaign. MADem Mar 2015 #135

Yea, and they are both so poor! leftofcool Mar 2015 #48

At least donnasgirl Mar 2015 #62

FDR, LBJ, Huey Long WillTwain Mar 2015 #65

I agree donnasgirl Mar 2015 #72

You are not crazy WillTwain Mar 2015 #279

Agree, tired of corporate slick & the disappointers. The cry for humanity & passion that these appalachiablue Mar 2015 #277

I am strong but losing faith in humanity WillTwain Mar 2015 #280

To bad donnasgirl Mar 2015 #289

There are only a handful of good leaders WillTwain Mar 2015 #290

And that is a big Amen Will. donnasgirl Mar 2015 #292

You might disagree donnasgirl Mar 2015 #293

Sherrod is great, along with many reps in the progressive caucus WillTwain Mar 2015 #295

That's about the extent of strong leaders today which is very slim given the times and for appalachiablue Mar 2015 #294

You know what really scares me WillTwain Mar 2015 #296

Nope and that's too bad, what a change in one generation. I've heard of appalachiablue Mar 2015 #291

At the very least wyldwolf Mar 2015 #66

I think this was already discussed WillTwain Mar 2015 #68

ok, let's look at the 'bills and proposals they have behind them.' wyldwolf Mar 2015 #74

It is still more than can be said for Hillary or Barack WillTwain Mar 2015 #79

you just avoided your own criteria wyldwolf Mar 2015 #87

See comment 79 WillTwain Mar 2015 #92

I responded to comment 79, which is why I asked you again. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #94

See Comment 92 and 79 WillTwain Mar 2015 #97

Again, you can't provide evidence of your claim - in either post wyldwolf Mar 2015 #99

Add comment 97 to your must read list. WillTwain Mar 2015 #103

Just did and it's more of the same. You make a claim then run away from it. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #105

Hillary points fingers, too. She just points them away from the culprits. Marr Mar 2015 #91

If nothing else challenging her may make her a better candidate WillTwain Mar 2015 #104

There is a huge difference regarding 'talkers' between those who speak from the heart AND sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #130

How can they doubt Bernies integrity? It is so small. WillTwain Mar 2015 #187

Thank you. nt daredtowork Mar 2015 #185

+10. n/t whathehell Mar 2015 #232

Great...can you name one Senator from the Right willing to address it at all... Sheepshank Mar 2015 #4

Actually, it is a nuanced observation. WillTwain Mar 2015 #6

not seeing any nuanced observation. But you can back track if you like n/t Sheepshank Mar 2015 #7

No back tracking WillTwain Mar 2015 #9

DU is a lot like whack-a-mole CANDO Mar 2015 #36

Tell me about it. WillTwain Mar 2015 #43

Don't you need five hides to get a ninety day time out?/NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #272

Gawd, that's hysterical wyldwolf Mar 2015 #58

He was making an honest observation. CANDO Mar 2015 #106

which means no one can reply to his OP unless they agree with him?? wyldwolf Mar 2015 #111

No it doesn't CANDO Mar 2015 #113

We can reply in any manner we choose. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #127

Hogwash CANDO Mar 2015 #149

"Now it's OK to accuse others of any sort of ism" wyldwolf Mar 2015 #151

Isms are lazy WillTwain Mar 2015 #157

True - so you shouldn't resort to them wyldwolf Mar 2015 #159

Please Cite WillTwain Mar 2015 #160

Oh? CANDO Mar 2015 #217

I'm not surprised you used those words wyldwolf Mar 2015 #218

Bless your snark CANDO Mar 2015 #233

nothing but what you just admitted in post #217 wyldwolf Mar 2015 #235

Be gone with you now.... CANDO Mar 2015 #238

You're a fan of medieval-type fantasy movies I'd bet. "be gone with you!" wyldwolf Mar 2015 #240

It is truly upside down WillTwain Mar 2015 #222

Pretty much describes certain topics on DU CANDO Mar 2015 #236

you've made several remarks that indicate you've been around longer than your post count indicates wyldwolf Mar 2015 #237

I question her authenticity, you question my character, and somehow WillTwain Mar 2015 #116

I question your knowledge of the subject matter wyldwolf Mar 2015 #118

To steal a line from Reagan "There you go again." WillTwain Mar 2015 #124

A personal attack? You consider disagreeing with you a personal attack? wyldwolf Mar 2015 #126

You questioned my "knowledge" WillTwain Mar 2015 #129

On the subject matter, I do. About those 'bills and proposals' wyldwolf Mar 2015 #133

It always gets personal because personal attack is all these types of persons have. They ND-Dem Mar 2015 #285

Marx wrote about unequal wealth distribution in the nineteenth century. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #13

Will She? WillTwain Mar 2015 #14

She will probably do as much as her predecessor./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #16

I want a time machine WillTwain Mar 2015 #17

You might be disappointed... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #18

Jimmy was also big on energy independence and peace WillTwain Mar 2015 #19

Jimmy was a big proponent of Welfare reform. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #28

Carter also increased defense spending to 10b daredtowork Mar 2015 #196

It doesn't resemble Clinton's positions in the least. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #286

It resembles it greatly wyldwolf Mar 2015 #287

Carter was a fairly right leaning Democrat that is now painted as a liberal TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #131

Thanks for your insights on Jimmy WillTwain Mar 2015 #144

And this coming from someone who lives in a million dollar mansion? leftofcool Mar 2015 #51

Something tells me (call it a gut feeling), CANDO Mar 2015 #39

I do not want you to be right WillTwain Mar 2015 #71

They call things like the TPP 'battling inequality'. Marr Mar 2015 #98

Agree CANDO Mar 2015 #110

I thought she was raised in a pretty middle-class home. ???? patricia92243 Mar 2015 #5

So was Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio WillTwain Mar 2015 #8

Yeah ok. Find me where Rubio and Cruz address income inequality. JaneyVee Mar 2015 #10

Actually, Rethugs across the board are talking about it. WillTwain Mar 2015 #12

"Bernie has already put out a twelve point plan. Where is hillary's?" wyldwolf Mar 2015 #40

And she lost to a virtual unknown donnasgirl Mar 2015 #69

Which is irrelevant to this discussion. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #70

So now convention keynote speakers are "virtual unknowns..?" MADem Mar 2015 #141

Lip service... CANDO Mar 2015 #53

Thanks for the warning WillTwain Mar 2015 #59

Yep. Love hearing the "tone and delivery" bullshit thrown at women too.... bettyellen Mar 2015 #21

Explain please WillTwain Mar 2015 #31

google tone + feminists for about a thousand million articles bettyellen Mar 2015 #44

Watch your tone WillTwain Mar 2015 #67

Heard that one before, lol. bettyellen Mar 2015 #76

And in a reactionary fashion... CANDO Mar 2015 #77

Now this is a wise man/woman WillTwain Mar 2015 #81

Because it's not at all about the content but delivery..... bettyellen Mar 2015 #85

This has to stop WillTwain Mar 2015 #88

Links to questioning "Cheney's tone", please? bettyellen Mar 2015 #90

And now the big pissing contest ensues... CANDO Mar 2015 #96

Most people are guilty of a little sexism now and again- and discussing it is a good thing. bettyellen Mar 2015 #100

Go ahead and hide behind your magical shield CANDO Mar 2015 #145

Lol, sorry you're saddened by any discussion of sexist tropes.... bettyellen Mar 2015 #215

What sexist trope is CANDO saddened by? WillTwain Mar 2015 #223

Magical Shield is a perfect description WillTwain Mar 2015 #101

"Acttivist" as a pejorative is a new one. OilemFirchen Mar 2015 #226

OMG he spotted his self a radical frm SJW! The horrors! bettyellen Mar 2015 #250

Funny, I thought Liz Warren was a woman DonCoquixote Mar 2015 #247

I hope Warren gets a lot more experience and runs- unless she is a hawk too..... bettyellen Mar 2015 #249

Apparently not, according to the latest "Libs don't like Hillary because they're misogynists" meme. MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #253

Authored by a DUer? WillTwain Mar 2015 #257

It's all they have Mnpaul Mar 2015 #276

Great Context WillTwain Mar 2015 #255

Park Ridge, IL is upper middle class. nt City Lights Mar 2015 #30

Upper middle class, actually. hedda_foil Mar 2015 #260

Here's a much better example of a wonderful woman talking about class and wealth. OMG! NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #22

That is what I am talking about. WillTwain Mar 2015 #33

No script. No notes. 100% Passion. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #47

After showing much more compassion for the banks sadoldgirl Mar 2015 #23

Cannot agree more. WillTwain Mar 2015 #34

Watch Bill Clintons 2008, or 2012 convention speech Johonny Mar 2015 #24

Bill was the best talker of our time. WillTwain Mar 2015 #35

It should come naturally to her. She was dead broke at one time Capt. Obvious Mar 2015 #25

It was posted on DU recently that Hillary has over 200 fiscal advisers; yet, she has no solutions? closeupready Mar 2015 #37

Exactly WillTwain Mar 2015 #46

"yet, she has no solutions?" How do you know she has no solutions? wyldwolf Mar 2015 #115

She offered none. closeupready Mar 2015 #120

So? wyldwolf Mar 2015 #121

If you're fine with a whiney president, I'm fine with you being fine with her. closeupready Mar 2015 #123

ok, thanks! We appreciate your support. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #138

If you are hoarding your money for later WillTwain Mar 2015 #128

Good news is Trumka will endorse her...sooner rather than later. ileus Mar 2015 #41

Do you know inside info? WillTwain Mar 2015 #50

Yes, he will. leftofcool Mar 2015 #52

How do you know this? WillTwain Mar 2015 #55

Maybe a little bird or maybe my son but I am not going to say at the moment. leftofcool Mar 2015 #80

You really are cool leftofcool WillTwain Mar 2015 #82

I assume you are not a Union member. Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #153

I am a proud long-time union member WillTwain Mar 2015 #156

he came very close to doing it last summer wyldwolf Mar 2015 #61

Absolutely wrong WillTwain Mar 2015 #84

" I think she is very, very qualified to be president," wyldwolf Mar 2015 #89

She is a great American, one of the best WillTwain Mar 2015 #93

She's a fish outta water when she leaves the Beltway. Eleanors38 Mar 2015 #42

She'll adapt and be a great president !!! uponit7771 Mar 2015 #56

Maybe WillTwain Mar 2015 #63

There's no more certainty, that's reality... uponit7771 Mar 2015 #143

For whom? winter is coming Mar 2015 #112

For America uponit7771 Mar 2015 #142

Corporate America, maybe. n/t winter is coming Mar 2015 #168

With her all her experience, adaptation??? That shouldn't really be an issue HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #170

Remember the story from years ago, where she did not know how to put gas in a car. LiberalArkie Mar 2015 #78

Valid Point WillTwain Mar 2015 #95

yeah, I remember Rush Limbaugh talking about that, among other things... wyldwolf Mar 2015 #109

Holy shit, its the rarely-seen Logic Triple Jump. Marr Mar 2015 #114

Holy shit! It's the 'defense at all costs' triple jump. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #117

What 'discussion'? You just made a lame, fumbling attempt to paint someone as a Limbaugh fan. /nt Marr Mar 2015 #179

Context matters even on the net wyldwolf Mar 2015 #183

It was reported in everything from CBS News to the Huffington Post. Marr Mar 2015 #197

Look at post #78 and provide links to support the contention wyldwolf Mar 2015 #202

I literally have no idea what you're talking about. /nt Marr Mar 2015 #211

In the post directly above what you just responded to, you seemed to have all the answers. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #212

Are you asking me to provide a link to the story on CBS News or Huff Post? Marr Mar 2015 #252

Wyldwolf is in a corner, again. WillTwain Mar 2015 #256

See post 262. oops. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #263

Yes, and you failed to do so wyldwolf Mar 2015 #262

RW smears seem to be par for the course here lately. great white snark Mar 2015 #119

Like President Obama said in 'Audacity of Hope' ... wyldwolf Mar 2015 #125

Hit me with some right-wing smears against Bernie WillTwain Mar 2015 #134

No thanks. I'll leave that kind of thing to 'progressives.' You're so good at it. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #136

Come on you must have a laundry list on the tip of your tongue WillTwain Mar 2015 #146

I do. I just don't use them. Unlike you. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #148

Aw, come on just the top 20 WillTwain Mar 2015 #161

I'll leave the right wing smears to you. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #165

I refuse to use the right wing smears against any Democrat whether I like them or not leftofcool Mar 2015 #154

I am just trying to make him/her put her money where his/her mouth is WillTwain Mar 2015 #162

So do I. WillTwain, on the other hand, has no problem with it. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #164

Can you point out the right wing "smears?" WillTwain Mar 2015 #166

post #95, 'valid point.' wyldwolf Mar 2015 #169

Very weak WillTwain Mar 2015 #171

So saying a right wing smear is a 'valid point' is cool to you? wyldwolf Mar 2015 #173

Explain the right-wing smear. WillTwain Mar 2015 #177

The only source for it is from right-wing sources wyldwolf Mar 2015 #184

Source of what? WillTwain Mar 2015 #188

Of what you said was a valid point wyldwolf Mar 2015 #189

Huh? WillTwain Mar 2015 #191

Huh? wyldwolf Mar 2015 #193

Huh? WillTwain Mar 2015 #265

Huh? wyldwolf Mar 2015 #267

The Bible says man is better to be alone in a desert than live with a contentious wife. WillTwain Mar 2015 #268

Sounds like you'd be better off single. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #269

Huh? WillTwain Mar 2015 #270

Huh? wyldwolf Mar 2015 #271

So is Elizabeth Warren. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #155

Her "every word is a study in calculated artifice." Smarmie Doofus Mar 2015 #132

Triangulator in chief WillTwain Mar 2015 #139

This is why Republicans Win Elections itcfish Mar 2015 #152

Like they did in 2008 and 2012 WillTwain Mar 2015 #158

You are quite correct sadoldgirl Mar 2015 #180

THere are sad times. WillTwain Mar 2015 #186

Anyone else feel their teeth rotting? OilemFirchen Mar 2015 #239

Lol. 'progressives' can't win national elections so... wyldwolf Mar 2015 #194

You have an uncanny ability to strip intelligence out of every conversation WillTwain Mar 2015 #203

Diverting from the topic again, I see. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #204

What is your topic? WillTwain Mar 2015 #206

I'll ask you again: Is every Democrat you can't beat a 'stealth Republican?' wyldwolf Mar 2015 #207

I voted for Bill and Barack both times. WillTwain Mar 2015 #209

But you just called Obama a 'stealth Republican.' Did he trick you? LOL wyldwolf Mar 2015 #210

In 2008, I got behind him. By 2009, I knew better but by 2012 it was Obama or Romney/Ryan WillTwain Mar 2015 #213

So Obama AND Edwards 'stealth Republicans' who tricked you. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #214

No, Edwards was great on labor issues WillTwain Mar 2015 #216

He would have made a great used car salesman wyldwolf Mar 2015 #220

Why? WillTwain Mar 2015 #224

he tricked someone as politically astute as you. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #225

How? When? WillTwain Mar 2015 #229

How? By making you believe him. When? Apparently it's ongoing wyldwolf Mar 2015 #234

People evolve like Obama on marriage equality WillTwain Mar 2015 #245

Sure they do. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #246

This message was self-deleted by its author Scrabbleddie Mar 2015 #163

That girl never worked a real job in her life Android3.14 Mar 2015 #167

She may understand WillTwain Mar 2015 #172

She has zero charisma, that's one of her problems LittleBlue Mar 2015 #174

Some politicians have the gift of seeming sincere, whether or not they actually are. winter is coming Mar 2015 #176

Bullseye WillTwain Mar 2015 #178

Exactly. Bill's charisma is like a force of nature LittleBlue Mar 2015 #182

He is amazing. WillTwain Mar 2015 #190

Can't stand Bill Clinton or much of what he did - but I have to agree he's a magnetic speaker. closeupready Mar 2015 #195

She's uncomfortable campaigning, uncomfortable with people and it shows tularetom Mar 2015 #228

Nice Post WillTwain Mar 2015 #254

Now if I was interested in presenting a candidate I would show their strong points and talk about Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #181

This post is about authenticity. WillTwain Mar 2015 #192

Then I can post about his credibility and why Hillary is qualified and can win. Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #199

Certainly WillTwain Mar 2015 #200

She has the same light touch as a German jazz band. hifiguy Mar 2015 #198

+! appalachiablue Mar 2015 #282

The following clip demonstrates how FAR out of touch Hillary is... bvar22 Mar 2015 #201

She is more at ease when it is bank executives she is speaking to. That is after all her crowd. liberal_at_heart Mar 2015 #205

It is amazing how her phrasing gets tighter depending on the subject. WillTwain Mar 2015 #208

That's Because It's Foreign To Her... And Many Of Her Colleagues & Supporters WillyT Mar 2015 #230

I feel your poverty ......is that going to sell? quadrature Mar 2015 #248

FDR meant it and he was rich. For some reason he enjoyed humiliating the powerful. WillTwain Mar 2015 #258

Hillary is trying out her best Elizabeth impersonation, but it just comes across as forced, not genuine. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #259

A few lessons in method acting WillTwain Mar 2015 #266

She even had Rahm sputtering...... DeSwiss Mar 2015 #261

She may have been refering to fresh ideas JEB Mar 2015 #283