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In reply to the discussion: Hillary Is Like A Fish Out of Water When Talking About Class Issues [View all]wyldwolf
(43,891 posts)287. It resembles it greatly
The 90s-era welfare reform bill was based on the plan from the 1976 DNC platform that Jimmy Carter campaigned on and embraced.
No one has said the Carter administration followed through on it. I certainly didn't. Maybe he lacked the votes in Congress.
Fundamental welfare reform is necessary. The problems with our current chaotic and inequitable system of public assistance are notorious. Existing welfare programs encourage family instability. They have few meaningful work incentives. They do little or nothing for the working poor on substandard incomes. The patchwork of federal, state and local programs encourages unfair variations in benefit levels among the states, and benefits in many states are well below the standards for even lowest-income budgets.
vs. Bill Clinton's statement:
All Americans, without regard to party, know that our welfare system is broken, that it teaches the wrong values, rewards the wrong choices, hurts those it was meant to help. We also know that no one wants to change the current system in a good way more than people who are trapped in it.
One line in particular sounds like how the GOP typically describes welfare: "The problems with our current chaotic and inequitable system of public assistance are notorious. Existing welfare programs encourage family instability."
One line in particular sounds like how the GOP typically describes welfare: "The problems with our current chaotic and inequitable system of public assistance are notorious. Existing welfare programs encourage family instability."
vs. Barack Obama:
conservatives and Bill Clinton were right about welfare as it was previously structured: By detaching income from work and by making no demands on welfare recipients other than a tolerance for intrusive bureaucracy and an assurance that no man lived in the same house as the mother of his children, the old A.F.D.C. program sapped people of their initiative and eroded their self respect.
For that matter, the statements were all very Bobby Kennedy-like.
Clinton's Welfare Reforms Shaped by Predecessors' Frustrated Efforts
WASHINGTON Richard Nixon promised "total welfare reform--the transformation of a system frozen in failure." Jimmy Carter asked Congress "to abolish our existing welfare system." Ronald Reagan called for "real and lasting emancipation" from welfare.
Now comes Bill Clinton, who will release a reform plan in Kansas City today that is intended to redeem his promise "to end welfare as we know it."
Like his predecessors', Clinton's plan begins with the assumption that the welfare system has failed both the taxpaying public and those it is intended to help. But, in both its ambitions and its modesty, Clinton's plan has been shaped by the frustrations that these earlier reform efforts left behind.... Clinton's plan envisions much more incremental change in the welfare system than the sweeping reforms Nixon and Carter offered.
http://articles.latimes.com/1994-06-14/news/mn-3972_1_welfare-reform-effort
WASHINGTON Richard Nixon promised "total welfare reform--the transformation of a system frozen in failure." Jimmy Carter asked Congress "to abolish our existing welfare system." Ronald Reagan called for "real and lasting emancipation" from welfare.
Now comes Bill Clinton, who will release a reform plan in Kansas City today that is intended to redeem his promise "to end welfare as we know it."
Like his predecessors', Clinton's plan begins with the assumption that the welfare system has failed both the taxpaying public and those it is intended to help. But, in both its ambitions and its modesty, Clinton's plan has been shaped by the frustrations that these earlier reform efforts left behind.... Clinton's plan envisions much more incremental change in the welfare system than the sweeping reforms Nixon and Carter offered.
http://articles.latimes.com/1994-06-14/news/mn-3972_1_welfare-reform-effort
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Hillary Is Like A Fish Out of Water When Talking About Class Issues [View all]
WillTwain
Mar 2015
OP
I don't think any of the politicians mentioned in this sad, tear-down thread are "all talk."
MADem
Mar 2015
#102
From Gallup an organization that has been dropped by many mainstream papers for
betterdemsonly
Mar 2015
#251
that just means 71% approved of him over his Republican opponent in a deep blue state
wyldwolf
Mar 2015
#57
He will, IF the Party Leadership provide the funds they are providing for the 'only candidate'
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#140
What funds are the Party Leadership providing for the 'only candidate' ...
1StrongBlackMan
Mar 2015
#150
Agree, tired of corporate slick & the disappointers. The cry for humanity & passion that these
appalachiablue
Mar 2015
#277
That's about the extent of strong leaders today which is very slim given the times and for
appalachiablue
Mar 2015
#294
Nope and that's too bad, what a change in one generation. I've heard of
appalachiablue
Mar 2015
#291
There is a huge difference regarding 'talkers' between those who speak from the heart AND
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#130
Great...can you name one Senator from the Right willing to address it at all...
Sheepshank
Mar 2015
#4
you've made several remarks that indicate you've been around longer than your post count indicates
wyldwolf
Mar 2015
#237
It always gets personal because personal attack is all these types of persons have. They
ND-Dem
Mar 2015
#285
Marx wrote about unequal wealth distribution in the nineteenth century.
DemocratSinceBirth
Mar 2015
#13
Carter was a fairly right leaning Democrat that is now painted as a liberal
TheKentuckian
Mar 2015
#131
Most people are guilty of a little sexism now and again- and discussing it is a good thing.
bettyellen
Mar 2015
#100
I hope Warren gets a lot more experience and runs- unless she is a hawk too.....
bettyellen
Mar 2015
#249
Apparently not, according to the latest "Libs don't like Hillary because they're misogynists" meme.
MannyGoldstein
Mar 2015
#253
Here's a much better example of a wonderful woman talking about class and wealth. OMG!
NYC_SKP
Mar 2015
#22
It was posted on DU recently that Hillary has over 200 fiscal advisers; yet, she has no solutions?
closeupready
Mar 2015
#37
If you're fine with a whiney president, I'm fine with you being fine with her.
closeupready
Mar 2015
#123
Maybe a little bird or maybe my son but I am not going to say at the moment.
leftofcool
Mar 2015
#80
With her all her experience, adaptation??? That shouldn't really be an issue
HereSince1628
Mar 2015
#170
Remember the story from years ago, where she did not know how to put gas in a car.
LiberalArkie
Mar 2015
#78
What 'discussion'? You just made a lame, fumbling attempt to paint someone as a Limbaugh fan. /nt
Marr
Mar 2015
#179
In the post directly above what you just responded to, you seemed to have all the answers.
wyldwolf
Mar 2015
#212
No thanks. I'll leave that kind of thing to 'progressives.' You're so good at it.
wyldwolf
Mar 2015
#136
I refuse to use the right wing smears against any Democrat whether I like them or not
leftofcool
Mar 2015
#154
The Bible says man is better to be alone in a desert than live with a contentious wife.
WillTwain
Mar 2015
#268
In 2008, I got behind him. By 2009, I knew better but by 2012 it was Obama or Romney/Ryan
WillTwain
Mar 2015
#213
Some politicians have the gift of seeming sincere, whether or not they actually are.
winter is coming
Mar 2015
#176
Can't stand Bill Clinton or much of what he did - but I have to agree he's a magnetic speaker.
closeupready
Mar 2015
#195
Now if I was interested in presenting a candidate I would show their strong points and talk about
Thinkingabout
Mar 2015
#181
Then I can post about his credibility and why Hillary is qualified and can win.
Thinkingabout
Mar 2015
#199
She is more at ease when it is bank executives she is speaking to. That is after all her crowd.
liberal_at_heart
Mar 2015
#205
FDR meant it and he was rich. For some reason he enjoyed humiliating the powerful.
WillTwain
Mar 2015
#258
Hillary is trying out her best Elizabeth impersonation, but it just comes across as forced, not genuine.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Mar 2015
#259