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In reply to the discussion: Fast Track Bill Would Legitimize White House Secrecy and Clear the Way for Anti-User Trade Deals [View all]Hoyt
(54,770 posts)55. The TPP document says the NEGOTIATING documents should not be declassified, of course they were.
The negotiating documents include comments by the countries about what they have to have, what they might be willing to give up, various instances of whining, etc.
The 4 years does not apply to any FINAL document that might be endorsed by Obama.
You can search for these negotiating documents easily, type in things like "TPP investment dispute chapter," TPP Intellectual Property Chapter, TPP patent Chapter, etc.
It's all there.
You can also go to the USTR site and read the goals and advisory committee listings, that include almost every major union and environmental organizations.
I would also suggest looking for articles by normally liberal writers like Ezra Klein and Jeff Spross. There's a good interview where Obama lays out his objectives to matt yglesias.
Here's a recent article where Democratic Congress members who support the TPP (in principle) are discussed, along with opposition -- http://www.politico.com/story/2015/04/democrats-free-trade-bill-117066.html
Here's one that discusses the modification a Congressional committee is suggesting to so-called Fast-Track authority -- http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/17/business/obama-trade-legislation-fast-track-authority-trans-pacific-partnership.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
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Fast Track Bill Would Legitimize White House Secrecy and Clear the Way for Anti-User Trade Deals [View all]
Faryn Balyncd
Apr 2015
OP
I just wish the defenders would choose between "this is good for American workers" and
djean111
Apr 2015
#3
They sure do seem to vacillate between those two memes a lot, don't they?
Populist_Prole
Apr 2015
#26
it's the same group that insists, "Hillary is really liberal", and "of course she's not
Doctor_J
Apr 2015
#67
It's trying to put in place many ways to bypass what our founders had intended for passing treaties
cascadiance
Apr 2015
#8
W Post: Trans-Pacific Partnership treaty will help neither workers nor consumers
Omaha Steve
Apr 2015
#47
The negotiations are secret for the same reason the Iran nuclear deal was secret.
randome
Apr 2015
#20
Exactly. If we had told the other 11 parties to the TPP negotiations that our Congress
Hoyt
Apr 2015
#34
I think you are confused. More Republicans than Democrats are supporting Obama pushing the TPP...
cascadiance
Apr 2015
#61
Exactly. If Congress doesn't like some portion, they just say No, and Obama either
Hoyt
Apr 2015
#28
I'm really surprised people aren't getting this. It's really depressing and doesn't bode well for
Hoyt
Apr 2015
#33
The Republican party is in favor of universal wage floors, universal working condition protections,
Fumesucker
Apr 2015
#38
Yes, and you've "decided" to support the same treaty that Republicans and Corporations support
LondonReign2
Apr 2015
#43
When the track record is that of "trade" agreements not delivering on their promises,
Faryn Balyncd
Apr 2015
#50
when will it be "released to the public for approval"? and how does "the public" go about
ND-Dem
Apr 2015
#29
The same way we approve or disapprove of anything -through our representatives.
randome
Apr 2015
#52
i see: when it comes to an up or down vote, that's the first we'll here of this thousands
ND-Dem
Apr 2015
#65
Well, at least we can dispense with the BS that the text won't be released to the public.
Hoyt
Apr 2015
#31