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zeemike

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40. So our congress is the enemy because they might raise issues

Fri Apr 17, 2015, 01:47 PM

Apr 2015

Well it seems to me that is why we have three branches of government and separation of powers so that issues can be raised and the debate can happen.
If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.
Government in the sunshine is nothing to fear, but it has been framed that way, and this trade deal has nothing to do with our national security but a lot to do with our sovereignty as a nation.

I find it troubling that some Democrats are now supporting secrecy and trade deals that hurt working people they claim to represent...and all in the name of party loyalty.

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Fast Track Bill Would Legitimize White House Secrecy and Clear the Way for Anti-User Trade Deals [View all] Faryn Balyncd Apr 2015 OP

'Chief Transparency Officer' seems pretty 1984ish. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #1

It certainly is. Faryn Balyncd Apr 2015 #2

I just wish the defenders would choose between "this is good for American workers" and djean111 Apr 2015 #3

What about Paul Krugman who basically says, "Meh."? randome Apr 2015 #5

We have been running that race to the bottom now for a while zeemike Apr 2015 #7

They sure do seem to vacillate between those two memes a lot, don't they? Populist_Prole Apr 2015 #26

Nothing "liberal" about this, dgibby Apr 2015 #35

it's the same group that insists, "Hillary is really liberal", and "of course she's not Doctor_J Apr 2015 #67

I expected better of people who write for a living. randome Apr 2015 #4

It's trying to put in place many ways to bypass what our founders had intended for passing treaties cascadiance Apr 2015 #8

Well said. n/t fasttense Apr 2015 #12

I would vote Punx Apr 2015 #22

Yet you can't state WHY it's a bad bill. randome Apr 2015 #23

W Post: Trans-Pacific Partnership treaty will help neither workers nor consumers Omaha Steve Apr 2015 #47

Do you think Treaties are, or have been, worked out by Congress? ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #27

Or how I learned to stop worrying and love the TPP. zeemike Apr 2015 #10

The negotiations are secret for the same reason the Iran nuclear deal was secret. randome Apr 2015 #20

But that's un-democratic ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #30

Sure. Everything our government does should be put up for a vote. randome Apr 2015 #56

So moved. Is there a second? ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #60

Exactly. If we had told the other 11 parties to the TPP negotiations that our Congress Hoyt Apr 2015 #34

So our congress is the enemy because they might raise issues zeemike Apr 2015 #40

I sometimes think Congress IS the enemy, at least the Conservative part of it. randome Apr 2015 #58

I think you are confused. More Republicans than Democrats are supporting Obama pushing the TPP... cascadiance Apr 2015 #61

So then, why is OK for corporations to have a hand in writing this but LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #42

It isn't okay, from my point of view. randome Apr 2015 #53

And for that matter environmental groups should also be involved too... cascadiance Apr 2015 #62

WE don't get to see it until FOUR years after it is passed!!! Omaha Steve Apr 2015 #11

No, that four year secrecy regards the negotiations that led to the agreement. randome Apr 2015 #16

OOPS your wrong we don't have to listen to you make stuff up anymore Omaha Steve Apr 2015 #46

Thanks for that link Babel_17 Apr 2015 #64

You seem like a rose colored glasses kind of person. lark Apr 2015 #14

'Astronomically' is a big word in terms of meaning. randome Apr 2015 #18

Yeah, tell me how we've benefited by NAFTA? lark Apr 2015 #21

Obama described the TPP as a 're-write' of NAFTA to address those concerns. randome Apr 2015 #24

Described? lark Apr 2015 #25

Exactly. If Congress doesn't like some portion, they just say No, and Obama either Hoyt Apr 2015 #28

True ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #32

I'm really surprised people aren't getting this. It's really depressing and doesn't bode well for Hoyt Apr 2015 #33

Your right ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #36

The Republican party is in favor of universal wage floors, universal working condition protections, Fumesucker Apr 2015 #38

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #39

Yes, and you've "decided" to support the same treaty that Republicans and Corporations support LondonReign2 Apr 2015 #43

Where have I said anything approaching, "I support the TPP"? ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #45

It's going to be like owning a patent Fumesucker Apr 2015 #48

Who said I favored the TPP? 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #49

AFL-CIO: "TPP Job Claims Earn 4 Pinocchios!" : Faryn Balyncd Apr 2015 #41

Question ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #44

When the track record is that of "trade" agreements not delivering on their promises, Faryn Balyncd Apr 2015 #50

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #51

when will it be "released to the public for approval"? and how does "the public" go about ND-Dem Apr 2015 #29

The same way we approve or disapprove of anything -through our representatives. randome Apr 2015 #52

i see: when it comes to an up or down vote, that's the first we'll here of this thousands ND-Dem Apr 2015 #65

To Piss on the People. TPP.n/t jtuck004 Apr 2015 #6

It's definitely not a traditional "Toilet Paper Party" cascadiance Apr 2015 #9

There is no real trade reason for Obama to be pushing this ghastly deal fasttense Apr 2015 #13

"Who is he paying back with this?" MissDeeds Apr 2015 #15

That's what I want to know also. liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #17

Penny Pritzer? n/t dgibby Apr 2015 #37

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Apr 2015 #19

Well, at least we can dispense with the BS that the text won't be released to the public. Hoyt Apr 2015 #31

YOU said it...PLEASE post the document for us all to read then Omaha Steve Apr 2015 #54

The TPP document says the NEGOTIATING documents should not be declassified, of course they were. Hoyt Apr 2015 #55

From the USTR Omaha Steve Apr 2015 #59

Huh? Omaha Steve Apr 2015 #57

No offense, but the naysayers are only mostly convincing Babel_17 Apr 2015 #63

K&R n/t OhioChick Apr 2015 #66

K&R woo me with science Apr 2015 #68