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xchrom

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Sat May 5, 2012, 06:39 AM May 2012

Karl Marx: 10 great quotes on his birthday [View all]

http://www.csmonitor.com/Books/2012/0504/Karl-Marx-10-great-quotes-on-his-birthday/On-the-99-percent



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1. On 'the 99 percent'

"You are horrified at our intending to do away with private property. But in your existing society, private property is already done away with for nine-tenths of the population; its existence for the few is solely due to its non-existence in the hands of those nine-tenths." (From "The Communist Manifesto," 1848)

2. On Ponzi schemes

"In every stockjobbing swindle every one knows that some time or other the crash must come, but every one hopes that it may fall on the head of his neighbor, after he himself has caught the shower of gold and placed it in safety." (From "Capital: Critique of Political Economy," 1867)


3. On slacking off at work

"Capital is dead labor, that, vampire-like, only lives by sucking living labor, and lives the more, the more labour it sucks. The time during which the laborer works, is the time during which the capitalist consumes the labor-power he has purchased of him.

"If the laborer consumes his disposable time for himself, he robs the capitalist." (From "Capital&quot


4. On worker protections

"Capital is reckless of the health or length of life of the laborer, unless under compulsion from society." (From "Capital&quot


5. On religion

"Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people." (From the "Introduction to the Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right," 1843)

6. On drudgery

"The fact that labour is external to the worker, i.e., it does not belong to his intrinsic nature; that in his work, therefore he does not affirm himself but denies himself, does not feel content but unhappy, does not develop freely his physical and mental energy but mortifies his body and his mind. The worker therefore only feels himself outside his work, and in his work feels outside himself." (From "Estranged Labour," 1844)


7. On consumerism

"Private property has made us so stupid and one-sided that an object is only ours when we have it – when it exists for us as capital, or when it is directly possessed, eaten, drunk, worn, inhabited, etc., – in short, when it is used by us. Although private property itself again conceives all these direct realisations of possession only as means of life, and the life which they serve as means is the life of private property – labour and conversion into capital." (From "Private Property and Communism," 1844)


8. On the mainstream media

"The ideas of the ruling class are in every epoch the ruling ideas, i.e. the class which is the ruling material force of society, is at the same time its ruling intellectual force. The class which has the means of material production at its disposal, has control at the same time over the means of mental production, so that thereby, generally speaking, the ideas of those who lack the means of mental production are subject to it. The ruling ideas are nothing more than the ideal expression of the dominant material relationships, the dominant material relationships grasped as ideas." (From "The German Ideology," 1845)


9. On not wanting to be pigeonholed

"For as soon as the distribution of labour comes into being, each man has a particular exclusive sphere of activity, which is forced upon him and from which he cannot escape. He is a hunter, a fisherman, a shepherd, or a critical critic and must remain so if he does not wish to lose his means of livelihood; while in communist society, where nobody has one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, society regulates the general production and thus makes it possible for me to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, to fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticize after dinner, just as I have in mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, shepherd or critic." (From "The German Ideology&quot


10. On Marxism

"If anything is certain, it is that I myself am not a Marxist." (Quoted by Friedrich Engels, in a letter to Eduard Bernstein, 1882)
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The 10th ,proves he was an existentialist orpupilofnature57 May 2012 #1
K&R Brickbat May 2012 #2
K&R bahrbearian May 2012 #3
If he hadn't lived in England he couldn't have observed Ichingcarpenter May 2012 #4
IIRC, he also put bread on the table by working coalition_unwilling May 2012 #21
i'll give this 1 kick. nt xchrom May 2012 #5
Here's another. Egalitarian Thug May 2012 #74
How about noting just what a horse's ass Karl Marx was. Archae May 2012 #6
... xchrom May 2012 #7
I don't understand either post Ichingcarpenter May 2012 #9
i ribbing him -- because marx was right. xchrom May 2012 #10
Marx's view of human nature is a failure. Archae May 2012 #11
Thanks Archaic never thought I'd have such an understanding Ichingcarpenter May 2012 #13
Name just one success Marx had. Archae May 2012 #14
Unions, women's vote, socialistic Teddy Roosevelt's national parks Ichingcarpenter May 2012 #17
You attribte all those to Marx? former9thward May 2012 #24
130 years after he died, people are posting his ideas on an internet message board, Zorra May 2012 #18
On the internet you will find people posting the ideas of Stalin, Hitler, Lenin and Mao former9thward May 2012 #23
And Marx has nothing in common with any of them Bjorn Against May 2012 #28
Well, I do think Lenin and Marx share the commonality of dialectical materialism. Lenin turned coalition_unwilling May 2012 #79
Alright, I suppose I can accept some similarities with Lenin as far as ideology goes Bjorn Against May 2012 #87
Dialectical materialism and historical materialism only have one outcome, imo. joshcryer May 2012 #95
Thank you, Zorra. hifiguy May 2012 #43
You do realize that he was one of the key founders of modern social science? Bjorn Against May 2012 #32
hahahaha obamanut2012 May 2012 #103
You are so full of shit as to stagger belief. Are you seriously coalition_unwilling May 2012 #20
Every regime you just mentioned is/was bad for the people. UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #29
I was replying to post #11's general incoherence and coalition_unwilling May 2012 #52
And you would be wrong. But believe whatever you want. UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #53
Your mere assertion does not make it so. But you believe whatever you want - n/t coalition_unwilling May 2012 #81
Absolutely nothing would convince you. UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #85
There are no utopias in Marx. He was an analyst of capitalism, not a designer of utopias. HiPointDem May 2012 #35
castro's cuba is a much better place than batista's nt arely staircase May 2012 #49
Not for the pimps and 1%ers (jk :) - n/t coalition_unwilling May 2012 #82
Castro's Cuba has an incarceration rate that rivals the US's. joshcryer May 2012 #94
i am not an apoligist for castro's human rights record arely staircase May 2012 #99
As we watch Cuba slowly return to a free marked economy hack89 May 2012 #97
that's what they said when the USSR collapsed. nt arely staircase May 2012 #100
Without nuclear weapons, Russia would be nothing hack89 May 2012 #107
Russia was held up by the Eastern Bloc which they occupied for decades (Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact). joshcryer May 2012 #111
i think you misunderstood me arely staircase May 2012 #121
Sorry - got it now. nt hack89 May 2012 #122
Cuba is on the verge of political revolution, and Capriles will not cut them off. joshcryer May 2012 #108
So the people of Veneuzula have no say in the matter? hack89 May 2012 #110
Capriles, the likely next President of Venezuela, will be elected by the people. joshcryer May 2012 #112
"Gattungswesen" is not "human nature." Marx's view of "human nature" was fine. joshcryer May 2012 #93
How do you expect to get there, then? white_wolf May 2012 #109
You go around capitalism. joshcryer May 2012 #113
Actually, Marx was most definitely NOT a Utopian. OrwellwasRight May 2012 #114
Fatally wrong. hifiguy May 2012 #41
I don't disagree w/ you. Nt xchrom May 2012 #45
Oh yeah, things are SOOOO different now.......... socialist_n_TN May 2012 #16
What was the true intent and philosophy of Karl Marx? scatalogical May 2012 #26
what was marx chief aim? scatalogical May 2012 #30
Engels was stated as saying Marx was a "monster" ??? LAGC May 2012 #38
If so, I'm sure the comment was completely taken out of context. white_wolf May 2012 #44
from the sources I have read scatalogical May 2012 #63
Source that, please. white_wolf May 2012 #64
Post removed Post removed May 2012 #65
Seriously? white_wolf May 2012 #66
A bit unsettling isnt it? scatalogical May 2012 #67
The only thing unsettling is that you actually seem believe it. white_wolf May 2012 #68
whether I choose to believe it does not really matter. scatalogical May 2012 #70
Where are the article's citations? Bjorn Against May 2012 #78
The authoritative source is "Moody Church Media Ministries". lol. HiPointDem May 2012 #86
Wow how could you find a more authoritive source than Moody Church Media Ministries! Bjorn Against May 2012 #90
Moody is crazy obamanut2012 May 2012 #104
Yeah, Christian dominionist garbage is pretty unsettling to find on a democratic chatboard. HiPointDem May 2012 #88
the sources you've read like fake quotes. as i already demonstrated re the "monster" quote. HiPointDem May 2012 #83
I find no such quote in the most complete database of Marx/Engels work that exists. HiPointDem May 2012 #51
Marx was a 'reactionary'????? Hunh???? You might want coalition_unwilling May 2012 #19
Not everyone can be a furry. nt. Starry Messenger May 2012 #25
The very first sentence of your main post discredits you. white_wolf May 2012 #31
"The very first sentence of you main post discredits you" - LOL. apocalypsehow May 2012 #36
Is that all you've got? white_wolf May 2012 #39
He was certainly right about what was wrong then and now eridani May 2012 #91
That word doesn't mean what you think it means obamanut2012 May 2012 #101
K & R. snagglepuss May 2012 #8
k&r Starry Messenger May 2012 #12
marx was a terrible prognosticator (history not being a science but a humanity) arely staircase May 2012 #15
Entire university faculties of history will take issue with your coalition_unwilling May 2012 #22
and i would humbly disagree wih each and every one arely staircase May 2012 #27
Well, I was mainly joking, but typically history is coalition_unwilling May 2012 #50
oh i read everything from feminist social historians to traditional military historians arely staircase May 2012 #54
Yes, indeed they do. janx May 2012 #48
his prognostications being? HiPointDem May 2012 #56
that the failures of capitalism and class arely staircase May 2012 #58
that's one prognostication. nothing to say about any others? HiPointDem May 2012 #59
not at the arely staircase May 2012 #60
um, because there were some preconditions....and preconditional prognostications? HiPointDem May 2012 #69
ok, well give me some arely staircase May 2012 #73
don't want to give you anything, just sounding you out on marx's prognostications. you sounded HiPointDem May 2012 #76
so no interest in enlightening me? arely staircase May 2012 #77
you claimed marx's prognostications failed. just wanted to see what you were talking about. HiPointDem May 2012 #80
and you asked for an example, i gave you one and asked for contrary examples and you had nothing. arely staircase May 2012 #98
i didn't ask for "examples", i asked: "his prognostication*s* being?" so no, it doesn't. HiPointDem May 2012 #106
and you still have nothing nt arely staircase May 2012 #118
and you never had anything but what you read in the mainstream media -- other people HiPointDem May 2012 #119
and given your reluctance (or inability) to enlighten us arely staircase May 2012 #120
you made the claim. i asked you to back it up. you can't, you just have boilerplate. HiPointDem May 2012 #123
lol nt arely staircase May 2012 #124
lol yourself. you don't know bupkis about marx or his prognostications. HiPointDem May 2012 #125
K&R Odin2005 May 2012 #33
why do you guys have be to so disrespectful josephslaton May 2012 #34
Post #11 represents ignorance, shrillness and slander, all coalition_unwilling May 2012 #84
Great discussion steve2470 May 2012 #37
Wasn't Napoleon always painted like that? white_wolf May 2012 #40
I think he was, yes nt steve2470 May 2012 #42
That was a usual pose then obamanut2012 May 2012 #105
Not only did Lincoln and Marx correspond, hifiguy May 2012 #46
I celebrate Marx's, Lennons, Socrates and Jeffersons's birth Ichingcarpenter May 2012 #47
Socrates Cave and the Communist Manifesto orpupilofnature57 May 2012 #55
Wasn't the cave Plato's idea? white_wolf May 2012 #57
yes it was arely staircase May 2012 #61
It's all Plato mathematic May 2012 #62
Materialist ???? Behaviorist orpupilofnature57 May 2012 #96
you've got nothing to lose but a DURec, comrade. KG May 2012 #71
You forgot..... whistler162 May 2012 #72
What I first noticed lordsummerisle May 2012 #75
K&R....n/t unkachuck May 2012 #89
I loves me my Marxist fire department. eridani May 2012 #92
Note this is from the Christian Science Monitor, not Pravda obamanut2012 May 2012 #102
No thanks, not going to celebrate Marx usregimechange May 2012 #115
His analysis of capitalism is being proven true everyday... white_wolf May 2012 #116
k/r Dawson Leery May 2012 #117
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